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FactsAreUseless posted:Universities are garbage. I agree.
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DACK FAYDEN posted:Isn't that the whole "7% less for Hillary in districts that used electronic machines" thing NYMag was writing about? I didn't ever see their data so I'm skeptical but they certainly made a lot of noise. That metric is essentially garbage because districts that use paper tend to be cities, which is already where Hillary was strongest. Here in Virginia urban areas almost universally saw the problems with electronic machines, went "whoa poo poo let's not," and went back to scantrons. Suburbs and rural counties, on the other hand, went full speed ahead with the cyberfuture. e: accidentally a word to make things more clear to people whose states aren't insane
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Nov 24, 2016 00:33
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Fojar38 posted:This bargaining stage (it must have been rigged! There must have been massive voter fraud!), combined with the hyperbolic declarations of the imminent descent of the USA into dictatorship and the eventual extinction of the human race and that the Democrats are traitors for not being ideologically pure enough to literally cordon off capital hill to stop the GOP from governing is virtually identical to the reaction from the right in 2008. Except Obama wasn't running on a platform of throwing Christian gunowners into FEMA camps, funding Islamist camps in Mexico or undermining American sovereignty to the UN, like the Right accused him of, but Trump did campaign to deport immigrants en masse, build a border wall, turn black communities into police states "for their own good", etc.
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Nov 24, 2016 00:35
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Quorum posted:That metric is essentially garbage because districts that use paper tend to be cities, which is already where Hillary was strongest. Here in Virginia urban areas almost universally saw the problems with electronic machines, went "whoa poo poo let's not," and went back to scantrons. Suburbs and counties, on the other hand, went full speed ahead with the cyberfuture. Then again, if I was Hillary's campaign I would have started prepping to file for a recount literally the instant the election was called. It's so drat close in WI/MI/PA and the payoff for winning the goddamn Presidency is so high that it's got to be favorable from a strict expected value standpoint.
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Nov 24, 2016 00:35
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So considering this is the Trump timeline, what are the odds that the Green Parties investigation ends up showing the machine being tampered with to throw the election to the democrats, and this is why they are all trying to be hush hush about it?
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Nov 24, 2016 00:42
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Chaos Personified posted:So considering this is the Trump timeline, what are the odds that the Green Parties investigation ends up showing the machine being tampered with to throw the election to the democrats, and this is why they are all trying to be hush hush about it? There will be significant evidence that the election might have been stolen, but Republicans will shut it down and nothing will happen.
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Nov 24, 2016 00:43
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Chaos Personified posted:So considering this is the Trump timeline, what are the odds that the Green Parties investigation ends up showing the machine being tampered with to throw the election to the democrats, and this is why they are all trying to be hush hush about it? 1%
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Nov 24, 2016 00:43
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Nov 24, 2016 00:44
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that's the odds of trump winning the election so i'm feeling lucky!
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Nov 24, 2016 00:44
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DACK FAYDEN posted:Isn't that the whole "7% less for Hillary in districts that used electronic machines" thing NYMag was writing about? I didn't ever see their data so I'm skeptical but they certainly made a lot of noise. Yeah that argument is garbage and gets pulled out every time an election happens. It invariably ends up being that paper vs. electronic only is correlated with some other, actually causal variables. This is the somewhat more convincing argument: https://medium.com/@jhalderm/want-to-know-if-the-election-was-hacked-look-at-the-ballots-c61a6113b0ba#.r40lm8ac9, basically that with the Russians loving around in our electoral process so much we should use the paper verification to be as sure as we can be that they didn't meddle with the vote counts and to get in the habit of auditing.
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Nov 24, 2016 00:48
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Paradoxish posted:Do humanities programs actually teach the kind of soft skills that you're talking about, though? I don't actually disagree with you about the value of those skills or about the value of a humanities education in general, but I'm also not sure that there's much overlap between a traditional humanities program and the kind of interpersonal workplace skills that you're talking about. yeah, totally! if we take the most classical definition of the humanities - the study of human culture and behavior - you spend a ton of time talking about your subjective opinion on things and basically negotiating with people. group projects in stem tend to be a collective exercise to determine an optimal answer, not one where the is no optimal answer and compromise and negotiation are useful tools Xae posted:Are we really going to go off on a huge STEM/Non-STEM circle jerk? its not really a circle jerk, there's one guy with bad opinions being dogpiled
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Nov 24, 2016 00:48
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also btw i have humanities degrees and i work at a software company managing a team of engineers with stem degrees, so, lol its way easier to teach yourself how to code than it is to teach yourself how to locate useful information and synthesize arguments
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Nov 24, 2016 00:51
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boner confessor posted:also btw i have humanities degrees and i work at a software company managing a team of engineers with stem degrees, so, lol yeah the bad poo poo coming from STEM people is mostly because it's the current "make money" fad degree those people would be lawyers if it was 40 years ago
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Nov 24, 2016 00:54
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FAUXTON posted:Not enough though, and certainly not enough in upper level work. Team boatbuilding projects in the intro to engineering class isn't going to cut it when an engineer gets out and starts poo poo-talking architects and draftsmen and designers over aesthetics because it'd be more practical their way. It probably varies a bit, but a lot of my upper level work was capstone project stuff that was industry oriented. That said, I think the problem you're talking about has more to do with engineering students than it does the coursework. There's a limit to how much you can cram into four or five years of work, and my experience was that a lot of engineering students were just the kind of people who wanted to be right and felt that their education was some kind of trump card in that respect. I don't know how you solve that, but I don't think it's an issue with the degree programs themselves.
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Nov 24, 2016 00:56
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Paradoxish posted:It probably varies a bit, but a lot of my upper level work was capstone project stuff that was industry oriented. That said, I think the problem you're talking about has more to do with engineering students than it does the coursework. There's a limit to how much you can cram into four or five years of work, and my experience was that a lot of engineering students were just the kind of people who wanted to be right and felt that their education was some kind of trump card in that respect. I don't know how you solve that, but I don't think it's an issue with the degree programs themselves. oh no, the programs themselves recognize that turning out highly specialized turbonerds is not good either for the students or the program's post-graduation employment numbers. the problem is that stem programs tend to attract, as you said, objective thinkers who have a certain perspective of the world which is very logical, linear, and overly dismissive of things that aren't easily categorized
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Nov 24, 2016 01:00
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Fojar38 posted:Actual 1% or Pollster 1%? That's 1% on the NowCast, we're looking at .7% on the PollsPlus.
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Nov 24, 2016 01:02
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Nov 24, 2016 01:06
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trump and intelligence just don't mix
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Nov 24, 2016 01:07
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Fojar38 posted:This bargaining stage (it must have been rigged! There must have been massive voter fraud!), combined with the hyperbolic declarations of the imminent descent of the USA into dictatorship and the eventual extinction of the human race and that the Democrats are traitors for not being ideologically pure enough to literally cordon off capital hill to stop the GOP from governing is virtually identical to the reaction from the right in 2008. Hopefully it does.But if the right tries to rig the place like North Carolina, the left should consider that 1861 or 1793 are on the table for the time when it gets back on power. Because then FEMA camps will be a solution to the right.
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Nov 24, 2016 01:08
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I know it is somewhat uncharted waters here but generally speaking if there was some kind of tampering with the elections (any elections really), and especially if it is thought to be done by a foreign agency, wouldn't the FBI or CIA or anyone in national security investigate it? I mean it seems like that if such a serious allegation is made and the securities agencies don't seem to care it probably should mean that there is nothing there, right?
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Nov 24, 2016 01:09
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You guys may have already discussed it, but that poo poo that's happening in North Dakota is disgusting. A peacefully protesting woman's arm gets blown off, but the inbred members of Y'allqaeda get off without a scratch. This is everything that's hosed up about this election.
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Nov 24, 2016 01:13
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Mr Interweb posted:You guys may have already discussed it, but that poo poo that's happening in North Dakota is disgusting. A peacefully protesting woman's arm gets blown off, but the inbred members of Y'allqaeda get off without a scratch. This is everything that's hosed up about this election. And our media can't be bothered to care. We need to do something, that orange bastard and his cronies are already destroying the nation months before he takes office.
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Nov 24, 2016 01:15
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So he just doesn't want to do the work?
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Nov 24, 2016 01:15
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At some point, Republicans screw around with elections too much and the entire government becomes illegitimate from a small-d democratic standpoint
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Nov 24, 2016 01:15
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Looks like Trump forgot what happens when a president does not take intelligence briefing
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Nov 24, 2016 01:18
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:So he just doesn't want to do the work? Were you expecting otherwise? He got the title, now its time to play golf most of his presidency.
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Nov 24, 2016 01:20
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:At some point, Republicans screw around with elections too much and the entire government becomes illegitimate from a small-d democratic standpoint somewhere Pat McCrory just broke out in a cold sweat and doesn't know why
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Nov 24, 2016 01:22
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Jill Stein's totally-not-a-scam recount kickstarter has raised $818,000 in 6 hours 
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Nov 24, 2016 01:23
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Madkal posted:FBI? Supposedly the FBI is full of Trump-supporters so good luck. After parlaying various jobs I've held since graduating with a degree in economics in 2011, this year I managed to become a professional dev and among my immediate teammates are a geology major, a math major, someone with no degree whatsoever, and yes and some CS majors too. And we all do a good job. I sure as poo poo am glad I didn't even consider majoring in CS. I probably would have ended up on my current career track much sooner which would translate into missed earnings of hundreds of thousands of dollars or whatever but I didn't have to get immersed in undergrad CS culture for four years straight. Also my degree taught me how hard to roll my eyes at lovely applications of misunderstood macroeconomic theory, and that, my friends, is priceless.
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Nov 24, 2016 01:23
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Never tell Trump the odds. When America says "I love you," he says "I know."
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Nov 24, 2016 01:23
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Samurai Sanders posted:A "circle jerk" would suggest that we all agree with each other about this and that is usually not the case, so the circle is broken and someone isn't gonna get jerked. Broken circle jerk is the best description of DnD I've ever heard.
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Nov 24, 2016 01:23
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HannibalBarca posted:Jill Stein's totally-not-a-scam recount kickstarter has raised $818,000 in 6 hours it's already up another 20k edit: it's up another 30k since i made this post Condiv fucked around with this message at 01:32 on Nov 24, 2016 |
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Nov 24, 2016 01:27
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FactsAreUseless posted:5. As mentioned in 3: there is no way for students to effectively pick a good school. The majority of students get funneled into one school or another because they get a scholarship there, or it's close to home, or in-state tuition is cheaper. If and when it turns out those schools are terrible, students can do poo poo. First, how would they know? Every college prep guide and list and article measures the success of schools based on things like exclusivity (an artificially-inflated joke measurement) and graduation rates, and maybe post-college job placement. And if you don't realize that post-college job placement has more to do with your economic status and connections than your education, well, good, because that's what these universities want. And once students are in, they're in. You can't get your money back. You can transfer to another school, maybe, but that's difficult and expensive. Still feeling this one three years in. My college visits and stuff just resulted in a list of schools that all seemed pretty good I guess maybe with one giving me tuition and no real idea if the others would be significantly more or less helpful.
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Nov 24, 2016 01:33
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at the rate they're receiving donations they'll have raised an additional $5.76 million in 24 hours edit: up another 10k since my last post
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Nov 24, 2016 01:33
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Kickstarter curves are usually logarithmic so it's going to fall off but likely make the goal.
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Nov 24, 2016 01:35
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Urgh what Id do to route all that money into the ACLU or PP
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Nov 24, 2016 01:36
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Urgh what Id do to route all that money into the ACLU or PP I was gonna say something like "if only they had donated it to the Clinton campaign", but then I realized that Robby Mook would have set it on fire airing extra TV ads in Houston or something. edit: lol speaking of which https://twitter.com/Nate_Cohn/status/801585489178460160
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Nov 24, 2016 01:37
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DACK FAYDEN posted:Yeah, I edited something in while you wrote this - long story short, I'm not convinced. WI, MI, and PA were all close 27,257 (1%) and 11,612 (0.3%) and 68,236 (1.2%) respectively. She needed all three though and the margins are big enough that without serious shenanigans a recount wasn't going to matter.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Urgh what Id do to route all that money into the ACLU or PP This is something that bothers me and I'm curious about. ACLU helps fights for people's rights partially through the courts; they sue the government to get better rights for the people who they're either defending or prosecuting for. While this is reasonable and makes sense in a democracy as a way to effect change, if Trump stacks the Supreme Court AND the Federal Courts (Which he will because Obama wasn't allowed to appoint Federal judges), any judge who ends up hearing a case will just strike it down no matter how high it gets. While I appreciate the context behind the ACLU how much is there really to be gained by trying to use legal action to change the government when it's going to be filled with people who would hear Rick Synder go 'people don't have a fundamental right to read' and go 'Actually he's right.'? I'm not a legal scholar so I don't get that part.
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