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Bomb(s) was probably irrelevant given it was still running flight ops days later, but you're right that the torpedo hit may have caused complications. For instance, if it opened up a fuel storage area, combined with the fleet losing those 2 oilers(probably the only two in the fleet), and you have a carrier that's going to be running out of oil fast with no way to replenish it. Not something that would show up right away, but would still doom the ship several days later if they can't effect another solution. Alternatively, it ran into some sort of weather that tore the torpedo hole open again.
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Night10194 posted:Enterprise got torpedoed and took at least one bomb. Sweet, missed that. Congrats Grey if so - three Allied carriers out then!
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There weren't reports of heavy damage, though. Fog of war means we have no idea how the wounded CVs did, especially with USN damage control.
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Damage from a torp + systems damage from limping from hex to hex with zero fuel is enough to sink a carrier. In theory anyway. i81icu812 fucked around with this message at 07:36 on Nov 25, 2016 |
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Yeah, this one is deep in the fog of war - I'm just assuming that some Intel guy was reading the published allied casualty list.
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But isn't the big e worth more points than 179? (Shush brklynbruiser might hear)
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bunnyofdoom posted:But isn't the big e worth more points than 179? 349
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Is there any way it could have lost its air group without itself sinking (i.e. does the game model tossing the planes overboard for whatever emergency reason)?
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There is one more clue that something unexpected happened: the Allied Ships Lost counter increased by one. Perhaps Grey managed to sink a ship that isn't in the update, or perhaps it's the Enterprise. When do you get the points, anyway - when the ship is claimed sunk or confirmed sunk?
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Milt Thompson posted:There is one more clue that something unexpected happened: the Allied Ships Lost counter increased by one. Perhaps Grey managed to sink a ship that isn't in the update, or perhaps it's the Enterprise. You get the points when the ship sinks, regardless of confirmation.
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Nov 25, 2016 14:39
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maybe just a storm, or major accident
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Tiler Kiwi posted:maybe just a storm, or major accident Or it could be that a ship full of planes sunk. I don't think you can load that many planes into a single ship.
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Grey Hunter posted:Or it could be that a ship full of planes sunk. What if you sunk two ships then? I'm going to hope that a carrier dumped all its planes and will sink this or next turn.
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It's possible Grey got full points for the Enterprise, but lost some base points somewhere, since the game seems to randomly change base point values at various dates. He did hit a lot of cargo ships the lasf week, though, so two or three of them going down with cargos of planes could happen too.
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Are any cargo ships more efficient plane haulers than escort carriers? I imagine it's a volume thing rather than mass.
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Fuel, too. And I dont think you can put non-carrier planes onto a carrier.
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Leperflesh posted:Fuel, too. And I dont think you can put non-carrier planes onto a carrier. There are carrier capable squadrons that you can load onto a carrier at a port and they can take off from a carrier, but they aren't carrier trained so they take like 90% operational losses if you ask them to land on a carrier. Lots of Marine squadrons are in this category.
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Another advantage of transporting aircraft on a carrier is they are ready to fly at the destination. If you use a cargo ship they have to be reassembled over several days at their destination.
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gohuskies posted:There are carrier capable squadrons that you can load onto a carrier at a port and they can take off from a carrier, but they aren't carrier trained so they take like 90% operational losses if you ask them to land on a carrier. Lots of Marine squadrons are in this category. Yeah, they have trouble navigating when they can't follow the railroad tracks home.
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gohuskies posted:There are carrier capable squadrons that you can load onto a carrier at a port and they can take off from a carrier, but they aren't carrier trained so they take like 90% operational losses if you ask them to land on a carrier. Lots of Marine squadrons are in this category. Cool that it models that; landing on a carrier was indeed a bitch. 
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And still is.
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goatface posted:And still is.
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pthighs posted:Another advantage of transporting aircraft on a carrier is they are ready to fly at the destination. If you use a cargo ship they have to be reassembled over several days at their destination. On the other hand, crated airframes are pretty cube efficient.
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:On the other hand, crated airframes are pretty cube efficient. Is it time to post the p-47 unboxing video again?
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That's a silly question. Always  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2D3k0sJ8HM I assume?
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Yes, it's like a lava lamp.
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   We take out another oiler.  We also make several unsuccessful attack runs here.  They have a lot of oilers in the area.   Another quiet day.  We do get a new carrier though, making good our losses. Ha. Ha. Is good joke.
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25 November 1942 German minesweeper M 101, sunk in collision with SS Levante off Norway.
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RIP Neosho, at least you lasted longer than in real life. Unfortunately misidentified as a carrier(!) and getting a whole Japanese aerial strike force vectored onto her :/
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Why does that carrier only carry 18 torpedoes? It seems like a pathetically limited number, given the size of the ship.
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Leperflesh posted:Why does that carrier only carry 18 torpedoes? It seems like a pathetically limited number, given the size of the ship. It's a pretty small carrier, and barely has the speed and deck length to launch a small number of torpedo bombers parked as far back as possible. Most likely wouldn't have anywhere near 18 torpedo bombers onboard aside from ferrying duties; maybe 6 or 9 would be onboard for combat duties. It also might not have had the magazine space to hold more torpedoes.
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Also Japaneses torpedoes are liquid oxygen powered. How many do you want lying around?
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Cartoon posted:Also Japaneses torpedoes are liquid oxygen powered. How many do you want lying around? As if the Japanese ever cared about that!
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It's a very slow CVL.
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Grey commissioned Ryuho as a carrier 5 days before it was in real life. I wonder how Grey is doing with Industry.
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   One of our subs takes some hits at Pearl after missing its destroyer target.  The Betties get a tanker hit.  The Nell's get their own.   We continue to hammer away in China.  Enemy attacks at Chunking are getting more regular, but no less futile.  We hit a couple more ships and killed some more Chinese. A normal day.
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273 squads dead, another 250 disabled. That is a lot of half empty units they're recycling.
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Did I read that right, and our troops in Chungking are no longer out of supply?
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Dreamsicle posted:Grey commissioned Ryuho as a carrier 5 days before it was in real life. I wonder how Grey is doing with Industry. Maybe she just wasn't bombed by Doolittle in this timeline. Said additional repairs had to have taken a few days.
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