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and again, reports of no poverty or hunger in cuba come from that well-known commie propaganda outlet, the united nations
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Cuba might have successfully educated and fed its populace and have s better infant mortality rate than the us while under embargo but have you considered that they were really mean to reactionaries???
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Cuba is an interesting case: Are personal freedoms more important than the material well being of the people? There is no clear answer.
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Fiction posted:Cuba might have successfully educated and fed its populace and have s better infant mortality rate than the us while under embargo but have you considered that they were really mean to reactionaries??? And they ration to feed every child. Monsters.
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I can't imagine why Cuba would be worried about reactionaries. I mean look at the history of South and Central America and I can't see anything that would give them pause.
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Fidel Cuckstro
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DoctorGonzo posted:Cuba is an interesting case: Are personal freedoms more important than the material well being of the people? There is no clear answer. The personal freedom to support a politics of abandonment and neglect as represented in the Republican and Democratic parties aren't as important as food security, public healthcare, etc. imo. Fiction posted:Cuba might have successfully educated and fed its populace and have s better infant mortality rate than the us while under embargo but have you considered that they were really mean to reactionaries??? Cuba also has a superior emergency response system, and regularly faces down powerful hurricanes with minimal loss of life despite being the most populated country in the Caribbean. They're more prepared to deal with climate change than we are. Pener Kropoopkin has issued a correction as of 19:39 on Nov 26, 2016 |
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:The personal freedom to support a politics of abandonment and neglect as represented in the Republican and Democratic parties aren't as important as food security, public healthcare, etc. imo. Its not just the USA my friend. Your revolution was more about freedom, except for slaves, than material things. Batistas Cuba was a backwards country and Batista himself was a dictator.
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Baloogan posted:Fidel Cuckstro Change my name to this, thank you.
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its weird to see people who never lived in cuba respect him as a figurehead of some sort just because of an ideology an old man is dead, good bc death is certain...
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Nov 26, 2016 19:48
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Lastgirl posted:its weird to see people who never lived in cuba respect him as a figurehead of some sort just because of an ideology
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Nov 26, 2016 19:49
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As a chilean Fidel Castro is an inspiration. You americans wouldnt understand. gently caress Nixon and that bastard Kissinger, i hope they rot in hell.
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Nov 26, 2016 19:51
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it's me, I'm the idiot Marxist who says Fidel's purges were justified because the country ended up having a good health system and no hunger, but shits on western countries that did the same earlier in history but ended up as nice countries to live in
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Nov 26, 2016 19:52
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Bulgogi Hoagie posted:it's me, I'm the idiot
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Homework Explainer posted:and again, reports of no poverty or hunger in cuba come from that well-known commie propaganda outlet, the united nations your posts are dull can you like post some castro gifs or w/e and shake things up a bit thanks in advance
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Bulgogi Hoagie posted:it's me, I'm the idiot Marxist who says Fidel's purges were justified because the country ended up having a good health system and no hunger, but shits on western countries that did the same earlier in history but ended up as nice countries to live in Western countries that had centuries head start to create wealth, industrialisation with slave labor, and now these economies literally rely on third world sweatshops, coercing less fortunate countries for resources and domestic speculative working class debt. At the same time we never solved the problems of hunger, education, healthcare or homelessness in the west, at all, ever. There also are elections in Cuba, representative and direct Democracy is a big deal there that has much higher participation than the US does. So idk, It's not literally tropico like some goons seem to accept as common knowledge.
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Fidel Castro overthrew the US-backed Batista regime in 1958 🤔
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zegermans posted:People using dinghies to travel the high seas to get to Florida always said more about the mental stability of reactionary refugees than of the supposed oppression of the Castro government. they couldn't take all the winning
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Nov 26, 2016 20:19
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DoctorGonzo posted:Its not just the USA my friend. Your revolution was more about freedom, except for slaves, than material things. Batistas Cuba was a backwards country and Batista himself was a dictator. unlike fidel castro who was
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Homework Explainer posted:and again, reports of no poverty or hunger in cuba come from that well-known commie propaganda outlet, the united nations you know it's possible to accept the good that castro did without defending the torture and execution of people who just said the wrong thing, or were slightly different communists right? like, dude's government did some terrible things, but yeah, the agricultural reforms, and particularly what they did after the soviets died are worthy of praise.
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Deimus posted:Western countries that had centuries head start to create wealth, industrialisation with slave labor, and now these economies literally rely on third world sweatshops, coercing less fortunate countries for resources and domestic speculative working class debt. At the same time we never solved the problems of hunger, education, healthcare or homelessness in the west, at all, ever. the Soviet Union had elections too yeah good stuff of course Cuba needed the purges to compete with the evil west, I see and yeah, the countries where the sweatshops are have absolutely no agency of their own. nope, they are this way because of the evil west. South Korea and Japan? what are these places?
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Bulgogi Hoagie posted:the Soviet Union had elections too yeah good stuff sir are you implying that communism was often just the same poo poo under a different label 
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Bulgogi Hoagie posted:South Korea and Japan? what are these places? These two countries literally were US imposed military dictatorships.
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Nov 26, 2016 20:28
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The Cold War ran on pharmaceuticals and blow jobs.
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DoctorGonzo posted:Cuba is an interesting case: Are personal freedoms more important than the material well being of the people? There is no clear answer. There would be no personal freedoms either way, due to US foreign policy. I'm sure all the farmers the contras murdered had their lost thoughts be "at least... I can open a business..."
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Yinlock posted:sir are you implying that communism was often just the same poo poo under a different label except much bloodier in nearly every case
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I heard Mao hosed a lot.
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zen death robot posted:Homework Explainer lost his humor chip a while back Just blow on the cartridge dude
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Ice Cream Barbara posted:Just blow on the cartridge dude surprise, that's his exact fetish another victory for the people
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Deimus posted:Western countries that had centuries head start to create wealth, industrialisation with slave labor, and now these economies literally rely on third world sweatshops, coercing less fortunate countries for resources and domestic speculative working class debt. At the same time we never solved the problems of hunger, education, healthcare or homelessness in the west, at all, ever. lol jesus christ 'there also are elections in cuba so it's democratic' was said itt unironically.
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Tatum Girlparts posted:lol jesus christ 'there also are elections in cuba so it's democratic' was said itt unironically. here have a thing you won't read https://www.scribd.com/document/332358714/Work-and-Democracy-in-Socialist-Cuba
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Homework Explainer posted:here have a thing you won't read you should move to Cuba rn because it's clearly much superior to the US and Europe
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Bulgogi Hoagie posted:you should move to Cuba rn because it's clearly much superior to the US and Europe i love that liberals or "leftists" or whatever have suddenly discovered "love it or leave it" after getting that treatment nonstop in the bush years
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Nov 26, 2016 20:58
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Homework Explainer posted:here have a thing you won't read it's a one party state my dude
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those anti-castro celebrations was just a Trump street rally apparently
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Homework Explainer posted:i love that liberals or "leftists" or whatever have suddenly discovered "love it or leave it" after getting that treatment nonstop in the bush years i love how you've moved from "neoliberal" to just "liberal" and now it's encroaching on "anyone who isn't my specific idea of Left" as The Enemy
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The only left that should be pursued is American style left. Latin America is bonkers quite frankly.
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Yinlock posted:i love how you've moved from "neoliberal" to just "liberal" and now it's encroaching on "anyone who isn't my specific idea of Left" as The Enemy i dunno how that guy identifies so i was casting a wide net
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