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Friendly Humour posted:Could the Gulf states maybe carry some of the burden? Maybe as Zakat? cheers! Lmao no. If there's one thing the Gulf States hate more than women it's poor people.
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Grouchio posted:Now that Erdogan's threatening to release the migrant hordes on Greece and Europe perhaps the EU could kindly tell him to gently caress off? Please don't refer to war refugees as "hordes".
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Darkman Fanpage posted:Lmao no. If there's one thing the Gulf States hate more than women it's poor people. You'd think that the whole "islamic fundamentalism" outlook would extend to, you know the fundamentals of islam... But no, apparently that's optional.
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Darkman Fanpage posted:Please don't refer to war refugees as "hordes". They dont necessary have to be war refugees, most likely not at all, since most migrants arnt from syria Syria counts for 14% i think of the migrants
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Don't refer to human beings as hordes then, jesus christ.
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Darkman Fanpage posted:Don't refer to human beings as hordes then, jesus christ. What if they're Mongols?
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OhFunny posted:The Second Congo War is also called the Great War of Africa, Great African War, and the African World War. always thought The Levantine War had a nice ring to it, myself.
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steinrokkan posted:The next Turkish coup can't happen soon enough, what's the schedule, Brown Moses? There won't be one. The Turkish military is pretty much entirely Erdogan's, and has been since they had that purge of Kemalist officers years ago. The recent one was a really pathetic attempt by a few leftovers.
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Willie Tomg posted:always thought The Levantine War had a nice ring to it, myself. War of the Fertile Crescent.  The only peaceful area here is Jordan, and kinda mainland Egypt if we ignore the post-revolutionary violence there. Count Roland fucked around with this message at 21:20 on Nov 25, 2016 |
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A helpful map to explain what the hell is going on around Al Bab: Basically, Euphrates Shield is attempting an encirclement of Al Bab while also trying to push the SDF back on two fronts. They're leaving themselves super exposed to counterattacks by doing this, especially since they're bypassing Qabasin with an extremely long and thin salient. They're also running a serious risk of those salients getting cut off and having the forward forces isolated. E: In addition, note the location of the Syrian Army airstrike, right at the base of the salient. The SDF has done encircling attacks before, but they had coalition air power in support of them, and no opposing air-force. Euphrates Shield has to worry about the SAA attacking from the air, which makes those salients all the more precarious. Saladin Rising fucked around with this message at 22:12 on Nov 25, 2016 |
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Saladin Rising posted:A helpful map to explain what the hell is going on around Al Bab: It's not so bad, since the salients are facing two different enemies who are also fighting each other. I don't think I've heard of an encirclement of a third party by two mutually hostile parties. Pushing into Manjib is going to bite them in the rear end though, supposing they piss off the locals enough.
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Friendly Humour posted:You'd think that the whole "islamic fundamentalism" outlook would extend to, you know the fundamentals of islam... But no, apparently that's optional. Why would Islam fare better than Christianity wrt. helping the poor? Humans are humans.
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Cat Mattress posted:Why would Islam fare better than Christianity wrt. helping the poor? Humans are humans. Like seriously, not even Buddhism can avoid this trap.
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Uh charity is probably more prominent in Islam than Christianity, as I'm sure you all already knew.
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Bad week for US troops in Syria. https://twitter.com/metesohtaoglu/status/802578647446077440
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Sinteres posted:Bad week for US troops in Syria.  Was that just a lone suicide bomber?
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https://twitter.com/CivilWarMap/status/802492097882419200 Kurds are joining forces with Assad now. https://twitter.com/MustafaNajafi/status/802476236572196864 Iraqi Hezbolla and IRGC are now official parts of Iraqi army. https://twitter.com/CivilWarMap/status/802518959513706496 Turkish backed rebels are attacking Kurds
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Throatwarbler posted:https://twitter.com/CivilWarMap/status/802492097882419200 Of course they're joining Assad. The Turks back most of the opposition.
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Map of the situation in Mosul. https://twitter.com/sayed_ridha/status/802151072999428097
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Those green zones are extremely vulnerable. They aren't secure at all. Mosul city is going to take at least 3 months, maybe 6 months. It's slow going for the ISF special forces now. The response from Daesh has been constant SVBIEDs from already taken areas. Mosul isn't going to be easy, and the effect on morale is worrying. I think they'll either just start destroying any building that someone shoots from, or move the PMF in to blitzkrieg everything which would be apocalyptic. I don't see any other effective option right now.
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Throatwarbler posted:https://twitter.com/CivilWarMap/status/802492097882419200 If you're a Kurd you'd welcome the devil if he came knocking at this point. And he did.
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Friendly Humour posted:If you're a Kurd you'd welcome the devil if he came knocking at this point. And he did. What do you mean "at this point." Who in Syria has it better than Rojava?
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Volkerball posted:What do you mean "at this point." Who in Syria has it better than Rojava?
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Grouchio posted:Russia? As in actual people. Not military detachments.
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Volkerball posted:What do you mean "at this point." Who in Syria has it better than Rojava? The Kurds had it pretty bad for a while when ISIS was kicking their rear end and Turkey was at least tacitly assisting them in doing so. Yeah, the US helped them turn things around and establish a safe area, and that's when Turkey decided to invade. Turkey establishing red lines in a neighboring country which didn't apply to ISIS but do to Kurds gives the Kurds plenty of reason to resist that invasion.
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Volkerball posted:What do you mean "at this point." Who in Syria has it better than Rojava? Dude, Turkey is gearing up for a full scale invasion. Rojava is about to get royally hosed. So no, I'm not surprised they've chosen Assad over... Who exactly? Who else is there that'll do anything when Erdogan sends in the tanks? I sympathise, because it's the exact same situation that Finland was in 1942. Russia was going to annex Finland, the only people who're offering help are the Nazis who most people in the establishment already thought had a deal going with the Soviets wrt their policies during the Winter War, but what alternative was there? Once Turkey really gets busy with the Kurds, Americans are going to say bye bye and good luck, so what the gently caress are they supposed to do? They can't stand against Turkey on their own.
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Friendly Humour posted:Dude, Turkey is gearing up for a full scale invasion. Rojava is about to get royally hosed. So no, I'm not surprised they've chosen Assad over... Who exactly? Who else is there that'll do anything when Erdogan sends in the tanks? Yeah we'll see. As it stands, I'd wager more people have died at the hands of the regime than at the hands of Turkey in Qamishli and Hasakah, which is Rojava proper. Yet the PYD has been blowing Assad in between bouts of getting bombed by him since at least 2014 when they were on with the Ghouta truther bullshit. I don't sympathize with the PYD at all. Maybe if they hadn't crushed all political opposition to themselves, the power structures in Rojava wouldn't have found themselves on Turkeys poo poo list to begin with. The KRG never had this problem.
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Volkerball posted:I don't sympathize with the PYD at all. Maybe if they hadn't crushed all political opposition to themselves, the power structures in Rojava wouldn't have found themselves on Turkeys poo poo list to begin with. The KRG never had this problem. I think Erdogan provoking a war with the PKK in order to boost his popularity with nationalists before the second round of elections after the HDP did surprisingly well in the first round might have had something to do with it too. Turkey isn't in much of a position to preach about the need for maintaining space for a vibrant political opposition at this point either.
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Volkerball posted:Yeah we'll see. As it stands, I'd wager more people have died at the hands of the regime than at the hands of Turkey in Qamishli and Hasakah, which is Rojava proper. Yet the PYD has been blowing Assad in between bouts of getting bombed by him since at least 2014 when they were on with the Ghouta truther bullshit. I don't sympathize with the PYD at all. Maybe if they hadn't crushed all political opposition to themselves, the power structures in Rojava wouldn't have found themselves on Turkeys poo poo list to begin with. The KRG never had this problem. No doubt! As it was for 1942, it's a deal with the literal devil, and I'm sure everybody in Rojava is aware of that fact. I frankly doubt they have any sort of love for Assad at all, but they really are short of potential allies and always have been. What do you mean about PYD crushing political opposition though? Rojava would've found itself on Turkey's shitlist no matter what, so waxing limeric about it being their fault Turkey will do everything in its power to prevent the emergence of an independent Kurdistan is a bit rich considering everything that has happened. As for KRG not getting air striked, I think American alliance to them might actually have more to do with the fact than, ah... Allowing political opposition? In Iraqi Kurdistan? lmao... KRG doesn't interfere with Turkish air strikes against PKK, so there's that as well.
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Sinteres posted:Bad week for US troops in Syria. Hey just want to point out that this didn't happen. US has said nothing and YPG says no bombings today.
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fits my needs posted:Is Kurdish propaganda going to start shifting to a more Pro-Assad and Russian/communist solidarity bent? That would be an interesting pivot to see on Twitter and other media sources. Sinteres posted:Pretty sure they'll downplay the association for international consumption and still work to present themselves to the West as preferable to the alternatives. https://twitter.com/DefenseUnits/status/802551710455578625 quote:YPG’s international volunteers commemorate Fidel Castro in Rojava, northern Syria #FidelCasto #Cuba
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rear end struggle posted:Hey just want to point out that this didn't happen. US has said nothing and YPG says no bombings today. Speaking of which, Sinteres' promised us a new 100k strong veteran ninja milita army was reinforcing the siege of Aleppo a few months back. I guess they got lost or something because it still looks like a grinding siege...
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Friendly Humour posted:No doubt! As it was for 1942, it's a deal with the literal devil, and I'm sure everybody in Rojava is aware of that fact. I frankly doubt they have any sort of love for Assad at all, but they really are short of potential allies and always have been. On the other hand, I'm sure there's plenty of people in Rojava who haven't forgotten the Qamishli riots, or that the regime didn't recognize them as citizens, and arrested and tortured political dissidents and people who committed such grave crimes as wearing traditional Kurdish dress. You see them protest every now and again, but it's not like the PYD has any obligation to represent them. quote:What do you mean about PYD crushing political opposition though? They've forced opposition political parties to leave Rojava, they've banned news outlets from reporting within their territory on ideological grounds, smashed and burned poo poo on ethnic grounds, and refused to allow in refugees on ethnic and ideological grounds. Simply put, they have a long track record of ruling with an iron fist. quote:Rojava would've found itself on Turkey's shitlist no matter what, so waxing limeric about it being their fault Turkey will do everything in its power to prevent the emergence of an independent Kurdistan is a bit rich considering everything that has happened. As for KRG not getting air striked, I think American alliance to them might actually have more to do with the fact than, ah... Allowing political opposition? In Iraqi Kurdistan? lmao... KRG doesn't interfere with Turkish air strikes against PKK, so there's that as well. Oh word? The KRG is repressive? I had no idea. My point is that had the PYD allowed in political opposition, the government in Rojava would look different. And in looking different, it might not have been so objectionable to Turkey. That's fairly likely considering that in this hypothetical, you have a government that's got a sort of power sharing agreement with the PKK rather than "literally is the PKK." And the KRG and Turkey are outright allies. The KRG has consistently sided with Turkey on matters related to the PKK, although as diplomatically as they can. Keep in mind that when Sinjar and everything was going on, the PYD were trying to undermine the KRG and develop cantons inside Iraq, while simultaneously refusing any sort of KRG presence within Rojava. The PKK were also blowing up oil pipelines between the KRG and Turkey to sabotage the economic deals between the two. I don't think there's anyone familiar with relations between the KRG and Turkey who would tell you that if things continued to degrade in Iraq and the KRG became fully independent, that Turkey would go to war to prevent it. I doubt they would have any issues with it at all given Turkey's hostility towards the central government in Iraq. It's strictly a PKK phenomenon. They poo poo on everyone then act surprised when they have no allies except for the actor with a really stupid laser focus on the ISIS symptom. I know it's a really romantic idea to make out the PYD to be this Westernized leftist militia defending itself on all fronts from attacks against it on ethnic grounds, but it's not real. The dispute between Turkey and the PKK is political, not ethnic, and the PKK has done their fair share in feeding the flames. And their sectarian bigotry is up there with anyone else in creating the bad blood between them and the Arabs and Turks. Volkerball fucked around with this message at 15:43 on Nov 27, 2016 |
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Volkerball posted:They've forced opposition political parties to leave Rojava, they've banned news outlets from reporting within their territory on ideological grounds, smashed and burned poo poo on ethnic grounds, and refused to allow in refugees on ethnic and ideological grounds. Ah yes, the PYD that have been branded race traitors by KRG and the other nationalists because they let in too many non-kurds settle and have power in Rojava, are the real nazis now. You al qaeda fanboys are even more deluded and full of bullshit than the assad fanboys
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rear end struggle posted:Hey just want to point out that this didn't happen. US has said nothing and YPG says no bombings today. If it didn't happen, I'm happy to be wrong. Warbadger posted:Speaking of which, Sinteres' promised us a new 100k strong veteran ninja milita army was reinforcing the siege of Aleppo a few months back. I guess they got lost or something because it still looks like a grinding siege... I'm pretty sure you have me confused with someone else, but you picked a bad day to say that since the regime is advancing pretty steadily now.
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Volkerball posted:They've forced opposition political parties to leave Rojava, they've banned news outlets from reporting within their territory on ideological grounds, smashed and burned poo poo on ethnic grounds, and refused to allow in refugees on ethnic and ideological grounds. Simply put, they have a long track record of ruling with an iron fist. And even if any of this is true (note to readers: Volkerball is a lying hack who was proudly posting about the freely held anti-PYD protests going on in Rojava literally a single loving week ago) it's being done with far less intensity than by the ISIS and Al-Qaeda backed rebels you've somehow found yourself championing. If there's one good thing to come out of the Trump presidency it'll be that Saudi-dicksucking fucks like you will never find a home in our state department.
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Volkerball posted:I don't sympathize with the PYD at all. Maybe if they hadn't crushed all political opposition to themselves, the power structures in Rojava wouldn't have found themselves on Turkeys poo poo list to begin with. The KRG never had this problem. Yeah, except for that one little kerfuffle when Turkey invaded the KRG with Saddam's help.
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