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the black husserl posted:There's no secret cabal dude, I'm talking you suckers getting played constantly by the laziest trolls. Instead of talking about Trump's latest lurch into authoritarian hilarity we've got 100 posts about "is fear of muslims RATIONAL?" USPOL has become the bizarro world version of CNN having "Are Jews People?" as a headline.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:I'm not sure the concept of "criticizing Islam" is even coherent. There are too many different strains and sects and schools. Sunnis are not Shia are not (necessarily) Sufi. It's intellectual valid to criticize specific practices or interpretations sure, but what does a general criticism of "Islam" even mean? It's just an intellectually lazy generalization and like most such generalizations fundamentally wrongheaded. It's all pretty dumb and if it's inspiring people to become terrorists or bomb planned parenthoods or whatever then it's ok to give them a blanket negative opinion.
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FAUXTON posted:A) Exchanges and premium subsidies are probably out. They'll open up the exchanges and leave it up to the states to regulate the insurance requirements so then all the insurance companies will go to the state that has the minimum requirements and allow a surcharge or outright refusal of pre existing conditions. Or they'll use a disastrous high risk pool.
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Nov 29, 2016 03:55
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Wait, is Mass Health (and other state level programs) going to be hosed by this? Completely depends on the details. But... Abandon All Hope, etc, etc.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Wait, is Mass Health (and other state level programs) going to be hosed by this? If you rely on the subsidy, yes unless you can somehow convince the wasteland between boston and springfield to make up the tax difference
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Nov 29, 2016 03:56
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Wait, is Mass Health (and other state level programs) going to be hosed by this? Probably yeah because gently caress states rights unless it's about state oppression.
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Nov 29, 2016 03:57
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Guy Goodbody posted:On a lighter note, new hat! It's depressing that things like seeing 45 on the side make me realize just a little bit more how real and hosed this situation is.
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Nov 29, 2016 03:56
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Times like this make me thankful that I already have a Donald Trump contingency plan set up when things go south
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Guy Goodbody posted:How was Obama to the right of Clinton? The only big policy difference between them that I remember is Clinton supported a healthcare mandate and Obama didn't. Remember that there were people seriously arguing during the primary that Clinton was somehow to the "left" of Sanders, or at least more "left" on race (?), and even so they all agreed 93% of the time (that is, on bills that came before the leftist hotbed that is the US Senate they voted the same 93% of the time). Words have lost all meaning.
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HorseRenoir posted:Times like this make me thankful that I already have a Donald Trump contingency plan set up when things go south Same 
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Nov 29, 2016 03:58
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HorseRenoir posted:Times like this make me thankful that I already have a Donald Trump contingency plan set up when things go south Suicide is never the answer
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Nov 29, 2016 04:01
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Wait, is Mass Health (and other state level programs) going to be hosed by this? The state programs could get screwed when they let companies all move to Montana or wherever.
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Nov 29, 2016 04:01
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Guy Goodbody posted:Suicide is never the answer https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gO7uemm6Yo
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Nov 29, 2016 04:02
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foobardog posted:Remember that there were people seriously arguing during the primary that Clinton was somehow to the "left" of Sanders, or at least more "left" on race (?), and even so they all agreed 93% of the time (that is, on bills that came before the leftist hotbed that is the US Senate they voted the same 93% of the time). Well, Sanders is to the right of Clinton on guns.
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Nov 29, 2016 04:01
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It's been years but I've only just realized that I have no loving idea how my health insurance works. This bodes well.
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Nov 29, 2016 04:03
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Trabisnikof posted:Well, Sanders is to the right of Clinton on guns. Guns aren't inherently 'right' or 'left', they're guns. There's a reason armed left-wing groups have been targeted and taken out almost instantly throughout US history.
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Nov 29, 2016 04:05
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If there's one hope to the total privatization of the public health insurances, it's that it'll make some future version of the ACA much easier to implement. Create a public option that people can buy into. Private health insurance wouldn't be able to compete and will eventually die out. Bam, UHC.
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Nov 29, 2016 04:05
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HorseRenoir posted:Times like this make me thankful that I already have a Donald Trump contingency plan set up when things go south Hope it's "be white, have marketable job skill" else you're hosed.
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Nov 29, 2016 04:08
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Lumpy the Cook posted:Guns aren't inherently 'right' or 'left', they're guns. There's a reason armed left-wing groups have been targeted and taken out almost instantly throughout US history. Yes. This. Mind you I think it's important to still focus and include social issues like guns, race, gender, and sexuality in the party platform, because gently caress you if your class politics ignores identity and vice versa.
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Nov 29, 2016 04:09
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Bueno Papi posted:If there's one hope to the total privatization of the public health insurances, it's that it'll make some future version of the ACA much easier to implement. Create a public option that people can buy into. Private health insurance wouldn't be able to compete and will eventually die out. Bam, UHC. oh you sweet summer child
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Nov 29, 2016 04:10
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So is there anything stopping Obama from making a nationally televised speech on what the Republicans are doing and describing in detail exactly all the bad things that are going to happen as a result? Because it'll be nice to have that for posterity when all those bad things happen over the next couple years.
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Nov 29, 2016 04:11
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Bueno Papi posted:If there's one hope to the total privatization of the public health insurances, it's that it'll make some future version of the ACA much easier to implement. Create a public option that people can buy into. Private health insurance wouldn't be able to compete and will eventually die out. Bam, UHC. Hahahhahahahahahahaha no really are you delusional? People are going to die probably by the thousands.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:So is there anything stopping Obama from making a nationally televised speech on what the Republicans are doing and describing in detail exactly all the bad things that are going to happen as a result? Because it'll be nice to have that for posterity when all those bad things happen over the next couple years. Most likely the fact that Obama is a liberal buying the "come together and heal line". I mean good on him if he mimics Eisenhower's "Military-Industrial Complex" speech, but it doesn't seem like he's the guy who would do it. Don't get your hopes up for Biden, either.
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Nov 29, 2016 04:13
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https://tomprice.house.gov/HR2300 Here is what Price last proposed if you want some light reading
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Nov 29, 2016 04:14
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Wait, is Mass Health (and other state level programs) going to be hosed by this? They'd have to actively go out of their way to gently caress state programs that explicitly do their own thing and blathering fuckwits on the internet aside there is no sign they intend to do that.
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Bueno Papi posted:If there's one hope to the total privatization of the public health insurances, it's that it'll make some future version of the ACA much easier to implement. Create a public option that people can buy into. Private health insurance wouldn't be able to compete and will eventually die out. Bam, UHC. You've just reminded me that World AIDS Day is coming up.
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Nov 29, 2016 04:15
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:So is there anything stopping Obama from making a nationally televised speech on what the Republicans are doing and describing in detail exactly all the bad things that are going to happen as a result? Because it'll be nice to have that for posterity when all those bad things happen over the next couple years. Truth is in the middle bullshit with the gop going "no you!!" Followed by blaming anything bad on Obama.
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Nov 29, 2016 04:16
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I obviously don't know poo poo about health insurance. Will these changes cause things to be worse than they were before the ACA or will things just go back to the level of hosed that they were before?
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Nov 29, 2016 04:16
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foobardog posted:Yes. This. It is not actually important to focus on guns
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Nov 29, 2016 04:17
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:I obviously don't know poo poo about health insurance. Will these changes cause things to be worse than they were before the ACA or will things just go back to the level of hosed that they were before? Significantly worse.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:I obviously don't know poo poo about health insurance. Will these changes cause things to be worse than they were before the ACA or will they just go back to the level of hosed that they were before? Worse because of the cross-state-lines race to the bottom.
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Nov 29, 2016 04:17
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Mnoba posted:https://tomprice.house.gov/HR2300 Ah, HSAs. Because the problem was that poor people without insurance weren't saving enough of their vast amounts of wealth.
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Nov 29, 2016 04:17
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Most likely way that some form of gun control gets passed is after BLM or muslim groups arm themselves and form militias.
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Nov 29, 2016 04:18
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FAUXTON posted:Worse because of the cross-state-lines race to the bottom. ah good.
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Nov 29, 2016 04:18
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Guy Goodbody posted:It is not actually important to focus on guns Well, now that normalcy is out the window and it seems like Civil War 2 is closer than ever, yeah.
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Nov 29, 2016 04:19
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Mustached Demon posted:Hope it's "be white, have marketable job skill" else you're hosed. Not white or straight, but I have a well-paying job with good benefits lined up in a solid blue state for January, with the option to transfer out of the country in a few years if poo poo gets really bad. My main priorities for the next few years are staying employed and not being murdered by roving packs of Trump supporters.
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Nov 29, 2016 04:20
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Yeah conservative figures it at 4 million less people insured at pre Obama levels. Also continuation of coverage means that hope you enjoy your lovely job because you'll be trapped there
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Nov 29, 2016 04:21
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foobardog posted:Ah, HSAs. Because the problem was that poor people without insurance weren't saving enough of their vast amounts of wealth. Yeah you just have to look at voluntary retirement accounts like 401ks across income levels to see how hosed HSAs are.
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Cutrent anti-gun campaigns have been pretty pathetic. If you're not arming groups that frighten conservative white people then you're fighting a losing battle.
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