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Mustached Demon posted:Yeah you just have to look at voluntary retirement accounts like 401ks across income levels to see how hosed HSAs are. I remember sitting in a meeting when they were changing 401k plans, and realizing how pensions have been replaced with "give your money to the financial industry to gamble". Good times.
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Hollismason posted:They'll open up the exchanges and leave it up to the states to regulate the insurance requirements so then all the insurance companies will go to the state that has the minimum requirements and allow a surcharge or outright refusal of pre existing conditions. What prevents someone from just making a not lovely insurance company and scooping up their customers? Someone with trillions of dollars.
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foobardog posted:Well, now that normalcy is out the window and it seems like Civil War 2 is closer than ever, yeah. I don't think Civil War is actually very close
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foobardog posted:I remember sitting in a meeting when they were changing 401k plans, and realizing how pensions have been replaced with "give your money to the financial industry to gamble". Good times. Except pension plans are not viable in an age where people will be retired longer than they worked.
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Nov 29, 2016 04:28
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:So is there anything stopping Obama from making a nationally televised speech on what the Republicans are doing and describing in detail exactly all the bad things that are going to happen as a result? Because it'll be nice to have that for posterity when all those bad things happen over the next couple years. Obama wouldn't do that, he's a selfless person that wants to do what he can to help Trump not fail as President because that would mean the country fails. Although he should probably reconsider...
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Nevvy Z posted:What prevents someone from just making a not lovely insurance company and scooping up their customers? Perhaps some large organization that takes in funding from diverse sources and can provide insurance without the need for profit forcing them to nickel and dime the people they insure. If only such an organization existed. Guy Goodbody posted:I don't think Civil War is actually very close We'll see.
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Mustached Demon posted:Yeah you just have to look at voluntary retirement accounts like 401ks across income levels to see how hosed HSAs are. HSAs are hosed even as a concept. I mean, the same could be said about 401ks, too, since it's a law that basically allowed companies to get rid of pensions under the guise of "LOOK NOW U HAVE FREEEEEDOM 2 CHOOOOOOOOOOSE!!!!"
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Guy Goodbody posted:I don't think Civil War is actually very close these people are crazy
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cravius posted:Except pension plans are not viable in an age where people will be retired longer than they worked. oh, so now you're a full communism now guy? nice.
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Nov 29, 2016 04:32
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Xae posted:The problem with changing the ACA is that literally every part of it, other than the mandate, polls at absurd approval levels. Even the individual mandate is pretty popular. Popularity among the people overall has largely become irrelevant. If you look at the numbers America is already an oligarchy. The rich get what they want, the rest of us have to build it.
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Mnoba posted:https://tomprice.house.gov/HR2300 This is worse than described. It is the first step towards Medicare privatization as well. Reinstates Caps on coverage quote:Sec. 131. Limitation on Employer-Provided Health Care Coverage Pre-existing coverage is removed. A small grace period for any employer who stops providing insurance and switches people to the exchanges. quote:Those moving to the individual market will not experience limitations on pre-existing conditions. It is the only mention, so that drops the regulation meaning pre-existing coverage is hosed. No mention of life time caps. So those are back in. No mention of protection from being dropped when covered. Phone posted:HSAs are hosed even as a concept. I mean, the same could be said about 401ks, too, since it's a law that basically allowed companies to get rid of pensions under the guise of "LOOK NOW U HAVE FREEEEEDOM 2 CHOOOOOOOOOOSE!!!!" Google "Central State Pension Cuts". How much you want to count on the benevolence and good management of a company over 40 years for your retirement? gently caress pensions. At least with a 401(k) I'm the only guy who can gently caress it up.
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Can someone please point out the organized army and collection of independent-states-to-be that is going to fill the role of one of the belligerents in coming Civil War 2
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Fojar38 posted:Can someone please point out the organized army and collection of independent-states-to-be that is going to fill the role of one of the belligerents in coming Civil War 2 Neckbeards vs. Cucks
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Phone posted:oh, so now you're a full communism now guy? nice. If you're below 30 and want to retire in your lifetime the only alternatives are either financial independence or full communism so.... Maybe?
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Fojar38 posted:Can someone please point out the organized army and collection of independent-states-to-be that is going to fill the role of one of the belligerents in coming Civil War 2 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cascadia_(independence_movement)
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Fojar38 posted:Can someone please point out the organized army and collection of independent-states-to-be that is going to fill the role of one of the belligerents in coming Civil War 2 Oh, I'm sorry, I guess we'll have to wait for the actual nullification crisis to happen first. It'll be cool, guys!
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Nov 29, 2016 04:39
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You'd be better off just purchasing property taxes in property tax sales than putting it in a 401k. You may even be able to get a house out of it. It's not for the faint of heart though or people with empathy. TBQH.
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Fojar38 posted:Can someone please point out the organized army and collection of independent-states-to-be that is going to fill the role of one of the belligerents in coming Civil War 2 If there is a Civil War, and it ain't likely, it won't be 1861 Style. It will be 2006 Iraq style. Repeated and sustained sectarian killing with out clear battle lines.
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Nov 29, 2016 04:45
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Civil War 2 starts on the 3rd of March 2018, Save the Date.
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MiddleOne posted:If you're below 30 and want to retire in your lifetime the only alternatives are either financial independence or full communism so.... Maybe? I was quoting the guy who has been questioning if black people are actually being disenfranchised or not earlier today. He might not be as progressive as you'd think.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Civil War 2 starts on the 3rd of March 2018, Save the Date. What's the last date for picking sides?
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Xae posted:If there is a Civil War, and it ain't likely, it won't be 1861 Style. It will be 2006 Iraq style. Repeated and sustained sectarian killing with out clear battle lines. What will the belligerents fight with? Pamphlets? They've spent eight years railing against the second.
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Guy Goodbody posted:What's the last date for picking sides? You will be assigned to a side two weeks prior.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:You will be assigned to a side two weeks prior. Civil War 2 cube style?
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Blue Raider posted:these people are crazy Once they go beyond yelling at wage slaves about white persecution then I'll agree.
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Guys, I had a thought: We're in a post-fact society now, which means that people don't care about facts. Since people don't care about facts, the only thing they care about what 'team' (READ: party) they belong to. So, if people only care about what team they belong to and not about the facts, then what's stopping Democrats from just running as Republicans? It's not like anyone would ever know or care. It worked for Trump.
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Everyone should go read the President-Elect of the United States' Twitter feed. (the above would be a joke on its own but stay with me) He is retweeting literal 16 year olds who are arguing in favor of his "millions of fraudulent votes" lie.
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Lacrosse posted:Guys, I had a thought: Hillary basically ran as a Republican so this has already happened
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Quick Draw McGraw posted:Hillary basically ran as a Republican so this has already happened No she wasn't; she still had a D next to her name. I mean literally running as a Republican. People only seem to care about the little R or D next to someone's name so they might as well take advantage of it.
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A Tasteful Nude posted:Everyone should go read the President-Elect of the United States' Twitter feed. Can't wait for 15 year old kids to successfully troll @POTUS in 2017
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It would actually be funny if everyone just de registered as a Democrat and ran as a Republican.
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I'm also calling for the US to become a one party state, but that party is the Party for Socialism and Liberation!
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Nevvy Z posted:What prevents someone from just making a not lovely insurance company and scooping up their customers?
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Trabisnikof posted:Well, Sanders is to the right of Clinton on guns. Good, gets more voters.
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Washington Post story on Price as HHS pretty much confirmation at the death of ACA and well thousands of people really. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/powerpost/wp/2016/11/28/trump-to-name-rep-tom-price-as-next-hhs-secretary/
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So the Smokey Mountain National Park is super on fire right now. A very strange drought has caused a lot of the surrounding area to be susceptible to fires when I can't remember the last time one happened. And the area just overwhelmingly voted for the climate change denier.
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Hollismason posted:Washington Post story on Price as HHS pretty much confirmation at the death of ACA and well thousands of people really. Wonderful. At this point, I'm wondering if the GOP are just banking on Trump managing to kill people so quickly that there will be no one left to see how badly their incoherent plans have screwed the world over by the time their impacts come in full. Utterly destroying the country/world does seem to be their main goal these days.
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Oh and Texas has the whole you gotta cremate and bury fetal remains law that goes into effect in mid December. MERRY CHRISTMAS.
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comingafteryouall posted:So the Smokey Mountain National Park is super on fire right now. Trump voters are at suicide cult levels of willful delusion now. It doesn't matter what anyone else says, they will follow their Great Orange Hope into the maw of Hell so long as they can hold onto their preferred narrative on how the world must work while spiting someone else for all their problems.
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