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lenoon posted:Lack of carrier support means Grey now has essentially free reign anywhere not covered by land based air right? What does that open up? Australia? A crack at Fiji? I get the impression it's not actually that much? He's certainly held on to the initiative, but I think most of his land forces are tied up in China, and there's a lot of logistical scraping needed to field even a small invasion of a few islands. Grey was talking about the invasion he was planning, but that seems to have gone out the window when carriers appeared.
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Yeah any additional offensives strike me as more trouble than they're worth. I would just try to massively dig in at strategic roadblock areas and try to sink any ship you can get a hold of while there's still time. Oh, and finish conquering China of course.
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I still plan on hitting south, once the carriers have repaired, but that may well be the last offensive of the war.
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Yeah the goal is to drive up the score, and taking valuable cities and bases is a way to do that. Also, this is an LP, so... do the interesting things.
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Grey Hunter posted:Also, how many years have you had that gif ready? I had faith you'd do it Grey.
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Now that the mighty BB has prevailed over the puny airplane ship, the AI should start cancelling the Essexes in favor of Iowas, Montanas, and Alaskas. ...right?
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The USS North Carolina was bested in honorable combat. She went down fighting against overwhelming opponents. Now to go get my USS NC shotglass and have a shot of moonshine in her honor. And then request the USS Alabama as my next lucky ship. When does a confirmed kill show up? The battle screen said sunk, but the AAR didn't, but the points jumped, and I have no clue.
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Woodchip posted:Now that the mighty BB has prevailed over the puny airplane ship, the AI should start cancelling the Essexes in favor of Iowas, Montanas, and Alaskas. The funny thing is that in the AARs I've read of multiplayer games usually it's the American BBs that end up being the biggest pain in the rear end because they will bombard all of your coastal bases into dust 
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PittTheElder posted:I get the impression it's not actually that much? He's certainly held on to the initiative, but I think most of his land forces are tied up in China, and there's a lot of logistical scraping needed to field even a small invasion of a few islands. Grey was talking about the invasion he was planning, but that seems to have gone out the window when carriers appeared. If we go by Yamamoto's plan, then the plan is to finish gobbling up New Guinea and then push east a bit to finish getting the Solomon Islands, Fiji, New Caledonia, and then maybe land a force on Midway and get some of the Aleutians. Once we do that we then fortify the hell out of what we have and try and bleed the Americans every step of the way.
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Wow. Well, congrats Grey and those creative souls inspired by these events! 28 November 1942 British destroyer Ithuriel, written off after air attack at Bône, Algeria.
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Considering the losses he took to achieve this major victory, all Grey has to do is fight another 5 or 6 Milne Bays and he'll have this war in the bag.
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youre gonna get nuked so hard for this
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Well let's make it a yearly event then. I'm sure the Allies will agree to out terms of "milne bay 24000' no planes".
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Tiler Kiwi posted:youre gonna get nuked so hard for this In this timeline, the Manhattan Project funds are diverted to build the fleets of Roosevelt-class Super Battleships, which will force Japan's surrender after reducing Tokyo to cinders via shore bombardment. HannibalBarca fucked around with this message at 22:33 on Nov 29, 2016 |
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Tiler Kiwi posted:youre gonna get nuked so hard for this I laughed at this irl
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HannibalBarca posted:In this timeline, the Manhattan Project funds are diverted to build the fleets of Roosevelt-class Super Battleships, which will force Japan's surrender after reducing Tokyo to cinders via shore bombardment. Nah, now they'll just be focused on the nuclear shells rather than nuclear bombs.
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Hey Grey, have you considered trying to take Darwin and Perth? They are usually very lightly defended and you don't really need to hold on to them in the long term. You should consider going after them as they are very likely where the Americans are basing their subs out of. Take them and the amount of sunken shipping to and from the Home Islands should go down drastically, not to mention the much lower chance that the subs will get a lucky shot on a carrier after their torpedoes improve.
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Invade New Zealand, make them build the dopeytanks.
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RZApublican posted:Hey Grey, have you considered trying to take Darwin and Perth? They are usually very lightly defended and you don't really need to hold on to them in the long term. You should consider going after them as they are very likely where the Americans are basing their subs out of. Take them and the amount of shipping to and from the Home Islands should go down drastically, not to mention the chances that one of them will get a lucky shot on a carrier after their torpedoes improve. This so hard.
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Grey Hunter posted:The embodiment of Bushido So I come back to over a hundred posts and the Battle for Milne Bay going down; now I'm not a massively creative man in terms of images, so I'm just going to leave it at "Holy poo poo, Grey." drat whether or not that changes the overall course of the war, that was fan-bloody-tastic work, gamble or not. RZApublican posted:Hey Grey, have you considered trying to take Darwin and Perth? They are usually very lightly defended and you don't really need to hold on to them in the long term. You should consider going after them as they are very likely where the Americans are basing their subs out of. Take them and the amount of sunken shipping to and from the Home Islands should go down drastically, not to mention the much lower chance that of the subs will get a lucky shot on a carrier after their torpedoes improve. And hey, there's nothing stopping you from doing this, or going with a lower-key general smash and grab on the northern Australian coastline.
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Dive bombers from Port Moresby will still thrash anything Grey does south of Rabaul.
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Land based air really struggles with carrier aircraft due to the way the game coordinates escorts. Then again Grey does still have A6M2s in late '42, so maybe he wouldn't be so secure. I'm not that solid on the r&d but it feels like at least the M3 should be out.
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CannonFodder posted:The USS North Carolina was bested in honorable combat. She went down fighting against overwhelming opponents. Now to go get my USS NC shotglass and have a shot of moonshine in her honor. AFAIK, the combat screen does not lie. Neither does Operational Losses/Destroyed on Field, nor Points. Its sunk.
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Velius posted:Land based air really struggles with carrier aircraft due to the way the game coordinates escorts. Then again Grey does still have A6M2s in late '42, so maybe he wouldn't be so secure. I'm not that solid on the r&d but it feels like at least the M3 should be out. I'm pretty sure we've seen a few A6M3s, but I guess they just haven't really produced enough of them to be common right now.
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Grey Hunter posted:
...  HUNTERHEIKA! BANZAI! BANZAI! BANZAI!
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Still congrats! Looks like you not only took out both carriers, but possibly almost every single one of thier escorts in the fleet as well. I'm.. Not sure if there are any survivors left of the American task force at all other than an odd DD or two.
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wedgekree posted:Still congrats! Looks like you not only took out both carriers, but possibly almost every single one of thier escorts in the fleet as well. I'm.. Not sure if there are any survivors left of the American task force at all other than an odd DD or two. And also the carrier aircrews if the operational losses are to be believed. The Americans are gonna have a fun time next year trying to do a big carrier battle when they are running with lovely aircrews.
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Seriously, how does Lexington even disengage from that battle?
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How are the Americans when it comes to putting out replacement pilots? Also I suppose the several months of less than severe air actions if the American carriers have been mauled means that Grey also has some time to upgrade his own planes and build up a reserve of pilots as well. He has hopefully a few months where he can upgrade and build up his reserves - maybe even upgrade some of his ships (if the Japanese can do that to any degree with thier mainstays). Assuming that Hornet is still around (I think someone said she was earlier in the thread) that means the Americans have one CV and several CVEs/CVLs left until next year.
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TildeATH posted:Seriously, how does Lexington even disengage from that battle? When the Japanese CA's alone have a 2~4 knot speed advantage? Let alone the destroyers 
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Pretty sure Bushido Code states "Give your enemy hope, so that you may crush him completely at his worst." Or maybe it was Sun Tzu 
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kantai collection is going to be super weird in the greyverse
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wedgekree posted:How are the Americans when it comes to putting out replacement pilots? Also I suppose the several months of less than severe air actions if the American carriers have been mauled means that Grey also has some time to upgrade his own planes and build up a reserve of pilots as well. He has hopefully a few months where he can upgrade and build up his reserves - maybe even upgrade some of his ships (if the Japanese can do that to any degree with thier mainstays). Grey gets to run around for several more months because of this victory, but eventually the American industrial power will really start to kick in. The loss of the aircrews is devastating, and the blows to their pilot pool means that Greys stand a very good chance of winning the next carrier engagement. However, the torpedos start to get better throughout 1943. The subs are already putting a hurting on Grey right now, imagine how bad it will get once their torpedos stop having a 90% failure rate. Basically, Grey needs to start spamming escorts, attacking key ports (Darwin and Perth), and keeping his carriers protected. He doesn't get any new carriers until late 1943.He needs to pick off any CVEs that the Allied AI sends off on foolish raid. He also needs to start making inroads in Chunking. If he can knock China out of the war by mid-43, all that free manpower will be desperately needed in Burma.
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Mycroft Holmes posted:kantai collection is going to be super weird in the greyverse Since it's totally sensible in our universe, of course.
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For those of us unfamiliar with the game, how does the IJN handle escorts and sub-hunting in general given thier historical inability to do it effectively? Are there ways to improve the setup wtihout driving oneself insane with the UI?
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I go away for two days, and this happens?  I need to take business trips more frequently.Now onwards! Skip Midway, conquer Hawaii directly 
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wedgekree posted:For those of us unfamiliar with the game, how does the IJN handle escorts and sub-hunting in general given thier historical inability to do it effectively? Are there ways to improve the setup wtihout driving oneself insane with the UI? Your depth charges get better depending on the current year/month. Otherwise, there's nothing that can be done to "make the entire IJN better at ASW". You just do the best you can, like selecting the best leaders for that work, with the best ships available for it, and set them up in areas where they will be effective/most useful.
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Did Grey actually do that much to the pilot pool? If the carrier sinks with all the planes on board, or a hangar fire and lack of a usable flight deck leads to loss of the aircraft inventory, shouldn't the aircrews have a decent shot at survival by ditching next to an escorting cruiser or taking a dinghy over to a destroyer?
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aphid_licker posted:Did Grey actually do that much to the pilot pool? If the carrier sinks with all the planes on board, or a hangar fire and lack of a usable flight deck leads to loss of the aircraft inventory, shouldn't the aircrews have a decent shot at survival by ditching next to an escorting cruiser or taking a dinghy over to a destroyer? The game is not THAT groggy.
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Jobbo_Fett posted:The game is not THAT groggy. quote:7.0.1.1.1.1 EMERGENCY LANDINGS
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