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Not So Fast posted:Ugh why am I not surprised a simple point like "The Batistas were terrible but Castro wasn't perfect" isn't going over well here There was a dude arguing that Cuba only slightly above North Korea.
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Gonzo McFee posted:There was a dude arguing that Cuba only slightly above North Korea. Cuba is loving miles away.
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Trump and May roleplaying as Ronald and Maggie (or more likely May trying to pass it off as that): Trump and May 'agree on importance of Nato' in second phone call quote:Donald Trump and Theresa May have “agreed on the importance” of Nato as they spoke on the phone for the second time since the US election, according to Downing Street.
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Prince John posted:I think people are being criticised for focusing on the good things while handwaving away the bad. So just partisan politics as usual then.
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Not So Fast posted:Ugh why am I not surprised a simple point like "The Batistas were terrible but Castro wasn't perfect" isn't going over well here Why am I not surprised a liberal is being hysterically disingenuous in misrepresenting the views of socialists? No, really, who here is arguing that Castro was perfect? Nobody is offended by that statement of fact for goodness sake. The disagreements have been between fantasists who think the only nation more tyrannical is the DPRK and people who aren't loving insgo ane. Plenty of room to criticise Castro's Cuba without lurching into prouncements of how actually economic freedom is far more important than freedom to not starve, and yes, of course that particular argument is rightly getting short shrift in UKMT
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It's more that the bad things are literally US policy as well, and the same people who espouse the US as a bastion of liberalism's triumph decry Cuba for doing the things the US does an a spectacular scale. Yes they're bad but Cuba has an excuse of being right next to the biggest world superpower which has been openly hostile to it throughout most of its history, which does the same things apparently for fun. There's being a shithead because you can't find a way to do better and there's being a shithead because you think being a shithead is actually morally right. Cuba does quite well for its citizens by UN metrics, with far fewer resources. I'd be inclined to suggest that's a relatively good thing, on the whole. OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 01:18 on Nov 30, 2016 |
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One of the most damning thing about Castro is that he never really cared so much about socialism anyway, except when the US hosed with Cuba for the last time so he threw in with the Soviets. Che was the real ideologue of the revolution. Castro just wanted power, so I dont even think he can be morally credited with much of what was good in Cuba, cos he just did whatever to keep himself on top.
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Che was a powerful man indeed if he could take lessons from the Tupac school of political structure and build a viable socialist society even after his death. Maybe he should get more than t-shirts made.
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"Yeah you built a functional socialist state which uses its resources primarily to fund the wellbeing of its populace for the majority of your life but you didn't mean it so that doesn't count  "
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Man those anti-apartheid military interventions that Cuba did were pretty terrible weren't they
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Private Speech posted:Trump and May roleplaying as Ronald and Maggie (or more likely May trying to pass it off as that):  Countdown to Trump May sex tape begins.
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Unlikely, she isn't half his age or less.
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She's stupid enough to try and flirt with him for influence, he's Donald Trump. No idea how this got here. EmptyVessel fucked around with this message at 02:57 on Nov 30, 2016 |
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Not So Fast posted:Ugh why am I not surprised a simple point like "The Batistas were terrible but Castro wasn't perfect" isn't going over well here Because in this world of poo poo, 'wasn't perfect' is loving amazing.
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I know that for a thread full of lefties this place is oddly sympathetic to clerics and religion, but it looks like Theresa is taking after Saint Tony and letting The Invisible Man make policy: https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/22743...ping-her-awake/ quote:Theresa May says her faith in God will guide our path out of Europe as she admits Brexit is keeping her awake
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So it seems service station toilet graffiti has moved on past solicitations for sex and now lists things which should get hosed. And according to a loo on the westbound Rownhams services on the M25 the following should all get hosed: the Queen, Trump, Polish cunts, nigers, the UK and Brext
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ShaneMacGowansTeeth posted:So it seems service station toilet graffiti has moved on past solicitations for sex and now lists things which should get hosed. And according to a loo on the westbound Rownhams services on the M25 the following should all get hosed: the Queen, Trump, Polish cunts, nigers, the UK and Brext 4 out of 6 correct isn't bad, if the rest of the country was 67% efficient we'd be laughing.
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This is actually bad for Labour: https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/803901731981688832
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I choose to believe whoever wrote that meant "Nigels".
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TinTower posted:This is actually bad for Labour: Every day i'm amazed that Keziah Dugdale still has a job. My favourite part of the last Labour leadership contest was the crowd openly laughing at Owen Smith when he said she was doing a "great job".
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Renaissance Robot posted:I choose to believe whoever wrote that meant "Nigels".
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Zephro posted:I know that for a thread full of lefties this place is oddly sympathetic to clerics and religion, but it looks like Theresa is taking after Saint Tony and letting The Invisible Man make policy: Has anyone hailed satan Hailing satan might work
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She's using allegory. Britain will spend 40 years wandering in the desert.
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Zephro posted:Great. I'm reassured. Blair listening to the voices in his head worked out so well in Iraq, after all. Has anyone consulted Anubis, though? Rigged Death Trap posted:Has anyone hailed satan We've got quite a lot of statements from ISIS, if you want their opinion.
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does anyone care about the snoopers charter and is there anything we can do about this poo poo aside from use tor or leave the country
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Andrews & Arnold, Liberty, EFF, HRW, and ORG all seem to care. A lot of people seem already resigned to social media spying on everything they do anyway, although afaik Twitter have never murdered anyone while trying to arrest them. Tor might be a step too far and there's the speed and exit node security problems, you could always use an offshore VPN, although you should have been doing that for years if you're worried about the things in the IPA, they've already been going on, just quasi-legally. You could always just start a rumor campaign that the security services are all literal pedophiles. Given the UK the stats are probably on your side too.
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MikeCrotch posted:Every day i'm amazed that Keziah Dugdale still has a job. You can be damned sure Anas Sarwar is plotting his succession, but given his main selling point is 'less corrupt than his father' I don't see him being the one to turn Scottish Labour around.
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TinTower posted:This is actually bad for Labour: Hey look! We got the worst possible result from Scottish nationalism! They didn't get independence AND they're helping ensure Tory supremacy for another 5 decades. Good work everyone. When they said "Can we keep being the darkest timeline?" I wasn't sure but we've done it. We're so still the darkest timeline.
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UnlimitedSpessmans posted:Everyone is pretty used to being spyed on in every way possible we're slowly reaching the point where the most far fetched part of V for Vendetta is the bloke smoking in a pub lol I'm definitely gonna use that in the future thanks for the bitter laugh
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Regarde Aduck posted:Hey look! We got the worst possible result from Scottish nationalism! They didn't get independence AND they're helping ensure Tory supremacy for another 5 decades. Good work everyone. When they said "Can we keep being the darkest timeline?" I wasn't sure but we've done it. We're so still the darkest timeline. England I don't have a clue about, but looking at Scottish voters and seeing MORE of them wanting to vote Tory boggles the mind. But then I remember the cult of personality of Ruth Davidson has been successful in hoovering up pretty much everyone who has an issue with either the SNP or independence in general.
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Snoopers charter goes through and Jeremy Hunt wants a ban on sexting. Dirty pedo has been in gchq all night
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UnlimitedSpessmans posted:Everyone is pretty used to being spyed on in every way possible we're slowly reaching the point where the most far fetched part of V for Vendetta is the bloke smoking in a pub That's not true, we haven't got concentration camps where unethical scientific experiments are conducted on inmates yet
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The Tories are winning votes in Scotland because they're hoovering up the unionist support that Labour helped galvanize and then lost by being as flimsy as possible and because Scottish politics is slowly polarising into Left Wing Independence and Right Wing Unionism.
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The word you're looking for is nationalism. Centre left nationalism. Though interesting to see support for independence dropping along with support for the SNP. Brexit makes an independent Scotland an even worse proposition than before.
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Coohoolin posted:The Tories are winning votes in Scotland because they're hoovering up the unionist support that Labour helped galvanize and then lost by being as flimsy as possible and because Scottish politics is slowly polarising into Left Wing Independence and Right Wing Unionism. Shame the SNP aren't part of this left wing Scottish nationalism, guess they are too busy cosying up with Fianna Fail at the moment.
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Coohoolin posted:The Tories are winning votes in Scotland because they're hoovering up the unionist support that Labour helped galvanize and then lost by being as flimsy as possible and because Scottish politics is slowly polarising into Left Wing Independence and Right Wing Unionism. The Tories are winning votes in Scotland because they're regaining the Conservative voters who defected to be part of the Eternal and Absolute Hegemony Party and are now realising that this will not be the SNP. I mean, seriously, who the gently caress can look at a poll where Tories gain 4%, the SNP lose 4% and Labour lose 1% and say "ah, the Tories are making gains at the expense of Labour"? Jedit fucked around with this message at 14:31 on Nov 30, 2016 |
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