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Jedit posted:I mean, seriously, who the gently caress can look at a poll where Tories gain 4%, the SNP lose 4% and Labour lose 1% and say "ah, the Tories are making gains at the expense of Labour"? e: 1944 - PAYE is introduced, London receives a gift from outer space.
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MikeCrotch posted:That's not true, we haven't got concentration camps where unethical scientific experiments are conducted on inmates But we do have horrible prison standards, any government that can drive doctors and prison guards to strike must be a complete and utter joke.
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Jedit posted:The Tories are winning votes in Scotland because they're regaining the Conservative voters who defected to be part of the Eternal and Absolute Hegemony Party and are now realising that this will not be the SNP. Tartan Tories finally showing their true colours.
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Baron Corbyn posted:Tartan Tories finally showing their true colours. Their true colours are blue
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Baron Corbyn posted:Their true colours are blue Blue like the actual Tories btw
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The point to take away from all this is that Scotland is not a leftist bastion. It's poo poo like everywhere else. Poopy pee pee.
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Crime Severity Score measures 'relative harm' of crimesquote:A new way of measuring crime in England and Wales has been devised that ranks offences according to their seriousness. Here's the link to the xls file with all the data, and here's the weighting I've pulled from that. Doing a weeds is the least weightiest crime, while murder unsurprisingly scores the most.
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I can't get enough of are Dan
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HJB posted:Crime Severity Score measures 'relative harm' of crimes Where does kinky porn rank
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quote:Under the new system, murder is given the top weighting - 7,979 points per offence - while cannabis possession has the lowest of three points per offence.
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According to the BBC it's just based on how long sentences for those crimes are generally. So it's more "what judges think.txt", rather than an attempt to measure actual harm/seriousness scientifically (Though don't know how'd you'd begin to go about that that. Victim interviews?)
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Child sexual exploitation by a prole 3,075 points Child sexual exploitation by a bourg 182 points Child sexual exploitation by a minor aristocrat -6 points
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Clean Your Teeth posted:According to the BBC it's just based on how long sentences for those crimes are generally. In order to ensure objectivity it needs to be the same person's experience, like the guy who gets bitten by all the bugs to gauge how painful they are. I nominate Pissflaps.
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Jedit posted:The Tories are winning votes in Scotland because they're regaining the Conservative voters who defected to be part of the Eternal and Absolute Hegemony Party and are now realising that this will not be the SNP. Neither of these statements are valid. These polls are snapshots in time, not longitudinal studies of the same people and their changing political views over time. You can't say with any degree of accuracy where the rise and fall for each party is coming from. Hell, I can come up with a random theory myself that describes that data and the changes: from the full data tables, UKIP are down from 2% to 1% this time - we'll say that goes to the Tories, as the 'most likely' recipient, on the basis of because I said so. Labour we'll say have gained 2% from the SNP, but simultaneously lost 3% to the Tories, so net loss of 1% (Tories now on +4, explaining their increase fully). The SNP are currently 2% down, so lets say they lose another percent to the Lib Dems and then lose the last one due to rounding (in this survey, 5% of the respondents said Other, but the section for other only adds up to 4%, so we'll say that last percent is split between RISE and Solidarity, since RISE does have some people say they'll vote for them in other sections of the poll). That explains all the changes in the survey with just as valid reasoning as any theory other people have been stating in this thread: absolutely none at all.
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Regarde Aduck posted:Hey look! We got the worst possible result from Scottish nationalism! They didn't get independence AND they're helping ensure Tory supremacy for another 5 decades. Good work everyone. When they said "Can we keep being the darkest timeline?" I wasn't sure but we've done it. We're so still the darkest timeline. Even if every single Scottish person voted Labour, we'd still have a tory government because England has the vast majority of the votes and did and is voting Tory. English voters are the reason we live a Tory wasteland, not Scottish ones.
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Well except for all of the parts of England that voted Labour, which is not far off half of them.
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Serene Dragon posted:Scottish people voting in unity for something is the reason why we aren't leaving the EU-oh wait, right that's not what has happened. You're right that isn't what happened. Scotland - like the rest of the UK - is split on Brexit. Had Scotland voted Remain in unity then Scotland wouldn't be leaving the EU - because the UK would have voted to stay in it.
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Pissflaps posted:You're right that isn't what happened. Scotland - like the rest of the UK - is split on Brexit. So loving 62% isn't enough for you? Scotland has to be a loving hivemind in order to save England from itself? In fact, even if every single leave voter in Scotland had voted remain, it wouldn't have been enough to stop us leaving the EU, being 1 million compared to the 1.3 million gap. But you know, keep blaming Scotland for England's faults. We loving love it when you do that.
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Serene Dragon posted:So loving 62% isn't enough for you? Scotland has to be a loving hivemind in order to save England from itself? 62% isn't enough for what? Other parts of the UK voted remain. So what. It was a UK vote. I said every voter, not every Leave voter. It would have been enough. Of course it's not up to Scotland to save England from itself, but the flipside of this is that it's not reasonable to pretend that everyone in Scotland has the same opinions. That's just an old nationalist trick. Edit: thinking on, just the leave voters would be enough. Each one flipped counts double off the margin. Pissflaps fucked around with this message at 18:00 on Nov 30, 2016 |
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Serene Dragon posted:So loving 62% isn't enough for you? Scotland has to be a loving hivemind in order to save England from itself? Welcome back.
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OwlFancier posted:Equally it is not very helpful to, in the same sentence, disclaim responsibility on account of lacking population, while simultaneously blaming the other 92% of the population as a homogenous blob for everything. Scotland by itself does not have enough voting power to either help or hinder the tories in their bid for government. It never has. Yet it seems to be a common thing in this thread to put a huge part of the responsibility for stopping the Tories on a loving minority part of the UK.
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Scotland sure brings out the worst of UKMT. A bit like the Labour Party. Well, OK, I guess you could argue the worst of Labour is being brought out by UKIP & Brexit & just idiots but whatever. Actually more important than the never-ending will they/won't they struggle of Scottish independence and whether Scots is a real language or not, the National Audit Office released the least surprising report ever, welfare sanctions have no evidence they increase rates of people getting into work and solely exist to punish people on benefits. On top of that, the DWP are doing nothing to check on the welfare of those who receive sanctions, and the negative mental health effects of being sanctioned (and frankly just the mere threat) has on people are at least being flagged up by one arm of the government, even if the rest will ignore it. And most of the opposition will also probably ignore it. forkboy84 fucked around with this message at 18:32 on Nov 30, 2016 |
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forkboy84 posted:Scotland sure brings out the worst of UKMT. A bit like the Labour Party. Well, OK, I guess you could argue the worst of Labour is being brought out by UKIP & Brexit & just idiots but whatever. Doesn't sound like you are willing to take the concerns of the white working class seriously mate Note that the only concern of the white working class we will take action on is kicking the darkies out since anything else might involve work or raising taxes or our house prices dropping and we can't have that can we?
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In football pedo news, Chelsea are investigating an allegation they paid off a victim last year who accused one of their staff of abusing him in the 70's.
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im just angry at everyone and everything unfortunately, because i dont hate foreigners, politicians wont leap in to action and ruin the country for my vote 
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Serene Dragon posted:Is it great that 25% of Scotland is voting tory? No. Is it a drop in the loving bucket compared to the 40-odd % of English people currently polling voting Tory? Yes. This bears repeating - even if Labour had been willing to go into coalition with the SNP (and not doing was dumb IMO), they *still wouldn't have been able to get a majority in Westminster in 2016*. The Tories got a 12 seat actual majority. THere was no way Scotland could have changed that even if *every* seat in scotland had voted Labour.
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XMNN posted:im just angry at everyone and everything If it's any consolation they're doing a good job of ruining it for their own sake.
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thespaceinvader posted:THere was no way Scotland could have changed that even if *every* seat in scotland had voted Labour. Why is this noteworthy?
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forkboy84 posted:I had to look that up & jesus wept. That's actually terrible and far more recent than I'd realised. I know we're talking about Texas & Idaho & Mississippi but still. That's actually appalling. A.D.T. v United Kingdom was 2000. The aftereffects of R v Brown and the CPS' questionable conduct in related and unrelated cases remain to this day. Stare into the abyss. dex_sda posted:Where does kinky porn rank They all seem to come under "Obscene publications, etc and protected sexual material" so 155 I guess? Either that or it's somewhere else but I can't find it.
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Kaislioc posted:A.D.T. v United Kingdom was 2000. The aftereffects of R v Brown and the CPS' questionable conduct in related and unrelated cases remain to this day. Stare into the abyss.  I don't think I want to. I feel bad enough about this crummy country as it is.
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Pissflaps posted:Why is this noteworthy? Because some idiots have been known to blame everyone who didn't vote Labour for the current government, regardless of the facts.
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hyper from Pixie Sticks posted:Because some idiots have been known to blame everyone who didn't vote Labour for the current government, regardless of the facts. I think it's fairly obvious that if enough people across the UK had voted Labour in 2015 then we would have had a Labour government. Not sure why that's idiotic?
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Pissflaps posted:I think it's fairly obvious that if enough people across the UK had voted Labour in 2015 then we would have had a Labour government. They're countering one extreme position with the opposite. Of course they're not making sense. That all of Scotland voting Labour wouldn't of helped is the right response to someone suggesting Scotland, alone, could have controlled the result of the election. Problem is no one ever actually suggests this extreme position. What people actually say is "If MORE Scottish people had voted Labour then MAYBE we wouldn't have a Tory government". Which is correct. The more Scottish voters, who used to be dependable Labour voters, voted Labour, the less we had to depend on English voters who are not dependable at all. It's not rocket science. We know the English voting public are mostly scum. But the nationalistic drive to abandon Labour for the SNP DID have repercussions that need to be recognized.
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Pissflaps posted:I think it's fairly obvious that if enough people across the UK had voted Labour in 2015 then we would have had a Labour government. And I'm fairly sure that if England had the same voting habits as Scotland, The UK wouldn't of Brexit. But they don't have the same voting habits and England voted for the conservatives the most, twice. You expect all of Scotland to unite like a hivemind to save your pathetic skin from your own country's failings? Pathetic.
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Extreme0 posted:But they don't have the same voting habits and England voted for the conservatives the most, twice. You expect all of Scotland to unite like a hivemind to save your pathetic skin from your own country's failings? Pathetic. Nobody has said this. You're making it up.
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