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Oracle posted:Maybe they're assuming its Evil Barry who Future Barry warned them about. Well yes, the message ended up in 2016 so
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Fru Fru posted:I thought he said the exact opposite? I will admit to not really listening to Barry whine about time travel again though so I might be confused. Also I don't actually care what flashpoint is, it's a stupid name. Right now they are calling the timeline where Barry saves his mom Flashpoint because that's how the comics did it , but something has been off for me since episode one. Thawne instantly knew things had changed in this timeline. So I have a feeling he somehow had something to do with some of these changes. Now we are getting even more info due to future Barry warning the legends to not trust him, but I'm thinking there is something more to that than him not telling everyone about Flashpoint. Something else is going on or I'm reading too much into it. Probably the latter.
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Oracle posted:Maybe they're assuming its Evil Barry who Future Barry warned them about. You know, given his general level of 5-steps-ahead dickishness, I'm thinking that the message was actually sent by Eobard posing as Barry to get everyone to be paranoid and mistrustful of Barry, purely because he's a delightful time troll. Barry just happening to be a massive gently caress up just works in Thawne's favor.
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Nov 30, 2016 21:41
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Thawne used his face stealing tech to become Barry, who because speedforce etc. didn't die like the real Wells did. Barry's still trapped in Flashpoint. But because of the timeline stuff that totally matters sometimes Thawne's memories are slowly being replaced with Barry's, and he's forgetting who he really is.
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WhyteRyce posted:I don't think having the Union army and future president Grant fight a hoard of zombies messes things up as much as you think they would I was thinking that nuking Norway and a prison in Russia with hundreds of people might have a slight effect. But I guess it turns out Barry's mother is the most important person in time. Who knew? 
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Nov 30, 2016 22:09
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nine-gear crow posted:You know, given his general level of 5-steps-ahead dickishness, I'm thinking that the message was actually sent by Eobard posing as Barry to get everyone to be paranoid and mistrustful of Barry, purely because he's a delightful time troll. Barry just happening to be a massive gently caress up just works in Thawne's favor. Thawne's backstory is so great. He idolized Barry to the point where he duplicated his powers, then found out he was predestined to be History's Biggest Dick and decided to embrace the role as hard as possible. 
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Nov 30, 2016 22:35
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Fuckin Trump Riot posted:Thawne's backstory is so great. He idolized Barry to the point where he duplicated his powers, then found out he was predestined to be History's Biggest Dick and decided to embrace the role as hard as possible. Uh, Harrison Wells of Earth 2 is History's Biggest Diiiiiiick.
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Rhyno posted:That was a great episode EXCEPT for Felicity's loving team up line. She just sucks the life and fun out of every scene she's in. When she said best team up ever? I laughed and moved on I hate her too but I don't see what was life sucking about it.
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Aphrodite posted:Thawne used his face stealing tech to become Barry, who because speedforce etc. didn't die like the real Wells did. Barry's still trapped in Flashpoint. But I imagine viewers would be crazy pissed to learn the Barry they've been watching for several episodes isn't actually Barry. It's not really a smart idea to do something like that past a few episodes at most.
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Mortanis posted:Uh, Harrison Wells of Earth 2 is History's Biggest Diiiiiiick. He's kind of the good version of Reverse-Flash, when you think about it. I mean still a dick but.
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Tarquinn posted:I was thinking that nuking Norway and a prison in Russia with hundreds of people might have a slight effect. But I guess it turns out Barry's mother is the most important person in time. Who knew? So just like in the comics then
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Aphrodite posted:Rhyno's life is pain and suffering. I lost the context on this and legit thought you were trying to post in Punchsport Pagoda and missed.
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Zebulon posted:To be fair he kind of has a point when everyone starts playing the Lets Lie About poo poo To Wally game to ~protect him~ from everything. Mooseontheloose posted:The Legends crew is being reaalllllly hypocritical here. AbsolutelySane posted:You know, they probably should have grabbed Jessie and useful Wells while they were at it, too. lotus circle posted:I'm sure the writing will gradually have Cisco and Barry reconcile, but Cisco has good reasons to feel angry.
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Dec 1, 2016 03:57
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Surprise, the Arrow part of the crossover was really bad! Who could have known.
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MiddleOne posted:Surprise, the Arrow part of the crossover was really bad! Who could have known. It was actually great so I guess you
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MiddleOne posted:Surprise, the Arrow part of the crossover was really bad! Who could have known. It was actually a loving fantastic episode. It is you that is really bad.
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MiddleOne posted:It was 70% Arrow melodrama Since I didn't have to watch any Arrow leading up to this episode and I won't have to watch any Arrow after this episode I can say it was actually a pretty ok episode of the crossover. I mean, I still had to watch some Arrow during this crossover, but I'll take a half-hour "no one can accept the perfect matrix" melodrama episode that all genre shows eventually do over the Felicity cry-talking of season 4.
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MiddleOne posted:It was 70% Arrow melodrama I mean, there wasn't as much of the typical melodrama at all. it was more a recap of the last five years in the form of an alien simulation. lots of good bits of acting in there
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MiddleOne posted:Surprise, the Arrow part of the crossover was really bad! Who could have known. Felicity is that you? Are you mad that Oliver wasn't set to marry you?
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Spacebump posted:Maybe it was and a government just intercepted the rockets. Or perhaps both pods got stuck in the Phantom Zone this time, and will need to be rescued by the Legends so Team Flash can take them in and raise them.
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Carlosologist posted:I mean, there wasn't as much of the typical melodrama at all. it was more a recap of the last five years in the form of an alien simulation. lots of good bits of acting in there I just think the concept is funny. The writers could have made the episode about heroes escaping from an alien ship, instead they decide the most exciting thing they can do is put all their heroes in a soap opera simulator.
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ElCondemn posted:I just think the concept is funny. The writers could have made the episode about heroes escaping from an alien ship, instead they decide the most exciting thing they can do is put all their heroes in a soap opera simulator. It was also the 100th Arrow episode, so they wanted the chance to bring everyone back for guest bits.
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MiddleOne posted:Surprise, the Arrow part of the crossover was really bad! Who could have known.     -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------       
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ElCondemn posted:I just think the concept is funny. The writers could have made the episode about heroes escaping from an alien ship, instead they decide the most exciting thing they can do is put all their heroes in a soap opera simulator. Each show is playing to its premise's strength / audience's tastes. Arrow's all about girtty melodrama, so they're basically forced to write what amounts to a bottle show in a soap opera simulator so that people tuning into the show expecting it to just be another episode of Arrow aren't driven away by Flash/Supergirl/Legends' colourful whimsy and crazy. It just means that they're gonna go balls out for Legends tomorrow because that's the bugfuck craziest of the four shows, so it'll be playing to its audience's expectations rather than Flash/Arrow/Supergirl's. E: I'm just gonna assume that Kara punched the air in front of her face so hard it sent her flying...
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I thought that scene was pretty hilarious, Flash and Supergirl team up to beat up a defenseless woman.nine-gear crow posted:Each show is playing to its premise's strength / audience's tastes. Arrow's all about girtty melodrama, so they're basically forced to write what amounts to a bottle show in a soap opera simulator so that people tuning into the show expecting it to just be another episode of Arrow aren't driven away by Flash/Supergirl/Legends' colourful whimsy and crazy. It just means that they're gonna go balls out for Legends tomorrow because that's the bugfuck craziest of the four shows, so it'll be playing to its audience's expectations rather than Flash/Arrow/Supergirl's. I get it, the dream world/matrix idea made it easy for them to make sure they don't affect their continuity in any meaningful way. Totally a bottle episode. It is really fun to see how each show differs in tone and writing. It reminds me of crossover events in comic books with different writers writing each part of the event. ElCondemn fucked around with this message at 08:31 on Dec 1, 2016 |
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I think the message really was from Future Barry, and he intentionally lied about present Barry's trustworthiness. The thing he said made sure that at least Barry, if not Barry and Oliver, stayed behind while the Sectoids mind controlled the rest of the team. If everybody had gone in at the same time, it would have just been Wally "Maybe Stepping In Front of This Speeding Car Will Give Me Super Powers" West to fight off literally every other active hero in their shared universe. If anything, it gives me hope that Barry eventually becomes slightly less of a fuckup.MiddleOne posted:Surprise, the Arrow part of the crossover was really bad! Who could have known. Eh, it's Arrow. As somebody who hated the few episodes of Arrow that I saw (like the first five or so from the first season before completely giving up), I thought it was just more of the same terrible show and wanted it to be over as quickly as possible so we could get back to the good shows again. But if you dig Arrow, it's probably also more of the same. Side note: I hope Oliver kept his loving space gun. That thing alone dropped the Dominators' threat level from 'Unkillable badasses' to 'Victorian ladies In tightlaced corsets in dire need of a fainting couch.' teamcharlie fucked around with this message at 10:28 on Dec 1, 2016 |
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AbsolutelySane posted:I just assumed Krypton wasn't destroyed in the Earth 1 universe, hence no Superman or Supergirl. It was destroyed. But Kara and Kal-El died. Their parents were going to fuel up the escape pods, but a shrinky dude in an exosuit and an assassin lady distracted them.
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I don't know why but this was really hot.
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I haven't watched Arrow yet but well done if that's when the Laurel appearance happens. It's an even better troll than my idea, and I respect that.
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Fuckin Trump Riot posted:I haven't watched Arrow yet but well done if that's when the Laurel appearance happens. It's an even better troll than my idea, and I respect that. She's still coming back this season, just not starting now. I assume Barry is going to gently caress up big and cause major changes. Again. Maybe even tonight? They'd have to do it in a cross-over or that's a hell of a "Previously on..."
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Aphrodite posted:She's still coming back this season, just not starting now. We joke(?) about it but Barry Allen is the single biggest threat to the entire multiverse and Thawne is absolutely right in opposing him. The time dickery is just his side gig.
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Fuckin Trump Riot posted:We joke(?) about it but Barry Allen is the single biggest threat to the entire multiverse and Thawne is absolutely right in opposing him. The time dickery is just his side gig. The problem is, if you want to get down to brass tacks, Thawne created gently caress-up Barry because he didn't like the previous, responsible version of Barry. Probably because Good Barry was always foiling his plans while not loving up the timeline. It's a shame we never got to meet Good Barry.
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Eh the only bad part about the Arrow episode was it had nothing to do with the crossover, at least not until the last few minutes. You could easily rewrite the situation that caused the dream world and nothing would change. The episode itself was solid otherwise.
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AbsolutelySane posted:The problem is, if you want to get down to brass tacks, Thawne created gently caress-up Barry because he didn't like the previous, responsible version of Barry. Probably because Good Barry was always foiling his plans while not loving up the timeline. It's a shame we never got to meet Good Barry. Don't worry, there's a time remnant good Barry that will eventually show up, but then he'll be incredibly disappointed in gently caress-up Barry. Then Barry will have another Dad!
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Barry should be Inverse Flash. Good, non-moron Barry Allen can be the normal Flash.
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Woo ratings boost!cbr posted:This year’s crossover episode boosted “The Flash” with a +3% increase in total viewership from last year’s crossover. The show also saw a +7% increase in adults 18-49, but matched its previous rating in adults 18-34. Overall, “The Flash” cinched the #2 spot in the 8-9pm hour for adults 18-34, tied for #3 with adults 18-49 and scored #1 for men 18-34 (1.4/7).
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