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Feels Villeneuve
Oct 7, 2007

Setter is Better.

A Buff Gay Dude posted:

"ME3 had a good ending and All Bethesda games are bad" - a retard gimmick guy

Agreed.

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Pozload Escobar
Aug 21, 2016

by Reene

Pattonesque posted:

even better the only way they do foreshadow it is that "when a Mass Relay is destroyed it is a solar system-killing event"

Yah this was pretty lmao

The bioware defense force did a bunch of mental gymnastics to show that if you destroyed them THIS way that wouldn't happen but there was nothing in game to convince anyone.

Just a terrible terrible ending in so many ways.

exquisite tea
Apr 21, 2007

Carly shook her glass, willing the ice to melt. "You still haven't told me what the mission is."

She leaned forward. "We are going to assassinate the bad men of Hollywood."


The only problem with the mass relays blowing up in the original ending to ME3 is that they didn't have cutscenes showing most galactic civilization getting incinerated, which allowed them to walk back on this later.

Feels Villeneuve
Oct 7, 2007

Setter is Better.

exquisite tea posted:

The only problem with the mass relays blowing up in the original ending to ME3 is that they didn't have cutscenes showing most galactic civilization getting incinerated, which allowed them to walk back on this later.

I thought they sort of did in the low-assets ending. I think the idea was that the giant space gun was less stable since it got more dinged up on the way to the Citadel but it was all very fuzzy.

Bloody Pom
Jun 5, 2011



Alain Post posted:

I thought they sort of did in the low-assets ending. I think the idea was that the giant space gun was less stable since it got more dinged up on the way to the Citadel but it was all very fuzzy.

It does. In the worst Destroy ending the Crucible blast pretty much glasses Earth. It's safe to assume that the chain reaction spreading through the relay network would cause significant to complete destruction.

exquisite tea
Apr 21, 2007

Carly shook her glass, willing the ice to melt. "You still haven't told me what the mission is."

She leaned forward. "We are going to assassinate the bad men of Hollywood."


Either way, "keeping the relays vs. not keeping the relays" would have been a much more coherent moral framework than "maybe some robots will die" and was more relevant within the context of all three games.

Pattonesque
Jul 15, 2004
johnny jesus and the infield fly rule
here's a thing: given that FTL is relatively limited to systems within a few, say, weeks of travel time between systems, there could theoretically be a whole 'nother relay system that doesn't intersect with the current relay system at all

you could have two separate galactic societies in the same galaxy developing completely independently of one another

makes u think

exquisite tea
Apr 21, 2007

Carly shook her glass, willing the ice to melt. "You still haven't told me what the mission is."

She leaned forward. "We are going to assassinate the bad men of Hollywood."


Pattonesque posted:

here's a thing: given that FTL is relatively limited to systems within a few, say, weeks of travel time between systems, there could theoretically be a whole 'nother relay system that doesn't intersect with the current relay system at all

you could have two separate galactic societies in the same galaxy developing completely independently of one another

makes u think

I love the "let's invent more interesting plots than Mass Effect: Andromeda" game. Everybody always wins!

Pozload Escobar
Aug 21, 2016

by Reene
Didn't the devs try and retcon some poo poo about FTL travel without the relays being effective enough to connect the remaining civs or something? I swear I remember this.

Lt. Danger
Dec 22, 2006

jolly good chaps we sure showed the hun

No, the embarassing Bioware retcon was that Joker crash-landed on Earth.

Feels Villeneuve
Oct 7, 2007

Setter is Better.

Lt. Danger posted:

No, the embarassing Bioware retcon was that Joker crash-landed on Earth.

In fairness I think this was some "community organizer" running a Twitter account for Bioware rather than someone like, actually on the writing team.


e) the real thing Bioware has to be ashamed of is the relays getting rebuilt in the EC

Pattonesque
Jul 15, 2004
johnny jesus and the infield fly rule
the poor community manager running the ME twitter account must have had a hell of a few weeks after the ending

"the Normandy crash landed on Earth" man there are TWO MOONS on that planet what are you talking about

Zzulu
May 15, 2009

(▰˘v˘▰)
thats no moon!

Reclaimer
Sep 3, 2011

Pierced through the heart
but never killed



I'm totally cool with and excited by a new story in the Mass Effect universe that has nothing to do with the OG trilogy, in general.

Pozload Escobar
Aug 21, 2016

by Reene

Reclaimer posted:

I'm totally cool with and excited by a new story in the Mass Effect universe that has nothing to do with the OG trilogy, in general.

It's the best for all parties involved but that doesn't mean it isn't hilarious that bioware hosed up their IP so bad they realized they had to leave the whole friggen galaxy lmao

Dexo
Aug 15, 2009

A city that was to live by night after the wilderness had passed. A city that was to forge out of steel and blood-red neon its own peculiar wilderness.
Eh. weren't they saying before launch of ME3 that while they would probably continue to make ME games Shep's story was over and they would either be prequel's super far in the future or in another galaxy.

Pozload Escobar
Aug 21, 2016

by Reene

Dexo posted:

Eh. weren't they saying before launch of ME3 that while they would probably continue to make ME games Shep's story was over and they would either be prequel's super far in the future or in another galaxy.

Bioware Knew



Edit: they also killed 2/3 of those approaches with the poo poo plot of ME3. No one would care about a prequel and a future sequel would have been impossible to reconcile.

Reclaimer
Sep 3, 2011

Pierced through the heart
but never killed



A Buff Gay Dude posted:

Bioware Knew



Edit: they also killed 2/3 of those approaches with the poo poo plot of ME3. No one would care about a prequel and a future sequel would have been impossible to reconcile.

That's what they said about Deus Ex 1 tho, then DE2 just said all the endings happened.

Shep merges with the Reapers but it goes awry and they all explode and take out the relay network and then the explosion merges all people with machines or whatever dumb bullshit that was, and then JC Denton comes back from his nap in Antarctica why not.

Moola
Aug 16, 2006
i'm sexually attracted to the ending of me3

Feels Villeneuve
Oct 7, 2007

Setter is Better.

Moola posted:

i'm sexually attracted to the ending of me3

Mmm.

Bongo Bill
Jan 17, 2012

I have been wanting another Mass Effect-like game for a while, and this "Andromeda" thing looks like it's going to be a lot like Mass Effect.

homullus
Mar 27, 2009

Number Ten Cocks posted:

If the events of ME:A center around planet Culpa I'll forgive them.

:golfclap:

orange juche
Mar 14, 2012



Bongo Bill posted:

I have been wanting another Mass Effect-like game for a while, and this "Andromeda" thing looks like it's going to be a lot like Mass Effect.

:agreed:

I think it has some similarities to the game series known as Mass Effect.

RBA Starblade
Apr 28, 2008

Going Home.

Games Idiot Court Jester

exquisite tea posted:

Either way, "keeping the relays vs. not keeping the relays" would have been a much more coherent moral framework than "maybe some robots will die" and was more relevant within the context of all three games.

I always thought, since part of the point was that the relays were preprogrammed and also forcibly shut things down outside certain scenarios, that it would be a lot more clever if the Crucible was just a hundred cycles' attempts at reprogramming the Relays, turning the safeties off so to speak so that the actual superweapon was "literally anything with an engine and a navigation computer pointed at the honking robots". Maybe have one shaped like Shepard's fist for aiming at Harbinger. The moral endings then would be whether or not, after you use ten trillion asteroids with thrusters to ftl-murder the Reapers, galactic society puts this aside and uses this newfound power to expand to the rest of the galaxy instead of their limited positions, or if they start pointing the asteroids at each other and start a super cold war. It's still not great but at least it's not a magic wave.

quote:

gently caress dude, I just want Glen Cook to write for any game at this point. I don't even remember what I was gonna say about Lt. Dan's posts now except "lol" because I'm just thinking about how many reapers would get killed by shepard just because they were politically in the way instead of some dumb "save the universe" bullshit.

I should really read his sci-fi stuff, Black Company's great and Dread Empire's pretty good too though the last one was kind of crap.

RBA Starblade fucked around with this message at 00:08 on Dec 1, 2016

Kurieg
Jul 19, 2012

RIP Lutri: 5/19/20-4/2/20
:blizz::gamefreak:

Number Ten Cocks posted:

If the events of ME:A center around planet Culpa I'll forgive them.

Don't forget the Gas Giant, Maxima Culpa

Milkfred E. Moore
Aug 27, 2006

'It's easier to imagine the end of the world than the end of capitalism.'

Alain Post posted:

In fairness I think this was some "community organizer" running a Twitter account for Bioware rather than someone like, actually on the writing team.


e) the real thing Bioware has to be ashamed of is the relays getting rebuilt in the EC

She also said that the Catalyst was one of the 'beings of light' foreshadowed in ME1. Basically, I picture someone just saying anything, anything, to get above the hordes of belligerent fans.

A Buff Gay Dude posted:

Citadel was just as dissonant in tone as the ending compared to the "reapers killing the entire galaxy" ongoing main plot, but at least it wasn't retarded garbage.

It was a well done and fun piece of DLC that shouldn't have ever been made.

Citadel was obviously an ending epilogue though which got shoehorned into being set during the war despite it not making any sense.

Moola
Aug 16, 2006

*watches footage of the catalyst docking the citadel on repeat*

orange juche
Mar 14, 2012



Moola posted:

*watches footage of the catalyst docking the citadel on repeat*

You need pornogroove.mp3 as the backing track though

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TE4DrzozKuw

LITERALLY MY FETISH
Nov 11, 2010


Raise Chris Coons' taxes so that we can have Medicare for All.

Milky Moor posted:

Citadel was obviously an ending epilogue though which got shoehorned into being set during the war despite it not making any sense.

The Citadel DLC was the only 100% for fun just goofing around DLC, and it turned out the tone worked better than what most of the games were. That DLC was basically playing an 80s action movie with the mass effect characters.

Moola
Aug 16, 2006
thats why 2 is so good

A lot of the loyalty missions and recruitment missions aren't too serious; Thane's interrogation scene owns

Hedrigall
Mar 27, 2008

by vyelkin
I hope a star child gives me the option of controlling or destroying this thread

Milkfred E. Moore
Aug 27, 2006

'It's easier to imagine the end of the world than the end of capitalism.'

Hedrigall posted:

I hope a star child gives me the option of controlling or destroying this thread

You will actually be synthesised with myself to create a new posting future.

I'm sorry.

orange juche
Mar 14, 2012



Synthesis is the worst of both worlds imo

frajaq
Jan 30, 2009

#acolyte GM of 2014


things from ME3 I want in Andromeda: the fuckload of weapons available to choose

also bring back the Arc Projector from ME2

Drifter
Oct 22, 2000

Belated Bear Witness
Soiled Meat
What's the whole joke surrounding marauder shields? Other enemies had shields no?

Pozload Escobar
Aug 21, 2016

by Reene

Drifter posted:

What's the whole joke surrounding marauder shields? Other enemies had shields no?

Considering where he was in the game the joke surrounding him was the ME3 endgame

Hedrigall
Mar 27, 2008

by vyelkin

Drifter posted:

What's the whole joke surrounding marauder shields? Other enemies had shields no?

http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/marauder-shields

30 TO 50 FERAL HOG
Mar 2, 2005



mass effect 3 had the worst ending of all time

hope this helps

Feels Villeneuve
Oct 7, 2007

Setter is Better.
It was good.

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Pattonesque
Jul 15, 2004
johnny jesus and the infield fly rule
it was so good that people were like "ew"

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