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loquacius posted:I liked the Pappy O'Daniel vs Homer Stokes comparison better So I was feeling a bit under the weather last night so I spent the evening in bed watching O Brother Where Art Thou for the first time in years. And yeah, this is a great comparison. (Pappy refusing to greet a constituent because "We ain't one-at-a-timin', we're MASS COMMUNICATIN'" was particularly on the nose.) Of course, since Brother is a fairy tale, provoking the reform-minded populist into having a public racist meltdown actually doomed his candidacy. ED(it) BALLS DONE R U N N O F T
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zegermans posted:Taking a country that was losing 300,000 jobs PER MONTH into 8 years of positive job numbers. Low paying, zero benefits jobs that will soon be destroyed to the Trump presidency. He could have literally legalized pot and he would have been an amazing president. But now all he did will be lost, sadly.
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Neeksy posted:So basically he has the right messaging on this as opposed to what the rest of the dems are gonna do. I don't follow Democrat party politics too closely, but mainstream political opposition to Trump's nascent presidency from progressives/Democrats seems to be entirely centered around a single 75 year man. Is Sanders just getting all the media attention right now, or is the Democrat bench really that shallow? I'm just casually skimming news + magazine websites, but I see Sanders appearing in Rolling Stone and on the Late Show and no other prominent Democrats. Maybe I'm just missing stuff.
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Nocturtle posted:I don't follow Democrat party politics too closely, but mainstream political opposition to Trump's nascent presidency from progressives/Democrats seems to be entirely centered around a single 75 year man. Is Sanders just getting all the media attention right now, or is the Democrat bench really that shallow? I'm just casually skimming news + magazine websites, but I see Sanders appearing in Rolling Stone and on the Late Show and no other prominent Democrats. Maybe I'm just missing stuff. oh no a really popular guy with a following is complaining about trump!!!!!!!!!
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Tight Booty Shorts posted:He could have literally legalized pot and he would have been an amazing president. I'm proud of the life choices that kept me from having dank nugs be my single issue voter topic. What about the union jobs he saved with the Auto industry bailout?
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docbeard posted:So I was feeling a bit under the weather last night so I spent the evening in bed watching O Brother Where Art Thou for the first time in years. And yeah, this is a great comparison. (Pappy refusing to greet a constituent because "We ain't one-at-a-timin', we're MASS COMMUNICATIN'" was particularly on the nose.) I went on a rant about this during the day yesterday but nobody else who had seen OBWAT was around to respond  and yeah I think the key factor was that the racist meltdown in the movie interrupted a performance from a hugely popular musical group. We needed to provoke Trump into storming the stage at a Bruno Mars concert to tell everyone that Bruno is a mongrel kike spic chink who would never perform again under his presidency or something
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bump_fn posted:oh no a really popular guy with a following is complaining about trump!!!!!!!!! that is not even remotely what he meant
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Nocturtle posted:I don't follow Democrat party politics too closely, but mainstream political opposition to Trump's nascent presidency from progressives/Democrats seems to be entirely centered around a single 75 year man. Is Sanders just getting all the media attention right now, or is the Democrat bench really that shallow? I'm just casually skimming news + magazine websites, but I see Sanders appearing in Rolling Stone and on the Late Show and no other prominent Democrats. Maybe I'm just missing stuff. Somebody's gotta do it. I have my doubts about if Sanders could have won either against the well oiled right-wing smear machine that social media has augmented, but his message would certainly have resonated more in the areas Clinton lost. And yes the bench is short, because of state-level annihilations preventing new talent from filtering up.
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Nocturtle posted:I don't follow Democrat party politics too closely, but mainstream political opposition to Trump's nascent presidency from progressives/Democrats seems to be entirely centered around a single 75 year man. Is Sanders just getting all the media attention right now, or is the Democrat bench really that shallow? I'm just casually skimming news + magazine websites, but I see Sanders appearing in Rolling Stone and on the Late Show and no other prominent Democrats. Maybe I'm just missing stuff. After the Clinton people were defeated, they all retreated to their mansions to weather these next 4 years of more money for them. I guess the only person to step up to the plate was Bernie and guys like Keith Ellison.
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bernie will be 79 in 2020 but he sometimes tweets things people in the thread like to hear I like the guy and everything but he's not the future of the party
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Rastor posted:Yeah Areva have been doing it for ages but I guess we don't want their filthy French technology in the USA. Waste Producing Molten Salt Reactor (WPMSR) should be the new name of cspam
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zegermans posted:I'm proud of the life choices that kept me from having dank nugs be my single issue voter topic. Well, what about them? What's the state of unions now? Are they better or worse off? Have wages for these workers increased? Do you think that Obama bailing out the auto industry but not bailing out people who were hosed by huge banks was a positive mark or a negative mark?
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UHD posted:bernie will be 79 in 2020 but he sometimes tweets things people in the thread like to hear Moses was not allowed to cross the river Jordan into the promised land, but he did lead them through the wilderness. Tight Booty Shorts posted:Well, what about them? What's the state of unions now? Are they better or worse off? Have wages for these workers increased? I'm gonna go with "good thing that happened" is better than "better thing that did not happen".
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UHD posted:bernie will be 79 in 2020 but he sometimes tweets things people in the thread like to hear Do tell, where do you think the future of the party is? Is it Chelsea Clinton?
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zegermans posted:Moses was not allowed to cross the river Jordan into the promised land, but he did lead them through the wilderness. fair enough
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It really is bothering me how shallow the Dem bench is, because UHD isn't wrong about Bernie's age. I was a little worried he was too old for two terms THIS year, let alone next cycle. I mean, we'll see in 2020 if his mind's still sharp and he still has the juice in his bones to campaign
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Nocturtle posted:I don't follow Democrat party politics too closely, but mainstream political opposition to Trump's nascent presidency from progressives/Democrats seems to be entirely centered around a single 75 year man. Is Sanders just getting all the media attention right now, or is the Democrat bench really that shallow? I'm just casually skimming news + magazine websites, but I see Sanders appearing in Rolling Stone and on the Late Show and no other prominent Democrats. Maybe I'm just missing stuff. Sanders isn't the only voice out there, but he's got a lot of notoriety (or possibly a different word) and he's really using it well right now. I don't know how he would have done against Trump and I no longer care about the issues I had with him during the primary; he's doing great work right now and we are damned fortunate to have him. loquacius posted:I went on a rant about this during the day yesterday but nobody else who had seen OBWAT was around to respond Well if it helps your posts are what prompted me to watch it again!
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So since we're basically stuck with gerrymandering and voter suppression I was considering what blue states can do to make themselves more blue (which should help in the house a little bit.) People talk about making election day a national holiday but why not just have blue states make it a paid holiday for a cheesy boost to blue-voting demographics.
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zegermans posted:Moses was not allowed to cross the river Jordan into the promised land, but he did lead them through the wilderness. So yea, that's what his legacy is going to be like for the vast majority of the people who aren't, idk, white collar democrat bros in some rich city making 6 figures or more per year. He was the president who had the most backing and and the most tools and resources available to bring about positive change. Then the first thing he did was crack down on marijuana dispensaries and give Wallstreet some nice bonuses. Oh yea he bailed it the auto industry! Truly a good president.
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loquacius posted:It really is bothering me how shallow the Dem bench is, because UHD isn't wrong about Bernie's age. I was a little worried he was too old for two terms THIS year, let alone next cycle. the democratic party has plenty of young leadership such as rws, that beatboxing hat guy ,and fishmech
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2020 is a census year so not to be too accelerationist, but if Trump fucks up royally dems could pull the same poo poo reps did in 2010.
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Al! posted:the democratic party has plenty of young leadership such as rws, that beatboxing hat guy ,and fishmech And zoux
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zegermans posted:2020 is a census year so not to be too accelerationist, but if Trump fucks up royally dems could pull the same poo poo reps did in 2010. Yea. But we aren't gonna pull that poo poo off unless we can be perceived as actually wanting change. Forget everything about the past and come up with a new message that's different than "well our candidate is going to be more of the same you've had for the past 8 years"
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Tight Booty Shorts posted:Do tell, where do you think the future of the party is? Is it Chelsea Clinton? idfk that's kind of the problem though
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Tight Booty Shorts posted:Yea. But we aren't gonna pull that poo poo off unless we can be perceived as actually wanting change. Forget everything about the past and come up with a new message that's different than "well our candidate is going to be more of the same you've had for the past 8 years" What if they want to genocide all Muslims, but will also dispense tax refunds in the form of weed?
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zegermans posted:2020 is a census year so not to be too accelerationist, but if Trump fucks up royally dems could pull the same poo poo reps did in 2010. pretty much the best case scenario at this point. 2016 was sort of a "pick your poison" year for dems. I think if Hillary had been elected we might have seen a 2020 GOP wave with Tom Cotton, which would bring us 1,000 years of darkness as it is now, we may get 1,000 years of darkness anyway but who knows 
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zegermans posted:What if they want to genocide all Muslims, but will also dispense tax refunds in the form of weed? Isn't that pretty much the Libertarian platform?
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zegermans posted:What if they want to genocide all Muslims, but will also dispense tax refunds in the form of weed? Idk what your obsession with mentioning weed is. Are you butt hurt that no one asked you to join the circle when you were in high school?
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Exactly. Is this approach so hard? I don't know poo poo about economics and even I can see the Carrier deal as basically negotiating with terrorists. The big corporations, the ones beholden to shareholders, have to threaten to outsource in exchange for tax breaks now. They now have a fiduciary responsibility to ship jobs overseas. It's the exact opposite of Trump's main platform and he hasn't even taken the oath yet.
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I think we maybe shouldn't just poo poo on Obama constantly since he's still really popular. Just acknowledge he did some good things, the Republicans are going to gently caress them up, and we should do better in the future to make the good things we accomplish permanent. Maybe explain the reason the good things weren't permanent is partly because we didn't go out and vote in off years and we need to do better in the future. Yes, Obama could have done more to build up the party at the state level. But the voters also need to take some responsibility for being disengaged, too. Yeah he hosed up Syria. But he didn't bomb Iran, opened up a deal with them to help normalize relations, and opened up with Cuba. Those are both accomplishments that, while maybe not permanent, can set a future precedent.
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Nocturtle posted:I don't follow Democrat party politics too closely, but mainstream political opposition to Trump's nascent presidency from progressives/Democrats seems to be entirely centered around a single 75 year man. Is Sanders just getting all the media attention right now, or is the Democrat bench really that shallow? I'm just casually skimming news + magazine websites, but I see Sanders appearing in Rolling Stone and on the Late Show and no other prominent Democrats. Maybe I'm just missing stuff. hillary clinton has spent the past 20 years destroying every strong democrat who could be a threat to her and replacing them with clinton shills. now all the clinton shills have scurried away
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Nocturtle posted:I don't follow Democrat party politics too closely, but mainstream political opposition to Trump's nascent presidency from progressives/Democrats seems to be entirely centered around a single 75 year man. Is Sanders just getting all the media attention right now, or is the Democrat bench really that shallow? I'm just casually skimming news + magazine websites, but I see Sanders appearing in Rolling Stone and on the Late Show and no other prominent Democrats. Maybe I'm just missing stuff. from that rolling stone article quote:He had fans among Republicans (some called him an "honest liberal") and many detractors among Democrats, who often grew weary of his lectures about the perils of over-reliance on donations from big business and Wall Street. pretty much sounds like exactly what hosed us with hillary
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Tight Booty Shorts posted:Idk what your obsession with mentioning weed is. Are you butt hurt that no one asked you to join the circle when you were in high school? You said literally the only thing Obama had to do to be a great president was legalize it, at which point I determined that you have nothing of value to say further, because your perspective is utterly warped around your addiction.
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Mr. Jive posted:Exactly. Is this approach so hard? It's all going according to plan. Corporate tax cuts, a few token jobs get to stay in the US to make the base happy. The rest of the jobs get sent to other countries. Education gets cut so people can't learn about what's happening, and the cycle repeats again.
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zegermans posted:You said literally the only thing Obama had to do to be a great president was legalize it, at which point I determined that you have nothing of value to say further, because your perspective is utterly warped around your addiction. Hm. I didn't think that there were still people that believed unironically what their DARE officer told them. Good job on reminding me why drug legalization is an important issue, especially for minorities.
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zegermans posted:You said literally the only thing Obama had to do to be a great president was legalize it, at which point I determined that you have nothing of value to say further, because your perspective is utterly warped around your addiction. this post is like if I ate taco bell and took the diarrhea from my rear end in a top hat and digitized it
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zegermans posted:I'm gonna go with "good thing that happened" is better than "better thing that did not happen". Turns out that always aiming for "good thing that happened" to the exclusion of "better thing that actually fixes the problem" leads to you losing the entire federal government to a bunch of madmen and fascists, so I dunno if I'm very inclined to agree with you.
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Cerebral Bore posted:Turns out that always aiming for "good thing that happened" to the exclusion of "better thing that actually fixes the problem" leads to you losing the entire federal government to a bunch of madmen and fascists, so I dunno if I'm very inclined to agree with you. Maybe Obama should have just let the entire auto industry fold, I'm sure then we'd all be posting about his great accelerationist vision.
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