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FlamingLiberal posted:I give Star Trek some slack on the lack of gay characters considering the show was on in some fashion from 1987-2005, which compared to today were the dark ages for Gay America. When Enterprise went off the air states were still in the middle of passing gay marriage bans.
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I just got to Hard Time in my rewatch of DS9. Jeez, that one is the ultimate "gently caress you, O'Brien" episode. Not even in a comical way.
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Sorry we brain tortured you for what seemed like 20 years. No hard feelings? Bump it.
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Yeah, bad enough they made his wife a kid, his best friend a founder, and above all, a standing desk in an empty transporter room for 7 years.
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FlamingLiberal posted:I get the impression that at least some people on the original show and the spinoffs wanted to do some gay issues but were rebuffed by the network for the most part. The only real way to write it back then was to do things very subtly like they did with Garak, who absolutely seems written as bisexual. There was a script(?) for an AIDs episode that never got made. Also, Frakes argued that the monogendered planet where Riker falls in love with someone should have been dudes, but they nixed it.
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MorgaineDax posted:For anyone still thinking about it and is on the fence, these two books are amazing. I bought them both today. I wasn't expecting to suddenly own two books I could probably kill someone with. Jesus wept.
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WickedHate posted:There was a script(?) for an AIDs episode that never got made. http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Undeveloped_Star_Trek%3A_The_Next_Generation_episodes#.22Blood_and_Fire.22
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Cojawfee posted:Sorry we brain tortured you for what seemed like 20 years. No hard feelings? Bump it. I think I've said it before, but I love Colm Meaney's performance in that episode. O'Brien always had a cheerful sort of peevishness about him, and you can really see it's absence later on in the episode when O'Brien is genuinely loosing his poo poo. Also like the Gangster planet episode and the space hippie episode, I feel like all trek series should have an episode with that premise
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Dec 1, 2016 03:41
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Oh, and Whoopi Goldberg demanded she tell Lal "when two people fall in love" rather than "a man and a woman".
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The Fuzzy Hulk posted:but these are the same writers that made the later seasons of Heroes, Voyager pocket books, and Eight Legged Freaks.
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Knormal posted:The Voyager books are better than Voyager the show. That isn't hard to do. Even by Star Trek book standards.
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Dec 1, 2016 04:42
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I guarantee you that O'Brien and Bashir accidentally gazed too deeply into each others eyes one time while getting drunk and had to avoid each other for a couple of days.
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Pwnstar posted:I guarantee you that O'Brien and Bashir accidentally gazed too deeply into each others eyes one time while getting drunk and had to avoid each other for a couple of days. Probably after they did that Battle of Britain holodeck program.
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WickedHate posted:Oh, and Whoopi Goldberg demanded she tell Lal "when two people fall in love" rather than "a man and a woman". After she brought it up the director and writers on set decided to have two men on a date in the background, but someone leaked to the studio and they stormed down to stop it. MikeJF fucked around with this message at 08:23 on Dec 1, 2016 |
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Arglebargle III posted:More like godboat. What does God need with a boat?
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MikeJF posted:After she brought it up the director and writers on set decided to have two men on a date in the background, but someone leaked to the studio and they stormed down to stop it. The director would be none other than Frakes, on his first directing job.
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So when you find out Julian is an Übermensch they say that genetic engineering is illegal unless done for legitimate medical reasons which is why they had to cover it up. But he had a severe mental/learning disability, not being able to tell the difference between dogs and cats or houses and trees at the age of six. How is that not a reason to let them try and fix up his brain?
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Pwnstar posted:So when you find out Julian is an Übermensch they say that genetic engineering is illegal unless done for legitimate medical reasons which is why they had to cover it up. But he had a severe mental/learning disability, not being able to tell the difference between dogs and cats or houses and trees at the age of six. How is that not a reason to let them try and fix up his brain? According to Federation medicine, that put him at the very very low end of "normal," not quite enough to qualify as severe enough problems to warrant genetic engineering.
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Yeah they could have made him a diplomat to the Pakled's or something. I'm sure rights groups have normalized all sorts of disabilities and mental illnesses as just not being "neurotypical" and any attempt to fix them is seen as not just dangerously playing god but an attack on a marginalized group. It's not like anyone needs to work or have high career aspirations. Hell maybe people with severe learning disabilities have a big advocacy group and culture that says any attempt at fixing them would be genocide, not unlike capital D deaf culture today.
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Also, rather than just fixing the disability, they augmented him with superior intellect, memory, and reflexes.
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And ability to recite numbers to way too many decimal places.
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Data Graham posted:And ability to recite numbers to way too many decimal places. Significant figures have become obsolete in the 24th century
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WhiteHowler posted:Also, rather than just fixing the disability, they augmented him with superior intellect, memory, and reflexes. I kind of feel like this would be the result of it being illegal as much as anything After all its no more illegal to turn their kid into a super genius than to just make him average, why not go for broke?
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Earth outlawed genetic engineering because they watched Gattaca while baked one night and got existentially terrified.
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Rhyno posted:Enterprise 3x12 ends with Archer basically saying "gently caress you and gently caress religion." And then he let an entire race die off as an offering to his god Evolution
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Reading between the lines I think it's easy to come away with the inference that Julian's disability might not actually have been that bad. Even still, it's creepy to think if you're too dumb or have dyslexia or whatever your parents might decide to erase who you are in exchange for a completely different kid who does math well and happens to be wearing your skin.memory alpha posted:"Jules, you don't understand. You never did... "
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Come to think of it USS Shenzhou is probably named after the series of early 21st century spacecraft.
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I want to see an asian scify that's traditionally always been like 90% chinese actors and culture in their future setting suddenly introduce the USS APOLLO FREEDOMSHIP captained by Captain John Smith, a cowboy, to court the american audience.
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Baronjutter posted:I want to see an asian scify that's traditionally always been like 90% chinese actors and culture in their future setting suddenly introduce the USS APOLLO FREEDOMSHIP captained by Captain John Smith, a cowboy, to court the american audience.  
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Baronjutter posted:Yeah they could have made him a diplomat to the Pakled's or something. I'm sure rights groups have normalized all sorts of disabilities and mental illnesses as just not being "neurotypical" and any attempt to fix them is seen as not just dangerously playing god but an attack on a marginalized group. It's not like anyone needs to work or have high career aspirations. Hell maybe people with severe learning disabilities have a big advocacy group and culture that says any attempt at fixing them would be genocide, not unlike capital D deaf culture today. I wish they'd take more risks like this because hey, even if it isn't what we currently might consider right or normal it's an interesting extrapolation on what a future society with different technologies and social mores might be like and how they'd look back at ours, the same way we look back at how people dealt with say, plagues before antibiotics or population control before reliable prophylactics. Or Picard's bemused annoyance at the 80s stockbroker's obsession with wealth and materialism in "The Neutral Zone".
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Doggles posted:Is this close enough? Japan's Power Rangers had a recent season based on ninjas (Shuriken Sentai Ninninger). One of the rangers who shows up later is a cowboy whose morpher is a cheeseburger. Starninger Trek; I could get into that. Also, you forgot that his mecha is a massive wheeled bison which turns into a colossal cowboy as well 
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override367 posted:And then he let an entire race die off as an offering to his god Evolution With every episode Archer continues to become the best Captain.
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Blade_of_tyshalle posted:Starninger Trek; I could get into that. Ninninger is a terrible show. You know what was a great show with a super American giant robot? G Gundam! WickedHate fucked around with this message at 20:47 on Dec 1, 2016 |
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Heads-up -- the DS9 DVD re-release is currently listed with a release date of February 7 with an MSRP of $144.99, so Amazon being Amazon, that price is almost certain to go down.
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Baronjutter posted:I want to see an asian scify that's traditionally always been like 90% chinese actors and culture in their future setting suddenly introduce the USS APOLLO FREEDOMSHIP captained by Captain John Smith, a cowboy, to court the american audience. 
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I would loving love this. Have some white trash show up later wielding empty beer cans and baseball bats to make it better.
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Pretty much in love with this idea
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MrJacobs posted:I would loving love this. Have some white trash show up later wielding empty beer cans and baseball bats to make it better. The elite guard are military/police drop-outs and discharges with mismatched and inappropriately coloured camouflage gear who are also wearing a bunch of tacticool gear they don't even need.
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Doggles posted:Is this close enough? Japan's Power Rangers had a recent season based on ninjas (Shuriken Sentai Ninninger). One of the rangers who shows up later is a cowboy whose morpher is a cheeseburger. I see nothing wrong with this.
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The role of genetic engineering is one of those things that will look really dated to future generations and it's treatment maybe even considered downright barbaric. I mean I understand the "message" behind it but it's morally very questionable not to make everyone super smart/healthy/strong etc. if you had the possibility (the only issues arises when such a treatment is limited to certain people/groups but that's really not different to medicine in general). I guess it will also look kinda stupid that genetic adjustments (=being "too" smart) somehow makes you a super villain (well it already did look stupid when you thought about it).
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