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Fullhouse posted:limousine Liberals are waaaaaaaaay more terrified of Sanders Socialism than the white middle class GOP base is Not really
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Venom Snake posted:Not really while the other elites they tried so hard to kowtow to are dumping them in favor of the GOP, like they've always done
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The people most scared of socialism in the dem party are your webs and blue dog types. Limousine liberals literally could not give a hot gently caress who is in charge of what edit: of course I'm probably thinking of a different meaning of LL's than you are possibly. celebs aren't scared of socialism but the rich fucks in NY sure are.
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Crowsbeak posted:No. The Financial Elite Four are screwing you. Time to make them pay.
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Venom Snake posted:edit: of course I'm probably thinking of a different meaning of LL's than you are possibly. celebs aren't scared of socialism but the rich fucks in NY sure are. the fact that they're abandoning the democrats again for the GOP is so loving precious and the DNC seems to keep forgetting that
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Venom Snake posted:The people most scared of socialism in the dem party are your webs and blue dog types. Limousine liberals literally could not give a hot gently caress who is in charge of what Jim Webb and his voters probably hear "socialist" and think "those people that threw a grenade at me in '67", yeah.
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So is the party actually getting out of the way for Ellison or is the factionalism just not clearly defined? I'm curious if the media hit pieces about him are the last gasp or is the old guard getting ready to selfsabotage a la UK Labour. WE BREXITED SO LET'S BLAME CORBYN! The logic of a winning party.
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Here's a good article from a conversation between pollsters in the Trump and Hillary camps. Some excerpts; Fabrizio (R) and Benenson (D):quote:Fabrizio said that the campaign modeled a number of ways in which they could lose the popular vote by as much as four percentage points—they are currently down by about 2.5 million votes (nearly 2 percentage points) at this stage—and still win the Electoral College. Trump won the Electoral College with a 10,000-vote margin in Michigan, a 22,000-vote margin in Wisconsin and a 46,000-vote margin in Pennsylvania.
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Aurubin posted:So is the party actually getting out of the way for Ellison or is the factionalism just not clearly defined? I'm curious if the media hit pieces about him are the last gasp or is the old guard getting ready to selfsabotage a la UK Labour. WE BREXITED SO LET'S BLAME CORBYN! The logic of a winning party. Schumer doesn't strike me as the sort of guy that would support Ellison just because he has a Machiavellian scheme for the Ellison DNC to screw the pooch in 2020 and make everyone's lives even more miserable just to make sure the Clintonite faction gets the DNC back.
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The 50 Democratic State Chairmen don't care about the Israel stuff in the news recently. https://twitter.com/gdebenedetti/status/804825711919923200 What they all do seem to care about is the lack of support they received from the national campaign. All candidates promising to fix that. https://twitter.com/jmartNYT/status/804808910787977217 https://twitter.com/jmartNYT/status/804809145555750916 https://twitter.com/jmartNYT/status/804812139303202816 Jamie Harrison hitting Obama over the Dakota pipeline protests https://twitter.com/jmartNYT/status/804812401635901442 Ray Buckley hitting Clinton's overindulgence in data instead messaging. https://twitter.com/jmartNYT/status/804817902209744897 Keith Ellison is weighting resigning his House seat if he becomes DNC Chairman. https://twitter.com/gdebenedetti/status/804825845495984129
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Venom Snake posted:The people most scared of socialism in the dem party are your webs and blue dog types. Limousine liberals literally could not give a hot gently caress who is in charge of what ya entertainers make a bunch of money off people paying them for services and branded goods, basically. meanwhile ny rich people make a shitload of money off wage-theft.
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in a bid to win the DNC race Keith announces he is resigning from congress so he can do it full time and appearing on Chapo Trap House
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Anime Schoolgirl posted:do they not get that those can be addressed at the same time Generally if someone says that and doesn't get it when I point out that it'd be like saying "first sexism, THEN racism", they're stuck on the central enemy of intersectionality being the cis het white man so trying to put the majority of cis het white dude's issues onto the same level as non-white/non-cis/non-het/etc people's issues is suspicious to them. Also if they're petty bourgeois enough I get accused of Marxist class essentialism when I try to talk about how you can't even properly fight something like racism without at some level also attacking capitalism.
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OhFunny posted:The 50 Democratic State Chairmen don't care about the Israel stuff in the news recently. you should probably stick to one, maybe two key tweets. Twitter storms are probe worthy, edit quick!  he does make a good point about leadership, now more than ever.
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OhFunny posted:The 50 Democratic State Chairmen don't care about the Israel stuff in the news recently. Nice
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DrProsek posted:Generally if someone says that and doesn't get it when I point out that it'd be like saying "first sexism, THEN racism", they're stuck on the central enemy of intersectionality being the cis het white man so trying to put the majority of cis het white dude's issues onto the same level as non-white/non-cis/non-het/etc people's issues is suspicious to them.
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Lastgirl posted:you should probably stick to one, maybe two key tweets. Twitter storms are probe worthy, edit quick! That's a dumb rule, it should be based on how relevant/good the tweets are.
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DrProsek posted:Generally if someone says that and doesn't get it when I point out that it'd be like saying "first sexism, THEN racism", they're stuck on the central enemy of intersectionality being the cis het white man so trying to put the majority of cis het white dude's issues onto the same level as non-white/non-cis/non-het/etc people's issues is suspicious to them. Sounds like you're talking to somebody who's gonna vote for a Democrat or a Green party loon regardless so move the gently caress on brother
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jaime harrison worked for the podesta group, remember
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Where's some good articles on the Clinton campaign neglecting her rustbelt groundgame? I saw some great ones posted to SA about people begging for resources but getting denied but I can't find them
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there is a certain type of liberal that really does want the continued ability to punch down at the working class in my experience this is especially true of Performatively Woke White Liberals smh you don't have to love everyone in a progressive coalition, you just have to align enough to vote for progressives!!
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Accretionist posted:Where's some good articles on the Clinton campaign neglecting her rustbelt groundgame? I saw some great ones posted to SA about people begging for resources but getting denied but I can't find them I'm the burned out trailer park that was visited by canvassers.
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Accretionist posted:Where's some good articles on the Clinton campaign neglecting her rustbelt groundgame? I saw some great ones posted to SA about people begging for resources but getting denied but I can't find them https://www.jacobinmag.com/2016/11/clinton-campaign-gotv-unions-voters-rust-belt/
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LinYutang posted:there is a certain type of liberal that really does want the continued ability to punch down at the working class
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anime was right posted:jaime harrison worked for the podesta group, remember IMPURE! IMPURE! PURGE THE HERETIC CRUSH THE FLESH SALT THE WOUND RARARARAAGHSHSAHL
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anime was right posted:jaime harrison worked for the podesta group, remember he's right tho we do need leadership just not his  Ace of Baes posted:That's a dumb rule, it should be based on how relevant/good the tweets are. They are good, relevant tweets, just be careful is all.  The rule is there because during the election, some people were just twitter dumping, even if it was relevant, it was kind of a nuisance since it was ongoing and it just filled up everything during the final few weeks.
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anime was right posted:jaime harrison worked for the podesta group, remember CFAP has been anti-obama and anti-clinton recently which might point at a collapse of support for Obama and HRC among the entire establishment
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Accretionist posted:Where's some good articles on the Clinton campaign neglecting her rustbelt groundgame? I saw some great ones posted to SA about people begging for resources but getting denied but I can't find them http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/11/rust-belt-democrats-saw-trump-wave-coming
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Anime Schoolgirl posted:i'm pretty sure their agenda is laid bare at that point, they're trying really hard not to say "gently caress the poor" AngryBooch posted:Sounds like you're talking to somebody who's gonna vote for a Democrat or a Green party loon regardless so move the gently caress on brother Oh yeah, these are absolutely the kind of people that would agree they're against classism but then will praise tech companies for supporting transgender bathroom rights while at the same time they quietly try to ethnically cleanse parts of California of its poor mostly non-white underclass. burnishedfume has issued a correction as of 01:05 on Dec 3, 2016 |
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DrProsek posted:Oh yeah, these are absolutely the kind of people that would agree they're against classism but then will praise tech companies for supporting transgender bathroom rights while at the same time they quietly try to ethnically cleanse parts of California of its poor mostly non-white underclass. https://twitter.com/pixelatedboat/status/803042190377091072
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Crowsbeak posted:No. The Financial Elites are screwing you. Time to make them pay.  And that's how you follow up my points. Or, start with that, give the ways they're screwing the professional and working classes, and repeat it at the end. Drill it in. Anime Schoolgirl posted:people have been saying this in the 80s, the 00s, and the only fault with it is that it doesn't fit in a 5 second soundbyte, as opposed to blaming minorities which does I know my post is basically preaching to the choir, b/c all/most of us in this thread get it, Bernie supporters get it, and a lot of Hillary supporters get it, but a lot of conservatives and on-the-fence voters don't. Bernie's stump was good at driving home the economic divide, without fully explaining it: "You're working longer hours for lower pay, but all of that new wealth is going to the top 1%." How? Why? It's a nice quick soundbite, but it doesn't say how that money's going to the top, why that money's going to the top and that those people at the top are actively screwing their employees by selling them snake oil policies. Even Hillary said that trickle-down economics isn't working and is a policy that needs massive overhaul in one of the debates, but didn't explain why and how. If you're someone like my conservative mother who opposes minimum wage hikes because prices will go up and she hasn't seen an increase in her income in 10 years, how do you, as a politician, explain to her why her vote, in economic terms, is bad for her? I can do it, have done it, and she is beginning to understand it after lengthy conversations, but she's a dedicated conservative Republican. However, as this election has demonstrated, there are a lot of on-the-fence voters (most, I'd argue) who know that trickle-down isn't working, but they just don't know how and why it isn't unless they're in a union or are a leftist wonk. It needs to go further than just being a cute quick partisan political tweet and actually inform the American people outside these circles. I don't think that my sample message is best, but I think it is of a length that can easily fit into a 30-second political ad. I think I addressed workers and professionals, addressed the problems their having with wage stagnation and deflation, how their bosses and investors take advantage of them, and how the law takes advantage of them. The only thing is that I didn't close it out by saying, "This is how it is working: the people at the top are screwing you both at work and through government influence." e. sorry, this got kinda DnD.
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LinYutang posted:humans of new york is doing a feature on Macomb County, Michigan humans of new york started as a way to evoke empathy for the foreign exotic urban residents, so it's not altogether surprising that the project would move in this direction
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Subjunctivitis posted:e. sorry, this got kinda DnD.
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Oh Snapple! posted:
Entire thread has been worth it for this exchange imo
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The Power Rangers guy is at the DNC meeting saying Ellison wants to drive Israelis into the sea.
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Joementum posted:The Power Rangers guy is at the DNC meeting saying Ellison wants to drive Israelis into the sea. Israel has some excellent beaches!
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Joementum posted:The Power Rangers guy is at the DNC meeting saying Ellison wants to drive Israelis into the sea. As long as he doesn't argue for the reinstatement of DWS.
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Joementum posted:The Power Rangers guy is at the DNC meeting saying Ellison wants to drive Israelis into the sea. I'm behind on the joke, who's Power Rangers guy?
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DrProsek posted:I'm behind on the joke, who's Power Rangers guy? Haim Saban
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Joementum posted:The Power Rangers guy is at the DNC meeting saying Ellison wants to drive Israelis into the sea. Literally drew gasps from the crowd when he said it. DrProsek posted:I'm behind on the joke, who's Power Rangers guy? Haim Saban of Saban Entertainment. Which owns Power Rangers. Big Democrat donor. https://twitter.com/DemPartyPodcast This Twitter account has been closely following Q&A session between the State Chairs and Kieth Ellison, Jamie Harrison, and Ray Buckley. A lot of common theme's being said by all three. The most radical changes are being proposed by Ray Buckley. Midterm conventions, the 8 under officers being able to overrule the DNC Chair by vote, is open to a co-chair. One to do the nuts and bolts and one to be the face and push the policy.
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