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Dec 6, 2016 03:03
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Crazycryodude posted:Focus research on teaching methods Bears are the worst threat to humankind's peace, freedom, and honey reserves.
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Dec 6, 2016 03:18
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AJ_Impy posted:We want peace. Prepare for war. Dove, but yea on war economy, expeditionary force recruitment, the Peacemaker robo miners and defences on Niflheim. I am replicating AJ_Impy's vote.
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Dec 6, 2016 06:14
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... the first battles of the Second Human-Bulrathi War were unprecedented in the scale of violence exhibited. Frigates had been lost in engagements over the First Human-Bulrathi War, and stationary defenses overwhelmed, but ultimately the bloodshed of that war was limited in scope and its resolution a simple return to status quo ante bellum. By contrast, the First Battle of Outer Ellq System saw three frigates and three cruisers from the Human Republic Space Fleet face off against eight frigates, one cruiser, and a fixed fortification of the Imperial Fleet. By the end of the battle, the pride of the Imperial Fleet was savaged, with every ship they had committed to the battle sunk. Space Fleet fared better, but nonetheless the Davy Crockett and the Striker were lost in action, with the Hugh Glass nearly crippled by Bulrathi fire. Some few Human and Bulrathi survivors were recovered from the hulks of the destroyed vessels, but the immense power of the weaponry used meant that very few of the crew on destroyed ships survived, and then only on compartments not directly breached by hostile weapons. Space Fleet had little time to rest, however, as the newly-commissioned Imperial Fleet battleship Emperor Grorvorg attacked the surviving ships of Space Fleet shortly after the First Battle of Outer Ellq System. The Hugh Glass fought courageously, evading the battleship as long as it could, but eventually succumbed to long-range missile fire. The escort frigates, for their part, were able to keep range open and fend off the majority of incoming missile fire, and the Emperor Grorvorg lacked the maneuverability to evade long-range shipkiller torpedo fire, eventually being lost with all its crew save eleven survivors. The already heavily-damaged Huscarl was further damaged and the Paladin suffered some loss of function from the Emperor Grorvorg's fire, but nonetheless all three frigates survived the battle. The true death toll of the Second Battle of Outer Ellq System, however, came when the Emperor Grorvorg suceeded in running down the Human troop transports at the edge of the battle and unleashing its full firepower. Fourty million Human soldiers died in minutes as their transports were savaged. Meanwhile, of course, the Bulrathi-sponsored campaign of assassination and guerilla engagements had brought the Human capital of Earth to chaos, leaving the other worlds of Humanity to fight on as authorities on the ancient Human homeworld struggled to restore order... nweismuller fucked around with this message at 05:43 on Apr 22, 2017 |
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Dec 6, 2016 07:34
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Sounds like exactly the grinding war of annihilation we enjoy so much here in the defense industry OOC: Is that an actual teaser or just a dire portent of things that may come?
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Dec 6, 2016 07:39
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That is an actual teaser. I will say that, given Bulrathi intelligence actions before we actually declared war, they earned the war we brought upon their heads.
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Dec 6, 2016 07:40
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drat, 40 MILLION dead because some space bears got through the screen. I know it's really just a single transport with 4 Marine units in game terms, but drat. More people just died in the space of a few hours than the better part of WWII. Now I feel kinda bad. E: Staying clinical about it, though, our losses would be an acceptable trade for just the Emperor Grorvorg, and it sounds like we bagged a large portion of the entire fleet. TYW is very proud that their foresight in torpedo armament was so effective. Also, Bulra delenda est. I'm already thinking about the hawk speech Senator Lyle the 2nd is going to give Crazycryodude fucked around with this message at 07:56 on Dec 6, 2016 |
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Dec 6, 2016 07:44
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Crazycryodude posted:drat, 40 MILLION dead because some space bears got through the screen. I know it's really just a single transport with 4 Marine units in game terms, but drat. More people just died in the space of a few hours than the better part of WWII. Now I feel kinda bad. Trust me, don't feel too bad. The revolt on Earth? The bears started it before the war, and at that point I am intending to plow through their Empire until their capacity to threaten us is neutered. E: Also, the decision to fit shiphunter variant torpedoes on the escorts proved to be the deciding factor that won us our battles, because they're effective enough to actually hit things that way. Our escort frigates weren't our primary firepower, but they allowed us to keep putting fire on target even after we lost our space control cruisers. nweismuller fucked around with this message at 07:55 on Dec 6, 2016 |
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Dec 6, 2016 07:50
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To all of you who believed there could ever be peace with the Bulrathi: I told you so. This will now be much bloodier than if we'd crushed them early.
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Dec 6, 2016 07:57
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Lamia Domina posted:To all of you who believed there could ever be peace with the Bulrathi: I told you so. Bulra delenda est Looking forward to seeing how the horrors of the Second Bulrathi War influence Republic foreign policy in the coming decades.
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Dec 6, 2016 08:00
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Lamia Domina posted:To all of you who believed there could ever be peace with the Bulrathi: I told you so. I'd say you've earned the right for an 'I told you so'. E: For reference, as of 2560, the scorecard for the war: Bulrathi Losses: Two border defense stations in Ellq Eight frigates One cruiser One battleship Human Losses: One frigate (the Paladin) Three cruisers (our entire space control cruiser force) 40 million ground troops Ten years of communications and computing blackout due to sabotage on Paradise An ongoing breakdown of civil order on Earth Human forces in Ellq: The Arbalest and Huscarl (Arbalest somewhat damaged, Huscarl heavily damaged) 160 million troops The Peacemaker (inbound, ETA 3 years) The Industrious (inbound, ETA 4 years) The Chevalier (inbound, ETA 6 years) Bulrathi forces in Ellq: 90 million troops on Korga Orbital missile base and star base around Korga One frigate nweismuller fucked around with this message at 08:15 on Dec 6, 2016 |
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Dec 6, 2016 08:01
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Crazycryodude posted:Ladies and gentlemen, we are knee deep in an unprovoked war of aggression, one wherein we simply cannot accept any but the harshest of peace settlements, if we negotiate a settlement at all. To accept anything but the complete neutralization of the Bulrathi state, in perpetuity, sends the message that humanity will forgive such betrayal on the part of those we were once prepared to call friends. I told you so 
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Dec 6, 2016 08:07
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I am formally requesting suggestions for the name of our second Peacemaker vessel for when it is commissioned.
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Dec 6, 2016 08:17
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Pliny seems to be winning the initial vote.
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Dec 6, 2016 08:23
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nweismuller posted:I am formally requesting suggestions for the name of our second Peacemaker vessel for when it is commissioned. Death Penalty e: On more mature reflection, pull from the Nobel Peace Prize winners, living laureates excluded.
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Dec 6, 2016 08:23
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ManxomeBromide posted:Pliny seems to be winning the initial vote. Do you mean Cato? E: That said, I do think Scipio Africanus might be a decent name for the second Peacemaker... given that our objectives are more to lead the people of the Empire into a new prosperity under the Republic rather than raze them to the ground. And Scipio's intelligence, just and moderate nature, and dedication to the good of the Republic are probably worth honoring. What do people think? nweismuller fucked around with this message at 08:53 on Dec 6, 2016 |
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Dec 6, 2016 08:44
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I'm not sure it rolls off the tongue well, to be honest; Scipio alone is pretty nice, and Alexander or Ashoka would seem to be in a similar vein. That said, I have to say that naming a "Peacemaker" class after Roman generals brings to mind the old Tacitus quote about how they make a desert and call it peace. Tacitus apparently took the game engine update.
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Dec 6, 2016 09:03
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That is as may be, but Scipio in particular was noted for his moderation, to such an extent he got a great deal of willing cooperation from those he defeated. His policy in Hispania succeeded in making the Romans considered liberators, and the terms he placed on Carthage after defeating it both ensured Rome's security by dismantling Carthage's military and putting them in a tributary arrangement, as well as ensuring the continued prosperity of Carthage until Rome acted to utterly annihilate Carthage in the Third Punic War. (Which, from what I'm gathering, was basically because Carthage began a limited program of re-arming after suffering from ongoing raids from Numidia- it doesn't seem that Carthage was any genuine threat to Rome at any point after the Second Punic War which Scipio won.) This policy of behaving humanely and justly towards the defeated is a big part of why I'm considering Scipio Africanus. My policy in war will always be to avoid civilian casualties, attempting to incorporate territorial gains intact into the Republic where they can become citizens. nweismuller fucked around with this message at 09:12 on Dec 6, 2016 |
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Dec 6, 2016 09:07
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I haven't played the newer builds, but the AI seemed to place so much importance on spying that they never accepted demands to stop spying even from a player far, far stronger than them. They could at least just lie and continue to do it or something. I just stopped bothering to demand it and invade civilisations that were sabotaging me for reasons i presume will be similar to what we see next update. Plus the malus to espionage for the nice humans makes them irresistible targets for the AI.
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Dec 6, 2016 10:05
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I'm interested to see what the basis for the revolt is that a bunch of angry space bears got humans so riled up on their own capital. Revolts require animating grievances to be effective so I wonder what they appealed to. I like Scipio as a name.
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Dec 6, 2016 11:33
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nweismuller posted:Do you mean Cato? I don't know if anyone else does, but I do.
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Dec 6, 2016 12:38
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Bulra delenda est. (This is a vote for Cato)
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Dec 6, 2016 13:42
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I'm putting a vote down for Brennus. Vae victis!
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Dec 6, 2016 14:24
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Vote for Quintilius Varus so we can yell at it later
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Dec 6, 2016 15:12
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RedMagus posted:Vote for Quintilius Varus so we can yell at it later Pfft, as if the glorious republic could ever lose fleets to barbearians. 
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Dec 6, 2016 15:15
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RedMagus posted:Vote for Quintilius Varus so we can yell at it later   
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Dec 6, 2016 15:37
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Bulra delenda est. Cato, we're done playing nice.
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Dec 6, 2016 17:20
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Crazycryodude posted:Bulra delenda est. Agreed! Also, how will this affect foreign policy going forward? Will we be on a near-war footing every time we meet a new race? Keep trying to be friendly? Or will we adopt a 'one strike and you're out' position? 'Cos my vote's for the third option 
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Dec 6, 2016 18:58
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If we run into anyone within the next few decades I think the xenophobia will be pretty strong, but as the memories of the war fade and we have time to recover we'll be more willing to play nice. Still, I don't see us ever going back to the happy borderline pacifism we started with, this war is already too expensive to not learn our lesson. Personally, I think giving peace a chance at the start is a good idea, but if it goes south we finish the job fast, and on our terms. No more of this white peace just to have a much worse war next century business. In the end it's all up to Nweiss, of course.
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Dec 6, 2016 19:04
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So here's a thought. The ability to say "go to war, stay on war footing" is obvious, as is "play nice, get off war footing." The justification for "play nice, stay on war footing" can also be explained: just because we don't want to go to war doesn't mean we aren't ready to kick all of their asses. How would one justify "go to war, get off war footing"?
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Dec 6, 2016 19:04
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MechaCrash posted:So here's a thought. The ability to say "go to war, stay on war footing" is obvious, as is "play nice, get off war footing." The justification for "play nice, stay on war footing" can also be explained: just because we don't want to go to war doesn't mean we aren't ready to kick all of their asses. How would one justify "go to war, get off war footing"? Chickenhawks who want war but don't want to sacrifice anything for it? Not exactly unprecedented, just look at the US in recent years.
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Dec 6, 2016 19:09
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Humanity's vengeance must be swift. It must be terrible. It must come carrying the name of the most terrible scourge to have ever lived upon our world, one which brought even the greatest of the ancient empires to their knees and built one of the most magnificent in history from its ashes. We shall call this ship Genghis Khan. Stormgear fucked around with this message at 21:43 on Dec 6, 2016 |
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Dec 6, 2016 21:34
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GunnerJ posted:I'm interested to see what the basis for the revolt is that a bunch of angry space bears got humans so riled up on their own capital. Revolts require animating grievances to be effective so I wonder what they appealed to. Given that Earth has had 100% morale literally all game, I'm favoring an interpretation of this 'revolt' that is more based on ongoing campaigns of assassination and sabotage by Bulrathi agents to plunge the planet into chaos. Sneaking Bulrathi paramilitary teams onto the planet. We then need twenty years to clean up the mess.
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Dec 6, 2016 22:26
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Dove Edit I appear to have missed the fact that we are going to war anyways... Hm... the question become do we strive for peace or given the reaped madness of some of their leaders might they be better off under our government... Do we even have the forces to conquer them.
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Dec 6, 2016 23:08
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cokerpilot posted:Dove Orbital bombardment. Do not suffer the bears to live.
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Dec 6, 2016 23:17
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cokerpilot posted:Hm... the question become do we strive for peace or given the reaped madness of some of their leaders might they be better off under our government... Do we even have the forces to conquer them. Suffer not the alien to live On a less genocidal note, we can take them on the ground it will just be a long bloody slog. Negotiating a peace is NOT an option, the entire reason we're in this mess is because a century ago everyone wanted to peace out and be friends again. I'm not planning on riding this carousel a third time, Bulra delenda est.
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Dec 6, 2016 23:22
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Crazycryodude posted:On a less genocidal note, we can take them on the ground it will just be a long bloody slog. Negotiating a peace is NOT an option, the entire reason we're in this mess is because a century ago everyone wanted to peace out and be friends again. I'm not planning on riding this carousel a third time, Bulra delenda est. Oh, agreed. After what the Bulrathi did, I'm planning to incorporate them all (in a non-genocidal, humane manner). I'm favoring Scipio over Cato since I'm less favoring 'burning Bulra to the ground' and more 'liberating the bears of Bulra from their imperial overlords'. Humane conquest!
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Dec 6, 2016 23:26
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I do remember someone making a very passionate speech in favor of dealing with the problem called "The Bulrathi Empire" and bringing democracy to the people. 
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Dec 6, 2016 23:28
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I'd like to propose the name Cincinnatus. Not only did he set aside the dictatorship when he was finished with the job he came to do, he was also merciful to his defeated foes.
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Dec 6, 2016 23:32
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Another vote for Cincinnatus I think.
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Dec 7, 2016 02:38
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