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Tricky D posted:I live in Florida so you guys will have to forgive my ignorance, but is there a reason to not just leave your snow tires on all year round if you don't have much money and live in a place where it is likely to snow? You know how it's terribly unfashionable to wear white between Labor Day and Memorial Day? The opposite rule applies for snow tires.
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KoRMaK posted:Someone made a nice clip of that police car gettin it I love that it's the salt truck that smashes into it too.
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Dec 6, 2016 18:16
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A salt truck slipping and sliding and crashing on icy roads is like when the fire extinguisher catches on fire. Like what do you even do at that point???
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Dec 6, 2016 18:18
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Snowglobe of Doom posted:You know how it's terribly unfashionable to wear white between Labor Day and Memorial Day? The opposite rule applies for snow tires. That rule of fashion doesn't really apply in Florida because we don't have real seasons, but I see what you mean.
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Dec 6, 2016 18:19
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BattleMaster posted:A salt truck slipping and sliding and crashing on icy roads is like when the fire extinguisher catches on fire. Like what do you even do at that point??? Hire a non-idiot snow truck driver who knows from experience to salt and sand going uphill (using heated sand if possible), use truck chains on extra icy conditions and to sand by shovel where numerous heavy vehicles have polished the ice friction free by sliding down it. I mean for christ's sake.
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Dec 6, 2016 18:21
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Hollow Talk posted:As far as I know, winter tires do not just help with snow, but they use a different rubber mixture and tire profile, which means they perform better in colder temperatures, so even if you do not get any snow, they would probably still be a sensible investment if it gets cold at all where people live and drive. It probably doesn't help that many people call them "snow tires" rather than simply winter tires. After all, why would I need snow tires if it never snows?! You are entirely correct, a conventional tire is designed to work best once it has heated up so you are fighting the engineering in most tires by driving them in the snow/cold. Usually the rubber compound will have materials in it designed to give more points of contact with the road in addition for being formulated to adhere in cold. Jalopnik had a pretty decent article about this a couple years back: http://jalopnik.com/5720380/snow-tires-to-buy-or-not-to-buy
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Dec 6, 2016 18:32
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Gay Weed Dad posted:You are entirely correct, a conventional tire is designed to work best once it has heated up so you are fighting the engineering in most tires by driving them in the snow/cold. Usually the rubber compound will have materials in it designed to give more points of contact with the road in addition for being formulated to adhere in cold. Obviously we need tires with internal heating coils. >:V
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Hollow Talk posted:As far as I know, winter tires do not just help with snow, but they use a different rubber mixture and tire profile, which means they perform better in colder temperatures, so even if you do not get any snow, they would probably still be a sensible investment if it gets cold at all where people live and drive. It probably doesn't help that many people call them "snow tires" rather than simply winter tires. After all, why would I need snow tires if it never snows?! Chris Harris talks about snow tyre compound. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2zGYu-l7t0&t=426s
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Abyssal Squid posted:Obviously we need tires with internal heating coils. >:V 
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Hollow Talk posted:As far as I know, winter tires do not just help with snow, but they use a different rubber mixture and tire profile, which means they perform better in colder temperatures, so even if you do not get any snow, they would probably still be a sensible investment if it gets cold at all where people live and drive. It probably doesn't help that many people call them "snow tires" rather than simply winter tires. After all, why would I need snow tires if it never snows?!
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For what it's worth, I run Firestone Winterforce tires year round on my Subaru, and Astro AWD. I get over 45K from a set running them this way, and normally, they are significantly cheaper new than most good "all weather". Here in northern Ohio though, we seem to have a lot more winter-ish weather than summer.
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Hollow Talk posted:As far as I know, winter tires do not just help with snow, but they use a different rubber mixture and tire profile, which means they perform better in colder temperatures, so even if you do not get any snow, they would probably still be a sensible investment if it gets cold at all where people live and drive. It probably doesn't help that many people call them "snow tires" rather than simply winter tires. After all, why would I need snow tires if it never snows?! Yeah it's this. I can feel the improvement in cold weather every time I switch to just my non-studded winters; also all seasons are atrocious in snow.
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Yes, it's like a lava lamp.
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Why not walk?
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Arsenic Lupin posted:It's 7PM, they've predicted a snow storm for tomorrow, I'll just go out into the driveway and put on four snow tires, shall I? I am certain this would actually happen. The alternative is mandating that everybody buy snow tires, put them on in [say]December, and take them off in [say] April, which would be wildly unpopular in places that get snow for three or four days a year. They're winter tires, "snow tires" is an inaccurate colliquialism. They're not just for snow, they're for *cold temperatures*, when the temperature gets low enough for the rubber compounds in summer tires and "all-weather" tires to become more rigid and not grip as well. The tread patterns are better for snow, but aside from that the actual material of the tire provides way better traction below 45F. You don't put them on because there's an unexpected snowfall predicted for tomorrow, you put them on during the time of year when it's entirely predicted and expected for it to get cold out, and then you take them off again during the equally-predictable time called "Spring."
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Pinch Me Im Meming posted:Why not walk? Because walking on a slippery surface is much more deadly than driving (with a car) on a slippery surface? Sure you can put studs on your soles but you still only have two legs whereas a proper car has four tyres.
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Dec 6, 2016 19:52
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Jerry Cotton posted:Because walking on a slippery surface is much more deadly than driving (with a car) on a slippery surface? Sure you can put studs on your soles but you still only have two legs whereas a proper car has four tyres. I would love to see any sort of evidence for that, as living in a wintery city I'm pretty sure that's not true at all. Automobiles are dangerous as gently caress, walking not so much.
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Ak Gara posted:I love my studded tyres! So satisfying when everyone's driving at 10 mph and I'm flying along. I'm hoping it snows like crazy this year. Their cost to get-to-use ratio is quite bad. Probably why most don't have them. Excuse me but you mean brigandine tires.
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PittTheElder posted:I would love to see any sort of evidence for that, as living in a wintery city I'm pretty sure that's not true at all. Automobiles are dangerous as gently caress, walking not so much. If you slip while walking you fall over. Can't fall over in a car you dumb-rear end.
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once i slipped on ice while getting in my car (and fell on my broken shoulder)
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Mozi posted:once i slipped on ice while getting in my car At my mum's old place you had to park the car on top of a hill and the ground was pretty uneven even at the top so one Christmas or something I wondered where the gently caress my sister went because we were leaving already and then I heard her muffled voice from under the car where she'd slid as she was trying to get in. Good times.
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Jerry Cotton posted:At my mum's old place you had to park the car on top of a hill and the ground was pretty uneven even at the top so one Christmas or something I wondered where the gently caress my sister went because we were leaving already and then I heard her muffled voice from under the car where she'd slid as she was trying to get in. Good times. My stepdad's uncle died because he slipped on ice, cracked his head as he slid under the truck, and no one found him for several hours.
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Decrepus posted:Excuse me but you mean brigandine tires. I didn't know what that is so I googled it. "A brigandine is a form of body armour from the Middle Ages" I..er...what?
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Tricky D posted:That rule of fashion doesn't really apply in Florida because we don't have real seasons, but I see what you mean. Florida follows the seasons that most equatorial nations have: The wet season and the dry season.
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So does your average driver really not understand that locking all your wheels is not good if you want to steer? That was covered in driver's ed. before they ever let any of us near a car, you'd think older drivers would at least know to pump the brakes. Threshold braking might be a bit much to ask from someone not familiar with slippery conditions since the only way you really learn that is by doing a lot of slow driving with very little traction but still.
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Cop Porn Popper posted:How about something that exists, awd and studded tires. AWD or not, you're still braking with the same 4 wheels. As for studded tires, they really only make a difference on ice. I live in Sweden, and own one car with studded tires and one with non-studded winter tires. There's really no difference except the very rare times when you have serious ice on the road. Most of the time they act the same and I'd argue the non-studded ones perform better on dry roads (which is usually half the time here during winter tire season). FWIW, we live on a hill in the countryside with little to no snow plowing and even when it's been so bad you couldn't walk without falling over we still made it up. Learning to drive in snow and ice is half the battle.
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longview posted:So does your average driver really not understand that locking all your wheels is not good if you want to steer? This is North America we're talking about. Driver education is effectively non-existent, zero re-certification of drivers once you get a license the first time, in many jurisdictions there are no safety inspections of vehicles past their initial import. I would not be surprised at all if the majority of drivers, especially in places where snowfall is rare, never received any sort of winter driving training and has no idea what to do in that scenario.
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PittTheElder posted:This is North America we're talking about. Driver education is effectively non-existent, zero re-certification of drivers once you get a license the first time, in many jurisdictions there are no safety inspections of vehicles past their initial import. I would not be surprised at all if the majority of drivers, especially in places where snowfall is rare, never received any sort of winter driving training and has no idea what to do in that scenario. I think that's less education than common sense. If you have to have a class to explain to someone that ice/snow=slippery then they have problems.
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PittTheElder posted:This is North America we're talking about. Driver education is effectively non-existent, zero re-certification of drivers once you get a license the first time, in many jurisdictions there are no safety inspections of vehicles past their initial import. I would not be surprised at all if the majority of drivers, especially in places where snowfall is rare, never received any sort of winter driving training and has no idea what to do in that scenario. Also people are allowed to drive before they're allowed to drink which is like asking kids to drink and drive because hey you're breaking one law already why not break another and kill a few pedestrians while you're at it.
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Can anyone explain these signs? I see them up in places for months at a time for what looks like very minor guardrail damage. You're already sending people out there to put up a sign, maybe just fix the guardrail?
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Jerry Cotton posted:Oh hey let me present this thing that millions of people do and takes about twenty minutes as something outlandish. Look, I'm all for proper winter tires as the next person, but saying it takes only 20 minutes is a load of poo poo. Maybe, maybe if you had a whole set of winter wheels, not just tires, AND you had a garage or driveway with enough space to work, AND you had an impact wrench to take off the lug nuts, AND you have a good floor jack and not the lovely scissor jack that comes with the car, AND everything goes smoothly and none of the nuts or wheels are rusted into place, then yeah, maybe you can get it done in 20 minutes. But the average person has to make an appointment at a garage to get it done, and that can suck and depending on where you work/live, where a garage is, your work schedule, etc..., it isn't always an quick and easy thing to do.
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Continental DWS are fine. Best All Seasons I've ever used. I've driven all up and down the Northeast from Philly to Vermont in all kinds of snow and ice. Never had a slip or a skid with these tires. And I've had some poo poo all seasons in the past. These are on a whole different level.
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AreWeDrunkYet posted:Can anyone explain these signs?
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AreWeDrunkYet posted:Can anyone explain these signs? Installing/repairing guardrails will often require resetting posts, possibly digging new holes, and other processes that need fairly heavy equipment in often precarious positions. Consequently, it's often not an operation that can be done quickly or cheaply. It has to be planned, evaluated, signed off on by 15 different agencies, and finally budgeted for and scheduled. In contrast, they can get the extra caution sign up there using two men in a pickup in an afternoon.
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Easier to do something with a half rear end than a whole rear end.
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DrBouvenstein posted:Look, I'm all for proper winter tires as the next person, but saying it takes only 20 minutes is a load of poo poo. OK the first point I didn't even think about because everyone who lives in a place where Winter tyres are necessary does have two sets of wheels. To the other points: you're just slow and useless. The only specialty tool you need in addition to any jack is a cross wrench, and a length of pipe in case some of the bolts are rusted or too tight. Maybe add five minutes for wheezing and cursing if you're really fat.
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Jerry Cotton posted:OK the first point I didn't even think about because everyone who lives in a place where Winter tyres are necessary does have two sets of wheels. To the other points: you're just slow and useless. The only specialty tool you need in addition to any jack is a cross wrench, and a length of pipe in case some of the bolts are rusted or too tight. Maybe add five minutes for wheezing and cursing if you're really fat. I live in MN and only have one set of tires. BTW studded tires and chains are both illegal here.
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