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TheImmigrant posted:When it be objectively different when whites are no longer a majority, but a plurality? Yes, so long as they still hold elections do't go for full apartheid, mass deportations, or whatever. Historically, the idpol response to changing demographics has been to use those means to change the demographics. Maybe this time will be different.
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radmonger posted:Anything that is only subjectively true, given lived experience as a particular minority, is not going to win an election. Check a dictionary for confirmation if you doubt this. I was responding to this, maybe you should take a look. It is called sarcasm to swat down people who don't believe that AfAm suffering has continued to be and is an objective fact. Perhaps before consulting the rota, you should consider that I am on the side of swatting down the bigots, friend. radmonger posted:If that's the way you personally feel, I'd have to check the rota to see if it is my term to give you the 101.
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http://sports.yahoo.com/news/lebrons-business-partner-strikes-back-at-phil-jackson-over-posse-remark-041501487.htmlquote:When LeBron was playing with the Heat, they went to Cleveland and he wanted to spend the night. They don’t do overnights. Teams just don’t. So now (coach Erik) Spoelstra has to text Riley and say, ‘What do I do in this situation?’ And Pat, who has iron-fist rules, answers, ‘You are on the plane, you are with this team.’ You can’t hold up the whole team because you and your mom and your posse want to spend an extra night in Cleveland.
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This whole idpol slapfight is bizarre and just seems to me to be a way to not really address that Democrats have failed at everything. They still seem more committed to lip service than standing for anything. Look at how they are rushing to roll over for Trump all in the name of being the bigger man, as if that means anything or gotten anything accomplished. Even Bernie is doing that. Says it's good strategy all you want it still makes him look like he doesn't really have any conviction. The Dems lost because no one believes in them. I don't. I still have to vote for them because lip service is better than active hostility but I wish the politicians representing me had some courage.
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Eimi posted:This whole idpol slapfight is bizarre and just seems to me to be a way to not really address that Democrats have failed at everything. They still seem more committed to lip service than standing for anything. Look at how they are rushing to roll over for Trump all in the name of being the bigger man, as if that means anything or gotten anything accomplished. Even Bernie is doing that. Says it's good strategy all you want it still makes him look like he doesn't really have any conviction. The Dems lost because no one believes in them. I don't. I still have to vote for them because lip service is better than active hostility but I wish the politicians representing me had some courage. Give a concrete example of Bernie "rushing to roll over for Trump".
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Mr. Belding posted:Give a concrete example of Bernie "rushing to roll over for Trump". https://www.google.com/amp/amp.usatoday.com/story/93570734/?client=ms-android-verizon On my phone so no idea if that will work. Saying he is willing to work with him is dumb, especially before he can even propose something, good or bad. Even if it's just to be like "Oh I offered to work with him but he's not proposing anything good," is stupid because the only people who would give a drat are on Bernie's side already. The media will blame the Dems anyway so why bother pursuing this obsolete illusion of bipartisanship?
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Eimi posted:https://www.google.com/amp/amp.usatoday.com/story/93570734/?client=ms-android-verizon On my phone so no idea if that will work. Because a big reason people trust Bernie irregardless of the media is because he doesn't triangulate; he sticks to his values and beliefs. If he did what you're describing he would lose support among his supporters. Bernie says he'll work with him on good bills and oppose him on bad bills because that is exactly what he will do.
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Neurolimal posted:Because a big reason people trust Bernie irregardless of the media is because he doesn't triangulate; he sticks to his values and beliefs. If he did what you're describing he would lose support among his supporters. I hope so, and given his record he probably will unlike someone like Schumer. I still think it's an idiotic thing to say right now. And symptomatic about the issues facing the left right now. Trying to be the better person when the other side is mad is madness.
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berningman posted:To the degree that he pursues racist, sexist, xenophobic and anti-environment policies, we will vigorously oppose him. You don't get to call that rolling over and then be spoken to like an adult. Grow the gently caress up.
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Eimi posted:I hope so, and given his record he probably will unlike someone like Schumer. I still think it's an idiotic thing to say right now. And symptomatic about the issues facing the left right now. Trying to be the better person when the other side is mad is madness. No ideological purity is a problem on the left. That is you either 100% agree that everything Trump does or says is bad, or you are "running over to the other side." Bernie has already criticized Trump on many positions that he was prepared to work with Trump on, public-private partnerships for infrastructure for example. The Carrier factory deal, and of course the people Trump has been nominating to his cabinet.
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Mr. Belding posted:You don't get to call that rolling over and then be spoken to like an adult. Grow the gently caress up. You're right, after looking over his later tweets vs the substance of what was reported. And I am in a hysterical mood. Seeing that statement from him in the same of Obama's and Hillary's concessions really got to me.
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Dec 7, 2016 18:06
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the trump tutelage posted:Can you define a coherent category "white people" that doesn't also describe some other, non-white people? Easily. How about "anyone who wouldn't get murdered by a lynch mob for being caught in a sundown town after dark"?
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Main Paineframe posted:Easily. How about "anyone who wouldn't get murdered by a lynch mob for being caught in a sundown town after dark"? Where are these towns right now ?
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My biggest concern, beyond just winning elections and unifying the left, is that if this is how the social leftist side deals with policies they agree with but can't deal with cooperating on, what's going to happen if we ever reach a point where we can push leftist policy they might have actual qualms over? If we're getting insane berniebro spoiler conspiracies and crisis of unity over "tax the rich", where will these allies be over "this rapist does not deserve the death penalty" or "this klan member shouldn't be sent to a hellish private prison"? I always knew there would be some qualms to tackle, but the hyperhysterical tone and intense focus on payback/revenge and turning the tables on their oppressors has me concerned for issues like this. I know some posters will guffaw at this and have no issue siding with humane leftists, but these are the kind of fears instilled by this recent attitude over fiscal leftists. If the tear is not mended and we see two factions of dems from this, I'l have to side with those most willing to cooperate on these issues. Neurolimal fucked around with this message at 18:56 on Dec 7, 2016 |
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I'm not quite sure what a "social leftist" is if it includes people with a hardon for capital punishment.
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Motto posted:I'm not quite sure what a "social leftist" is if it includes people with a hardon for capital punishment.
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Dec 7, 2016 19:11
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Motto posted:I'm not quite sure what a "social leftist" is if it includes people with a hardon for capital punishment. Leftists focused on minority rights. I probably should have said such in-post. What I'm saying is, when your movement hold such extreme contempt even jokingly for white cis men, how are we to discern the side they come down on when an opportunity to dismantle capital punishment and revenge sentencing presents itself? If it's as easy as saying "rich people have minorities!" To cause strife in the party, how are we to feel secure in an alliance when it comes to topics they may actually hold emotional investment in? That they wont be pried away by less halfassed attempts to gain their allegiance?
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Motto posted:I'm not quite sure what a "social leftist" is if it includes people with a hardon for capital punishment. He's speaking about irony level 1 'white people suck' posting on the internet.
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The actual conversation among minority groups is more like 'stop demonizing us culturally and then murdering us openly on the streets without remorse or justice' but that's a stance too far because it makes people uncomfortable and introspective if they even bother to go that far
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Dec 7, 2016 19:21
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Sharkopath posted:He's speaking about irony level 1 'white people suck' posting on the internet. I mean, it started as ironic joke tumblrs and such, but we're at the point where it seems like every other day you get a vid of a social leftist flipping out at someone with a tshirt or sign they dont like and railing off these ironic jokes, oppression status is being used as a debate bludgeon, and a presidential candidate of one of the two biggest parties declared cyber war on a 4chan meme first we laughed at the memes, now we fear them
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I'm not sure where you think all of these fiscally conservative, socially left people are. I mean you can keep going on insinuating white dudes are the socialistic core of america but that doesn't make it remotely true. It's like somebody cloned a bunch of Ted Ralls and unleashed them on the forums.
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People tried to label a candidates name hate speech and demanded campus safe spaces because it was written with chalk where people could see it. A name. That's the kind of poo poo people associate with idpol. You can sit around and go on about how reasonable and right you are and I agree with you for the most part. But the refusal to acknowledge and combat the more ridiculous aspects of liberalism in a visible way is why you'll get people who see stories like above and just dismiss the left as a bunch of scared weak babies.
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Schizotek posted:I'm not sure where you think all of these fiscally conservative, socially left people are. I mean you can keep going on insinuating white dudes are the socialistic core of america but that doesn't make it remotely true. They werrn't exactly invisible during the primaries
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Neurolimal posted:They werrn't exactly invisible during the primaries Clearly anyone who voted for Clinton over MAH BERNIE couldn't have done so for any reason other than being a libertarian.
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Dec 7, 2016 19:49
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Crowsbeak posted:Where are these towns right now ? All over America; segregation in housing is de facto not de jure.
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stone cold posted:All over America; segregation in housing is de facto not de jure. Which should be fought, but are there towns full of whites who will lynch the next non white non straight person they see?
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stone cold posted:All over America; segregation in housing is de facto not de jure. Segregation in housing is probably not the same as lynching people for being in the wrong neighborhood after dark. e;fb
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Schizotek posted:Clearly anyone who voted for Clinton over MAH BERNIE couldn't have done so for any reason other than being a libertarian. It's this kind of overreaction in defense of people only referenced that you have no idea about that makes allies wary.
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Well nowadays lynching of minorities in America isn't done by mobs; it's done with the the full endorsement of the state, eg extrajudicial police killings, or it's 100% glossed over as having no 'clear motive' like in the case of the imam and his assistant.
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stone cold posted:Well nowadays lynching of minorities in America isn't done by mobs; it's done with the the full endorsement of the state, eg extrajudicial police killings, or it's 100% glossed over as having no 'clear motive' like in the case of the imam and his assistant. Look the police in this country are bad, but they are not all looking to gun down any non white at a moments notice. They are a bad organization but they are not the KKK. Also the terrorist who attacked the Iman is in custody.
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Neurolimal posted:It's this kind of overreaction in defense of people only referenced that you have no idea about that makes allies wary. OK, do more than reference so you don't have vagueness to hide behind when you make dumb insinuations.
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Crowsbeak posted:Look the police in this country are bad, but they are not all looking to gun down any non white at a moments notice. They are a bad organization but they are not the KKK. Also the terrorist who attacked the Iman is in custody. Perhaps you might want to take a look at white supremacist infiltration into law enforcement; what you find out may shock you! Ah, yes, because catching the perpetrator of a hate crime automatically makes everything ok. Talk to me when he's convicted and has to face life in prison.
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You sound like a left wing Alex Jones.
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Neurolimal posted:My biggest concern, beyond just winning elections and unifying the left, is that if this is how the social leftist side deals with policies they agree with but can't deal with cooperating on, what's going to happen if we ever reach a point where we can push leftist policy they might have actual qualms over? This really won't be a problem, and especially not with the examples you gave. You're inventing a cartoon character.
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Schizotek posted:OK, do more than reference so you don't have vagueness to hide behind when you make dumb insinuations. It's not like the primary threads are secrets. Go through it and you will find plenty of references to debt, budgets, and too much spending (lol) You'll probably say I'm bullshitting for not doing it. Thats cool, I'm not interested in winning over someone who has made it clear that I'm The Enemy for suggesting there were fiscal conservatives who supported Hillary.
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stone cold posted:Perhaps you might want to take a look at white supremacist infiltration into law enforcement; what you find out may shock you! 1. Yes that is an issue that requires people be activie in their communities and put pressure on police departments to act. 2. Generally when someone murders two people in broad daylight they get convicted.
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Crowsbeak posted:2. Generally when someone murders two people in broad daylight they get convicted. Well, unless they're police.
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the trump tutelage posted:You sound like a left wing Alex Jones. Noted conspiracy theorists PBS.
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Crowsbeak posted:1. Yes that is an issue that requires people be activie in their communities and put pressure on police departments to act. Ok so let's see so your points are 1. It's incumbent on POCs to prevent cops from extrajudicially murdering them. 2. The justice system always 100% works and juries, DAs, and judges never have biases toward cops, towards white people, that's why George Zimmerman was convicted right? Jury nullification isn't a thing or anything. Have you perhaps considered that I am not the alt-right troll here, friend?
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BRAKE FOR MOOSE posted:Well, unless they're police. Thankfully their not. ON Police I have to say this is why we ened to be more active in local elections for DA.
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