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Proteus Jones
Feb 28, 2013



Jesus Christ.

http://www.click2houston.com/news/7-special-needs-children-found-in-deplorable-conditions-at-richmond-area-home

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FORT BEND COUNTY, Texas - Two people are facing serious charges after Fort Bend County officials discovered seven special-needs children living in concerning conditions at a Richmond-area house.

“I cannot think of a more deplorable situation than what we have learned in this case,” said Sheriff Troy E. Nehls. “These people are taking advantage of a lousy situation at the expense of children who cannot fend for themselves. It is absolutely heartbreaking.”

quote:

When Sinclair needed to take Richardson to see the doctor, the children would be kept in a closet roughly five feet by eight feet in size. The closet already had clothes and boxes inside, so space was even smaller, and often, the adults were gone so long that the children would urinate on themselves, according to police.

Another room smelled of urine and feces and the children wore shabby clothes, police said. One of the children suffers from Down Syndrome and was wearing a dirty diaper when he was removed from the home, according to reports.

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value-brand cereal
May 2, 2008

grancheater posted:

Uh pretty sure Beard Johnson is Celeste's full last name, and you meant Steven Beard here. Admittedly that makes the story a bit more bland.

Oh no! Oh well. The uncommon name of Beard threw me off. At the time I genuinely though that was her middle name, and I don't know what the gently caress happened from thereon out. A shame he did not have a such mighty name.

cash crab posted:

Thanks for always being a stablizing force in this thread, chum.

You're welcome Rod [raccoon mod]



I know CPS and foster care are overloaded with work and such, but how does seven children manage to get adopted out into this kind of house? All at once, and afterwards CPS(?) assumes they're fine? I've read a bit of the ask/tell foster thread and it seems really tricky to jump through all the proper hoops and make sure a home is child ready. I hope they'll be alright, and not Genie the feral child-ed.

Alereon
Feb 6, 2004

Dehumanize yourself and face to Trumpshed
College Slice

value-brand cereal posted:

I know CPS and foster care are overloaded with work and such, but how does seven children manage to get adopted out into this kind of house? All at once, and afterwards CPS(?) assumes they're fine? I've read a bit of the ask/tell foster thread and it seems really tricky to jump through all the proper hoops and make sure a home is child ready. I hope they'll be alright, and not Genie the feral child-ed.
My understanding is that in most areas they are absolutely desperate for foster homes, so while I don't think anyone is intentionally overlooking warning signs, they're also not looking super hard to find reasons to turn people down. Foster homes can be like private prisons in that they wouldn't normally be profitable, but if you cut living conditions to the absolute bare essentials (or worse) with poor quality of life, you can turn a profit per child and make good money with a bunch of them.

Solice Kirsk
Jun 1, 2004

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Alereon posted:

My understanding is that in most areas they are absolutely desperate for foster homes, so while I don't think anyone is intentionally overlooking warning signs, they're also not looking super hard to find reasons to turn people down. Foster homes can be like private prisons in that they wouldn't normally be profitable, but if you cut living conditions to the absolute bare essentials (or worse) with poor quality of life, you can turn a profit per child and make good money with a bunch of them.

Isn't this one of the things those sov citizens that took over that nature reserve gift shop doing?

TotalLossBrain
Oct 20, 2010

Hier graben!

Solice Kirsk posted:

Isn't this one of the things those sov citizens that took over that nature reserve gift shop doing?

Cross Draw McGraw LaVoy Finicum!

Yes, his main income was apparently taking in foster kids. By all accounts he treated them well, but likely used them as free labor on his ranch.

TapTheForwardAssist
Apr 9, 2007

Pretty Little Lyres

AnonSpore posted:

It's unnerving how terrible they were at covering their tracks considering how smug they were about being super smart

Though not based directly on the facts of the case, the 1948 Hitchcock film Rope is inspired by the Leopold and Loeb case, with the general theme of two pretentious Nietzche-loving rich kids deciding to get away with murder.

It's a near film to watch too for one of its conceits: it was filmed to look like it was all shot on one single take from one single camera, so when they had to change reels they'd just briefly pan to something inanimate so it would look the same when they turned the camera back on. Fun film to watch after reading the wiki on the L&L murder.

Yvershek
Nov 15, 2000

and there are no
diamonds in the
mine

AnonSpore posted:

It's unnerving how terrible they were at covering their tracks considering how smug they were about being super smart

Yep. They spent seven months planning and then whoops.

quote:

Police found a pair of eyeglasses near the body. Though common in prescription and frame, they were equipped with an unusual hinge mechanism purchased by only three customers in Chicago; one was Nathan Leopold.

Reminds me of Raskolnikov leaving the drat door open.

value-brand cereal
May 2, 2008

TapTheForwardAssist posted:

Though not based directly on the facts of the case, the 1948 Hitchcock film Rope is inspired by the Leopold and Loeb case, with the general theme of two pretentious Nietzche-loving rich kids deciding to get away with murder.

It's a near film to watch too for one of its conceits: it was filmed to look like it was all shot on one single take from one single camera, so when they had to change reels they'd just briefly pan to something inanimate so it would look the same when they turned the camera back on. Fun film to watch after reading the wiki on the L&L murder.

Interesting! I'll have to track it down to see how it compares to the real life incident.

Minor disclaimer that nobody really cares about, but just to be clear: most of this is copy pasted from wikipedia and I didn't write 99.99.999% of this. Anything in "quotation marks" is from wikipedia. Also there's rape and murder via the links so fair warning.


"Joji Obara Joji Obara is a Korean-Japanese man who has been convicted of committing multiple rapes in Japan. Most notoriously, he was tried for raping and murdering Australian national Carita Ridgway in 1992 and British national Lucie Blackman in 2000." And what a hosed up jerk he was! Check this poo poo out!
"His collection of pornographic videos, 4,000 to 5,000 of which were recovered by police, led police to believe that Obara may have raped anywhere from 150 to 400 women. ... Police found over 200 sex videos showing Obara molesting women in this manner, sometimes wearing a face mask, and they reported that his extensive journals made reference to "conquer play", a euphemism describing his sexual assaults on women who he wrote were "only good for sex" and on whom he sought revenge, "revenge on the world" drugging them with chloroform."
I found out about this guy via Lucie Blackman, who does not get her own wiki article. "Lucie Blackman was an English woman from Sevenoaks, Kent who worked as a hostess in Roppongi in Minato, Tokyo. Blackman had previously worked as a flight attendant for British Airways and had come to Japan to see the world and earn money to pay off her debts. At the time of her disappearance, she had been working as a hostess at Casablanca, a night club in Roppongi,[9] later called Greengrass. She was 21 years old at the time of her death."

Basically Blackman went on a paid date was a customer from her workplace, and was never seen again. Well, until they found her body. "On February 9, 2001, Blackman's dismembered body was found, buried in a shallow grave under a bathtub in a seaside cave at Miura, Kanagawa, about 30 miles south of Tokyo, just a few hundred metres from Obara's apartment. The body had been cut into eight pieces. Her head had been shaved and encased in concrete. The body was too decomposed to discover cause of death." And her dad was kinda of questionable morals but eh, ok. I guess trying to figure out what happened to your child is costly. "Tim Blackman, Lucie Blackman's father, accepted Ł450,000 in mimaikin (condolence money) from a friend of Joji Obara's. Blackman's other family members were opposed to accepting the money"

Anyways, Obara was charged with rape of multiple woman, and murder. He was initially acquited for Blackman's murder, but jailed for other rapes and the murder of Carita Ridgeway. A later appeal trial brought forth evidence that was enough to convict Obara of Blackman's rape and murder.

Keith Hunter Jesperson was a real gently caress. He's a "Canadian-American serial killer who murdered at least eight women in the United States during the early 1990s. He was known as the "Happy Face Killer" because he drew smiley faces on his many letters to the media and prosecutors. Many of his victims were prostitutes and transients who had no connection to him. ... After the body of his first victim, Taunja Bennett, was found, media attention surrounded Laverne Pavlinac, a woman who falsely confessed to having killed Bennett with the help of her abusive boyfriend, John Sosnovske.
Jesperson was upset that he was not getting any media attention. He first drew a smiley face on a bathroom wall (hundreds of miles away from the scene of the crime), on which he anonymously confessed to killing Bennett.
When that did not elicit a response, he began writing letters to the media and prosecutors. His last victim was his long-time girlfriend, a crime that ultimately led to his capture. While Jesperson has claimed to have killed as many as 160 people, only eight murders have been confirmed."
Keith was a gently caress from the very start, mind you. A natural born gently caress, if you will. Other than torturing and killing animals, he wanted to try killing others at a real young age too. "He was friends with a boy named Martin, and the two would often get into trouble together. Jesperson claimed he was punished many times for things Martin had done and blamed on Jesperson. This led Jesperson to attack Martin, violently beating him until his father pulled him away. He later claimed his intention was to kill the boy. Approximately a year later, Jesperson was swimming in a lake when another boy held him under water until he blacked out. Some time later, at a public pool, Jesperson attempted to drown the boy, holding his head under water until the lifeguard pulled him away."

The wikipedia article goes into more depth of his life, his murder/rape victims, and how pissy he got when Laverne Pavlinac stole his thunder about murdering one of his victims. Oh and by the way he has a kid. A daughter. "Moore noticed her father was different when she was in elementary school. Their house bordered an apple orchard, and her dad killed stray cats and gophers that wandered nearby. One day she watched, horrified, as he hung stray kittens from the family's clothesline. She ran to get her mother, and when they returned, the kittens lay on the ground dead. He had watched and laughed as the kittens clawed each other to escape, then he killed them."

Lastly... "Colleen Stan, an American woman, was kidnapped and held as a sex slave by Cameron and Janice Hooker in Red Bluff, California for over seven years between 1977 and 1984. At the trial of her abductor, Stan's experience was described as unparalleled in FBI history." Content warnings for: rape / sexual assaults, brainwashing, torture, abuse, kidnapping and everything that goes along with the above. It's bad enough that it gets it's own content warning. You can read about it here, I'm not going to copy paste it all from wikipedia because it'd just be a wall of spoilers. The Kidnapping of Colleen Stan.

I'm gunna go look at puppies and kitties now. Honestly at this point I would welcome derails of hipster fire building code art violations and pallet stairs. Stairs made of pallets?! You're not protected at all!! [please don't actually bring that up again I'm just joking]

Arsenic Lupin
Apr 12, 2012

This particularly rapid💨 unintelligible 😖patter💁 isn't generally heard🧏‍♂️, and if it is🤔, it doesn't matter💁.


Clarence Darrow gave one of his great speeches at the end of the trial of Leopold and Loeb, basically saying "These children are awful, but they are children, and the death penalty sucks." You couldn't try that nowadays.

quote:

I do not know how much salvage there is in these two boys. I hate to say it in their presence, but what is there to look forward to? I do not know but what your Honor would be merciful to them, but not merciful to civilization, and not merciful if you tied a rope around their necks and let them die; merciful to them, but not merciful to civilization, and not merciful to those who would be left behind. To spend the balance of their days in prison is mighty little to look forward to, if anything. Is it anything? They may have the hope that as the years roll around they might be released. I do not know. I do not know. I will be honest with this court as I have tried to be from the beginning. I know that these boys are not fit to be at large. I believe they will not be until they pass through the next stage of life, at forty-five or fifty. Whether they will then, I cannot tell. I am sure of this; that I will not be here to help them. So far as I am concerned, it is over.

I would not tell this court that I do not hope that some time, when life and age have changed their bodies, as they do, and have changed their emotions, as they do—that they may once more return to life. I would be the last person on earth to close the door of hope to any human being that lives, and least of all to my clients. But what have they to look forward to? Nothing.

...
I know the easy way. I know the future is with me, and what I stand for here; not merely for the lives of these two unfortunate lads, but for all boys and all girls; for all of the young, and as far as possible, for all of the old. I am pleading for life, understanding, charity, kindness, and the infinite mercy that considers all. I am pleading that we overcome cruelty with kindness and hatred with love. I know the future is on my side. Your Honor stands between the past and the future. You may hang these boys; you may hang them by the neck until they are dead. But in doing it you will turn your face toward the past. In doing it you are making it harder for every other boy who in ignorance and darkness must grope his way through the mazes which only childhood knows. In doing it you will make it harder for unborn children. You may save them and make it easier for every child that sometime may stand where these boys stand. You will make it easier for every human being with an aspiration and a vision and a hope and a fate. I am pleading for the future; I am pleading for a time when hatred and cruelty will not control the hearts of men. When we can learn by reason and judgment and understanding and faith that all life is worth saving, and that mercy is the highest attribute of man.

I feel that I should apologize for the length of time I have taken. This case may not be as important as I think it is, and I am sure I do not need to tell this court, or to tell my friends that I would fight just as hard for the poor as for the rich. If I should succeed, my greatest reward and my greatest hope will be that for the countless unfortunates who must tread the same road in blind childhood that these poor boys have trod—that I have done something to help human understanding, to temper justice with mercy, to overcome hate with love.

I was reading last night of the aspiration of the old Persian poet, Omar Khayyam. It appealed to me as the highest that I can vision. I wish it was in my heart, and I wish it was in the hearts of all:

So I be written in the Book of Love,
I do not care about that Book above.
Erase my name or write it as you will,
So I be written in the Book of Love.
That was in 1924. In 1944, in a case not defended by Darrow, who had been dead six years and was thus unavailable, the State of South Carolina electrocuted a 14-year-old for the murder of two white girls. The only evidence against him was a police officer's claim that he had confessed, a confession that was never written down. The trial took a day; the verdict ten minutes; the defense attorney did not bother to contradict the police evidence. George Stinney was so small that the electric chair didn't fit him.

Cacafuego
Jul 22, 2007

value-brand cereal posted:

On February 9, 2001, Blackman's dismembered body was found, buried in a shallow grave under a bathtub in a seaside cave at Miura, Kanagawa

Do all seaside caves in Japan have bathtubs in them, or only this one?

Pingiivi
Mar 26, 2010

Straight into the iris!
Re: The Joji Obara case

If you want some unnerving reading I recommend People Who Eat Darkness by Richard Lloyd Parry.

Gravitas Shortfall
Jul 17, 2007

Utility is seven-eighths Proximity.


chernobyl kinsman posted:

has anyone posted the oracle of trophonios? it's terrifying.


After days of ritual bathing and sacrifice, you climb into a pitch-dark cave. Something drags you into a crevice and whispers oracular visions to you. then you're spat back out, also feet first; the horror of the experience is such that most don't remember what they were told in the cave.

Lives underground, loves sweet things, whispers secrets.

Sounds like a gentle creature.

Solice Kirsk
Jun 1, 2004

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Cacafuego posted:

Do all seaside caves in Japan have bathtubs in them, or only this one?

I'm imagining just the worst Cialis commercial ever.

Necrothatcher
Mar 26, 2005




Encephalitus Lethargica was a mystery illness that sprung up around the same time as Spanish flu and is suuuuper freaky. It basically puts you in a semi-catatonic state for the rest of your life - where you just lie and around and become miserable as the world passes you by. But with kids it's effects are completely random:

Just read this creepy article on it:

https://vanwinkles.com/history-of-sleepy-sickness-encephalitis-lethargica

quote:

"By the time Rosie pulled out her other eye — calmly, with a steady hand, as neat and clean as any surgeon with a scalpel — the collective shock of hospital staff had long since worn off. She’d already committed so many acts of self-harm that caregivers had grown numb to the sight of blood creeping along the bleached white sheets of her hospital bed.

Rosie was just a girl when it started: a mild fever, a twitching, spastic eye and exhaustion. She slept like she’d been anesthetized, a stillness without the fluttering and shifting of regular rest. When she woke, she terrorized her parents with tantrums, breaking windows and making threats.

But the harm, when it came, was only directed at herself. She once locked a bathroom door and pulled out two dozen of her teeth, each one hitting the sink with a tap.

She was hospitalized in New York, one of thousands of children effectively institutionalized because their families could not cope with their behavior. The first time she pulled out an eye, she denied doing it, explaining it must have fallen out while she was sleeping. The second time, she was manacled to the bed."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5lNVtUlroZc

quote:

"The neurologist and author Oliver Sacks came across a small colony of these patients at Beth Abraham Hospital in the Bronx in the 1960s. Some projected their awareness by responding to music or catching a ball that was thrown to them; outside stimulus could provoke a reaction, but nothing could be initiated.

“Once, a patient brought a dog to the hospital,” Sacks recalled in 1991. “The poodle jumped up on a woman who was always frozen, and suddenly she belted out that she loved animals. She started stroking the dog and laughing. When the animal went away, once again she was frozen.”

HORMELCHILI
Jan 13, 2010


Definitely some Mk Ultra poo poo

genetic_knockout
May 8, 2007

Who's a good boy

Mr. Flunchy posted:

Encephalitus Lethargica was a mystery illness that sprung up around the same time as Spanish flu and is suuuuper freaky. It basically puts you in a semi-catatonic state for the rest of your life - where you just lie and around and become miserable as the world passes you by. But with kids it's effects are completely random:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5lNVtUlroZc

Anyone interested in this kind of stuff should check out Awakenings by Oliver Sacks. Less eye-gouging, more weirdly frozen people and what happens when you try to wake them up with Levodopa

the future is WOW
Sep 9, 2005

I QUIT!

genetic_knockout posted:

Anyone interested in this kind of stuff should check out Awakenings by Oliver Sacks. Less eye-gouging, more weirdly frozen people and what happens when you try to wake them up with Levodopa

I'd also recommend "The Case of the Frozen Addicts" by neurologist J. William Langston (if you can find it). It's the story of how a bunch of junkies with a mysterious case of sudden onset Parkinson's disease became a huge part of treatment research. Basically, a group of addicts in California all ended up with Parkinsons after a batch of MPPP tainted with MPTP found its way into their hands. The MPTP metabolized in their brain to MPP+, a neurotoxin that selectively destroys the dopamine producing neurons in the substantia nigra area of the brain resulting in sudden onset Parkinson's. They ended up being a huge help for research into various treatments, with some of them even receiving experimental stem cell treatments that essentially cured them. Unfortunately, since the treatment requires stem cells that have reached an accelerated point in their development (requiring them to be harvested from aborted fetuses) it's somewhat controversial in it's use.

The unnerving aspect (to me, anyway) was the part where these people ended up frozen with some of them not being found for days, since the whole 'being frozen and nobody coming to help' is one of those things that terrifies me despite my lack of IV drug use. Even without drug abuse there's poo poo like Guillain–Barré and Locked-In syndrome to lay awake at night worrying about.

TapTheForwardAssist
Apr 9, 2007

Pretty Little Lyres
Before we finish talking about fires, we have to at least make mention of the big enchilada empanada: Church of the Company Fire, 1863, Santiago, Chile. As best as folks can tell, probably the single most lethal single-building accidental fire in human history.



It was a night in early December (so summertime down there) and the big cathedral downtown had a full-house for the Feast of the Immaculate Conception, when a candle or oil lamp ignited one of the many veils they'd draped all over the place for decoration. People started to flee the building, but some of the huge doors only opened inward, and had been closed to make more room for the standing crowd.

The men's and women's section were separated by an iron grating, and for whatever reason a lot of the men made it out okay from their side, though many ended up rushing back in trying to help in the rescue. The fact that women wore huge hoop skirts back then is cited as a possible contributing factor, though I'd imagine they were also more likely to have small children they were trying to take with them, and they might have just had a worse door layout on their side.

Overall, between 2,000 and 3,000 people died, it was such a mess there was no accurate way to take account of the bodies. Santiago only had around 100,000 people at the time, so that's several *percent* of the population taken out in one swoop in one burning church.

And since people here enjoy macabre grimacing:

quote:

The priests retreated into the sacristy, and some of the men made their escape by following them. The priests were gathering together the valuables of the church to save them, and they closed the door to the sacristy so they could do this in peace. No one escaped through the sacristy after the door was closed. The priests then left the scene, all unharmed, with what valuables they were able to save from the blaze.[2]

A Santiago newspaper printed the names of over 2,000 known victims, and the same paper also printed a list of the objects saved by the priests and their value, which led to public outcry against the priests who had saved valuable objects but not people. Already under fire for designing a celebration mass with thousands of candles and oil lamps surrounded by flammable cloths and decorations, Ugarte and his colleagues drew more criticism when they later explained the deaths of so many women and girls as the Virgin Mary needing to take them without delay to her bosom.

Vladimir Poutine
Aug 13, 2012
:madmax:

the future is WOW posted:

I'd also recommend "The Case of the Frozen Addicts" by neurologist J. William Langston (if you can find it). It's the story of how a bunch of junkies with a mysterious case of sudden onset Parkinson's disease became a huge part of treatment research. Basically, a group of addicts in California all ended up with Parkinsons after a batch of MPPP tainted with MPTP found its way into their hands. The MPTP metabolized in their brain to MPP+, a neurotoxin that selectively destroys the dopamine producing neurons in the substantia nigra area of the brain resulting in sudden onset Parkinson's. They ended up being a huge help for research into various treatments, with some of them even receiving experimental stem cell treatments that essentially cured them. Unfortunately, since the treatment requires stem cells that have reached an accelerated point in their development (requiring them to be harvested from aborted fetuses) it's somewhat controversial in it's use.

The unnerving aspect (to me, anyway) was the part where these people ended up frozen with some of them not being found for days, since the whole 'being frozen and nobody coming to help' is one of those things that terrifies me despite my lack of IV drug use. Even without drug abuse there's poo poo like Guillain–Barré and Locked-In syndrome to lay awake at night worrying about.

Yeah, it's weird how dopaminergic neurons in the nigrostriatal pathway are prone to just loving up in strange, permanent and horrifying ways. People sometimes get a permanent movement disorder called Tardive dyskinesia from antipsychotics and Phenergan.

The one that always creeped me out the most is tardive akathisia.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akathisia

quote:

Akathisia may range in intensity from a sense of disquiet or anxiety, to excruciating discomfort, particularly in the knees. Patients typically pace for hours because the pressure on the knees reduces the discomfort somewhat; once their knees and legs become fatigued and they are unable to continue pacing, they sit or lie down, although this does not relieve the akathisia. At high doses or with potent drugs such as haloperidol (Haldol) or chlorpromazine (Thorazine/Largactil), the feeling can last all day from awakening to sleep. When misdiagnosis occurs in antipsychotic neuroleptic-induced akathisia, more antipsychotic neuroleptics may be prescribed, potentially worsening the symptoms.[5] High-functioning patients have described the feeling as a sense of inner tension and torment or chemical torture. A term many sufferers use is the feeling like they want to "peel off their own skin." It feels like an agitated depression. This is problematic for many patients and doctors because many don't realize this is a drug-induced state; they simply write off the symptoms as a worsening of their mental illness or condition. The treatment for many doctors, then, is to raise the dose of the akathisia-causing medication. When the patient's condition gets even worse, they prescribe anti-anxiety medication, which are usually ineffective in mitigating the anxiety caused by akathisia, since the anxiety produced by the condition is generated in a different part of the brain than regular anxiety. Many patients show very little outer movement, and the akathisia affects the sufferer inside, causing feelings of despair, agitation, intense panic and worry, an augur of disaster that feels completely real, and in some cases, the person actually has a physical sensation of pain in the solar plexus area of the body that they claim feels hot to the touch, a burning ache that is unbearable. Neuro-psychologist Dr. Dennis Staker had drug-induced akathisia for two days. His description of his experience was this: "It was the worst feeling I have ever had in my entire life. I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy." Many patients describe symptoms of neuropathic pain akin to fibromyalgia and restless legs syndrome.[6] In Han et al. (2013), the authors describe restless legs syndrome's relation to akathisia, "Some researchers regard RLS as a 'focal akathisia' [in the legs]."[7] Although these side effects disappear quickly and remarkably when the medication is stopped, tardive, or late-persisting akathisia may go on long after the offending drug is discontinued, sometimes for a period of years. Healy, et al. (2006), described the following regarding akathisia: tension, insomnia, a sense of discomfort, motor restlessness, and marked anxiety and panic. Increased labile affect can result, such as weepiness.[8]

Severe akathisia can become a very harrowing experience. Jack Henry Abbot (1981) describes the sensation:[9]

...[It comes] from so deep inside you, you cannot locate the source of the pain … The muscles of your jawbone go berserk, so that you bite the inside of your mouth and your jaw locks and the pain throbs. … Your spinal column stiffens so that you can hardly move your head or your neck and sometimes your back bends like a bow and you cannot stand up. … You ache with restlessness, so you feel you have to walk, to pace. And then as soon as you start pacing, the opposite occurs to you; you must sit and rest. Back and forth, up and down you go … you cannot get relief …

In a psychiatric setting, patients who suffer from neuroleptic-induced akathisia often react by refusing treatment.[10]

I've been posting a thread in TCC about antique pharmaceutical ads and the one thing I've noticed when I've looked up old drugs is that every single psych med from the mid 20th century (with the exception of methylphenidate) has an utterly unacceptable side effect profile.

Howard Dully is another example of ...questionable mid-20th century medicine
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Howard_Dully

quote:

Dully was born on November 30, 1948, in Oakland, California, the eldest son of Rodney and June Louise Pierce Dully. Following the death of his mother from cancer in 1954, Dully's father married single mother Shirley Lucille Hardin in 1955.(John Wesley Hardin family)

Neurologist Walter Freeman had diagnosed Dully as suffering from childhood schizophrenia since age 4, although numerous other medical and psychiatric professionals who had seen Dully did not detect a psychiatric disorder. In 1960, at 12 years of age, Dully was submitted by his father and stepmother for a trans-orbital lobotomy, performed by Dr. Freeman. During the procedure, a long, sharp instrument called an orbitoclast was inserted through each of Dully's eye sockets 7 cm (2.75 inches) into his brain.

Dully was institutionalized for years as a juvenile (in Agnews State Hospital as a minor), transferred to Rancho Linda School in San Jose, California, a school for children with behavior problems, incarcerated, and was eventually homeless and an alcoholic. After becoming sober and getting a college degree in computer information systems, he became a California state certified behind-the-wheel instructor for a school bus company in San Jose, California.

In his 50s, with the assistance of National Public Radio producer David Isay, Dully started to research what had happened to him as a child. By this time, both his stepmother and Dr. Freeman were dead, and due to the aftereffects of the surgery, he was unable to rely on his own memories. He traveled the country with Isay and Piya Kochhar, speaking with members of his family, relatives of other lobotomy patients, and relatives of Dr. Freeman, and also gaining access to Freeman's archives. Dully first related his story on a National Public Radio broadcast in 2005, prior to co-authoring a memoir published in 2007.[1]

ChickenOfTomorrow
Nov 11, 2012

god damn it, you've got to be kind


At the risk of returning this thread to "goons talk about boring poo poo that happens to them," I get p bad akathisia once or thrice a year, and Staker's right about it. Indica or high-CBD weed's the only thing that's ever allowed me to ignore it, and even then it's not complete relief.

there's this warning/prodromal/early sensation i get in my calves that's a lot like a trail of ants that relents as soon as i move the leg; after 2 or 3 of those within a couple of minutes i know clear out some pacing space and call out of work tomorrow, i ain't sleeping tonight

ChickenOfTomorrow has a new favorite as of 08:33 on Dec 8, 2016

pookel
Oct 27, 2011

Ultra Carp

value-brand cereal posted:

I know CPS and foster care are overloaded with work and such, but how does seven children manage to get adopted out into this kind of house? All at once, and afterwards CPS(?) assumes they're fine? I've read a bit of the ask/tell foster thread and it seems really tricky to jump through all the proper hoops and make sure a home is child ready. I hope they'll be alright, and not Genie the feral child-ed.
Special needs kids are hard to place, so there are extra subsidies given to their carers (I'm not sure how it works in foster care, but after they're adopted they qualify for Social Security Disability funding, which can be substantial). This is meant to help get these kids into homes where they will be taken care of properly and their caregivers won't be overwhelmed, but if you're an unscrupulous gently caress who's good at lying to caseworkers (who are often too busy to look twice) you can use all these subsidies as your personal fat paycheck while you treat the kids like garbage.

Alternately - not so vile but still a bit unnerving - if you're a certain type of evangelical Christian mommy, you can adopt a dozen or so severely disabled kids from around the world in order to "save" them by bringing them "home" and filling them with Jesus, and you will consider this money and the work of caring for them to be something like a full-time job - one that almost inevitably will crush your spirit and destroy your marriage through sheer exhaustion. GOMI has a good (if long) thread on the topic: http://gomiblog.com/forums/fundie-blogging/christian-blogger-parents-who-adopt-from-foreign-countries/

ETA: As a bonus, if you're the first type of horrible person, you'll find that it can be pretty easy to get away with abusing kids if they're nonverbal, or developmentally delayed in such a way that they have a hard time communicating with strangers.

ETA again: I have an autistic son and these stories fill me with an extra special kind of rage.

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Phanatic
Mar 13, 2007

Please don't forget that I am an extremely racist idiot who also has terrible opinions about the Culture series.

Arsenic Lupin posted:

Clarence Darrow gave one of his great speeches at the end of the trial of Leopold and Loeb, basically saying "These children are awful, but they are children, and the death penalty sucks." You couldn't try that nowadays.


Also this:

quote:

This terrible crime was inherent in his organism, and it came from some ancestor... Is any blame attached because somebody took Nietzsche's philosophy seriously and fashioned his life upon it?... It is hardly fair to hang a 19-year-old boy for the philosophy that was taught him at the university.

Try that with a black defendant: "This criminal act isn't his responsibility, it's inherent in his genetic code. And it's in all that rap music he listens to." I mean, in this case Darrow's argument swayed the jury and that's his job, but goddamn is that some execrable philosophy.

Arsenic Lupin
Apr 12, 2012

This particularly rapid💨 unintelligible 😖patter💁 isn't generally heard🧏‍♂️, and if it is🤔, it doesn't matter💁.


Phanatic posted:

Try that with a black defendant: "This criminal act isn't his responsibility, it's inherent in his genetic code. And it's in all that rap music he listens to." I mean, in this case Darrow's argument swayed the jury and that's his job, but goddamn is that some execrable philosophy.
To be fair, AFAIK the belief that criminality was hereditary was still mainstream in that era. And Nietzche's Superman is explicitly a philosophy on which life is intended to be fashioned; it's not "gosh, this is fun to listen to. Leopold explicitly thought Loeb was a Nietzchean superman, who was beyond good and evil. "It's all in that rap music" is very different from "I'm a philosophy student, I read this philosopher, and it led me to believe that killing people was ace."

You're still right that this wouldn't have flown for somebody who wasn't an upper-class white kid.

SneezeOfTheDecade
Feb 6, 2011

gettin' covid all
over your posts
Cross-posting from Schadenfreude:

Warm und Fuzzy posted:

Can you believe it's been 5 years since people swam with a dead body for 2 days in Fall River?

http://abcnews.go.com/US/massachusetts-woman-dead-public-pool-days/story?id=13968518

The whole thing was apparently just an absolute morass of bad decision-making, people in jobs they had no business doing, and egregious health and safety violations in the name of saving a little time and money. The Herald News has a retrospective, five years later: http://www.heraldnews.com/news/20160624/five-years-later-why-behind-marie-josephs-death-in-cloudy-fall-river-pool-remains-mystery

quote:

The last moments of Marie Joseph's life were peaceful and unnoticed.

Video recorded at the Vietnam Veterans Pool in Lafayette Park show that Joseph went down the slide into 12-feet of water at the deep end of the pool on June 26, 2011.

She could not swim and she did not. She rose once, took a gulp of air and sank. She rose once more and did not rise again.

Her body remained in the public swimming pool for two days as others swam at the facility. Her body was hidden by water so cloudy it limited visibility to two or three feet. She was not found by lifeguards who were expected to inspect the bottom of the pool every day and did not for three days.

She was found when natural decomposition caused her body to rise to the surface. Teenagers, who jumped the fence for a late night swim on Tuesday, June 28, 2011, saw her body and called the police.

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There was no vacuum at the pool when crews arrived in early June, so the bottom, covered with leaves, sludge and litter, was never cleaned. Workers added 240,000 gallons of clean water to the dirt and hoped the filters would clean it.

The filters failed and workers were ordered to not add chemicals to clean the water for 10 days, allowing the water in the pool to stagnate and turn pea green.

Chemicals were added a few days before the pool opened on June 25, but there was not enough time to clear the water. It was cloudy and visibility was limited two to three feet.

The pool opened with cloudy water on June 25, even though state regulations require lifeguards to sink a black and white disc to the deepest part of the pool to make sure they can see the bottom. The pool opened even though pool managers did not even have the disc available in Fall River.

Lifeguards were expected, by state regulation, to sweep the bottom of the pool after every day of operation. Marie Joseph remained, undetected, at the bottom of the pool on June 26, 27 and 28. Police divers later found leaves, litter, hair bands, broken glass, eyeglasses and toys also on the bottom of the pool.

And, as always, people being lovely about accountability:

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[District Attorney Sam] Sutter was one of a half-dozen people in his office who worked on the DA's report. They all wanted to make sure some good came from Marie Joseph's death, Sutter said.

"It was always about getting to the truth and doing what is right, based on the facts as we evaluated them," Sutter said.

DCR did change and Sutter and company paid a price. The Sutter report made it impossible for the state to defend itself in the subsequent lawsuit. Sutter also felt the backlash from DCR supporters when he ran, unsuccessfully, for U.S. Congress that fall.

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a kitten
Aug 5, 2006

Hey we had one of those in Seattle.


quote:

Pavan Dhanireddy remembers frantically peering into the swimming pool at the Quality Inn & Suites Seattle Center on June 30 as firefighters searched for his friend Tesfaye Girma Deboch.

The water was so murky no one could see the bottom of the indoor pool. Firefighters used a rescue hook and thermal imaging to search the water, but eventually left, certain that Deboch had left the pool area.

It wasn’t until nearly three hours later that the body of Deboch, a 27-year-old Washington State University student, was pulled from the murky water



http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/murky-water-hindered-search-for-man-who-died-in-hotel-pool/

At least this poor guy didn't stay down long enough to start decomposing tho.

Hackers film 1995
Nov 4, 2009

Hack the planet!

I'm a man of low class, but I would not even consider getting into a swimming pool so cloudy that you cannot see a human body at the bottom. wtf

dobbymoodge
Mar 8, 2005

ChickenOfTomorrow posted:

At the risk of returning this thread to "goons talk about boring poo poo that happens to them," I get p bad akathisia once or thrice a year, and Staker's right about it. Indica or high-CBD weed's the only thing that's ever allowed me to ignore it, and even then it's not complete relief.

there's this warning/prodromal/early sensation i get in my calves that's a lot like a trail of ants that relents as soon as i move the leg; after 2 or 3 of those within a couple of minutes i know clear out some pacing space and call out of work tomorrow, i ain't sleeping tonight

Migraine with deferred symptoms, perhaps?

Vladimir Poutine
Aug 13, 2012
:madmax:

dobbymoodge posted:

Migraine with deferred symptoms, perhaps?

Nah, akathisia and RLS are their own thing, pretty well associated with a dopamine pathway related to movement. Migraines are horrible, but they're still way easier to deal with than full-body akathisia.

genetic_knockout
May 8, 2007

Who's a good boy

the future is WOW posted:

I'd also recommend "The Case of the Frozen Addicts" by neurologist J. William Langston (if you can find it). It's the story of how a bunch of junkies with a mysterious case of sudden onset Parkinson's disease became a huge part of treatment research. Basically, a group of addicts in California all ended up with Parkinsons after a batch of MPPP tainted with MPTP found its way into their hands. The MPTP metabolized in their brain to MPP+, a neurotoxin that selectively destroys the dopamine producing neurons in the substantia nigra area of the brain resulting in sudden onset Parkinson's. They ended up being a huge help for research into various treatments, with some of them even receiving experimental stem cell treatments that essentially cured them. Unfortunately, since the treatment requires stem cells that have reached an accelerated point in their development (requiring them to be harvested from aborted fetuses) it's somewhat controversial in it's use.

The unnerving aspect (to me, anyway) was the part where these people ended up frozen with some of them not being found for days, since the whole 'being frozen and nobody coming to help' is one of those things that terrifies me despite my lack of IV drug use. Even without drug abuse there's poo poo like Guillain–Barré and Locked-In syndrome to lay awake at night worrying about.

Thanks for posting this! I remember reading about the sudden onset Parkinson's from tainted drugs years ago, and it's always fascinated me. Basal ganglia dysfunction is a hell of a thing.

E: you too, Vladimir Poutine! Imo neurology posts best posts

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Gynocentric Regime
Jun 9, 2010

by Cyrano4747

genetic_knockout posted:

Thanks for posting this! I remember reading about the sudden onset Parkinson's from tainted drugs years ago, and it's always fascinated me. Basal ganglia dysfunction is a hell of a thing.

E: you too, Vladimir Poutine! Imo neurology posts best posts

I remember reading this is what happened to Michael J Fox too, as his circle of friends at that time almost all came down with it.

RC and Moon Pie
May 5, 2011

Vladimir Poutine posted:

Yeah, it's weird how dopaminergic neurons in the nigrostriatal pathway are prone to just loving up in strange, permanent and horrifying ways. People sometimes get a permanent movement disorder called Tardive dyskinesia from antipsychotics and Phenergan.

It's only brought up briefly in Love and Mercy, but part of what saved Brian Wilson was that his tardive dyskinesia symptoms were spotted by a Beach Boys fans/counselor named Peter Reum. Reum was able to use connections to convince his family of its seriousness, eventually freeing Wilson from Eugene Landy's care.

Aesop Poprock
Oct 21, 2008


Grimey Drawer

ChickenOfTomorrow posted:

At the risk of returning this thread to "goons talk about boring poo poo that happens to them," I get p bad akathisia once or thrice a year, and Staker's right about it. Indica or high-CBD weed's the only thing that's ever allowed me to ignore it, and even then it's not complete relief.

there's this warning/prodromal/early sensation i get in my calves that's a lot like a trail of ants that relents as soon as i move the leg; after 2 or 3 of those within a couple of minutes i know clear out some pacing space and call out of work tomorrow, i ain't sleeping tonight

I'm not sure how goons feel about massage and associated benefits but I do neuromuscular therapy and have a client with Akathisia and it seems to help to do general maintenance sessions with them. He's described it as I'm basically punishing his muscles' restlessness with my thumbs. It's mostly deep fascia work but especially when I go into his ITB or the body of the scapula for a while he feels relief for at least a few days. I'd say it's worth looking into if you can find a massage therapist who isn't a total fraud

republicant
Apr 5, 2010
Akathisia is a very common part of opiate withdrawals, it's one of the things that make withdrawals a living hell and opiates so difficult to quit. But to just randomly experience that out of nowhere and through no fault of your own, god I can't even imagine that. My sincere condolences to ChickenOfTomorrow and anyone else who has to experience that kind of hell on earth.

Xibanya
Sep 17, 2012




Clever Betty
Can someone please link the OSHA thread? I can't find it and now I know I've got to read it

POOL IS CLOSED
Jul 14, 2011

I'm just exploding with mackerel. This is the aji wo kutta of my discontent.
Pillbug

Xibanya posted:

Can someone please link the OSHA thread? I can't find it and now I know I've got to read it

http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3763899

Vladimir Poutine
Aug 13, 2012
:madmax:

republicant posted:

Akathisia is a very common part of opiate withdrawals, it's one of the things that make withdrawals a living hell and opiates so difficult to quit. But to just randomly experience that out of nowhere and through no fault of your own, god I can't even imagine that. My sincere condolences to ChickenOfTomorrow and anyone else who has to experience that kind of hell on earth.

What's even worse is that people on old school antipsychotics can have it all the time, rather than just an episode lasting a few days, and it can persist for years after discontinuation.

Helena Handbasket
Feb 11, 2006
The Thorazine shuffle and the Prolactin stomp. :(

Ugato
Apr 9, 2009

We're not?

Arsenic Lupin posted:

Clarence Darrow gave one of his great speeches at the end of the trial of Leopold and Loeb, basically saying "These children are awful, but they are children, and the death penalty sucks." You couldn't try that nowadays.

That was in 1924. In 1944, in a case not defended by Darrow, who had been dead six years and was thus unavailable, the State of South Carolina electrocuted a 14-year-old for the murder of two white girls. The only evidence against him was a police officer's claim that he had confessed, a confession that was never written down. The trial took a day; the verdict ten minutes; the defense attorney did not bother to contradict the police evidence. George Stinney was so small that the electric chair didn't fit him.

This is often the terrifying through-line when it comes to the death penalty. The police or people involved swear by everything that there was a confession and that the accused is guilty. Like with the Willingham trial that was mentioned a while back - Texas went through some hoops to save face and not have the evidence revisited. You could call the guy scum of the earth (he did beat his wife by everyone's accounts) but the evidence essentially proves that no crime was even committed. But the prosecutor, governor, lead police investigator and fire investigator - even some of the people in town - all just stubbornly stuck with "he got what he deserved." Truth or not.

TapTheForwardAssist
Apr 9, 2007

Pretty Little Lyres
This could be unnerving or no, depending on the balance of your opinions between environmentalism and animal rights.

Clipperton Island is about 700 miles southwest of Mexico, out in the Pacific, and belongs to France. The island had a population of feral pigs to provide meat for people dropping in, but one ornithologist took exception to this, and embarked on a successful one-man pig extermination program with a shotgun:

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It was visited by ornithologist Ken Stager of the Los Angeles County Museum in 1958. Appalled at the depredations visited by feral pigs upon the island's brown booby and masked booby colonies (reduced to 500 and 150 birds, respectively), Stager procured a shotgun and killed all 58 pigs. By 2003, the booby colonies had 25,000 brown boobies and 112,000 masked boobies, the world's second-largest brown booby colony and its largest masked booby colony.[11]

As a slightly humorous addendum, only four years later nine fisherman got stuck on Clipperton after their boat sank, and were probably pretty annoyed to find a bunch of pig skeletons on the island yet no pork for a castaway. Fortunately they survived for the 23 days it took for a US Navy ship to rescue them.

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Pigsfeet on Rye
Oct 22, 2008

I'm meat on the hoof

TapTheForwardAssist posted:

This could be unnerving or no, depending on the balance of your opinions between environmentalism and animal rights.

Clipperton Island is about 700 miles southwest of Mexico, out in the Pacific, and belongs to France. The island had a population of feral pigs to provide meat for people dropping in, but one ornithologist took exception to this, and embarked on a successful one-man pig extermination program with a shotgun:


As a slightly humorous addendum, only four years later nine fisherman got stuck on Clipperton after their boat sank, and were probably pretty annoyed to find a bunch of pig skeletons on the island yet no pork for a castaway. Fortunately they survived for the 23 days it took for a US Navy ship to rescue them.

That guy is a serious hero for taking action like that. Invasive animals and plants can really devastate ecosystems.

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