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Brother Friendship posted:http://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-iraq-mosul-idUSKBN13W1H1 Missed this from the last page. Thanks for bringing this up. I keep hearing about the new US sanctions proposed against Iran being an Israeli plot to stop Iran's further advancement in the regions especially in relation to hezbollah, but I haven't seen proof of that yet and may just be another conspiracy theory.
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Cirofren posted:It's odd, everyone coming in here to post about posting and accusing the thread or particular posters of bias. Okay you have firmly convinced me that you all live in a fantasy world. I'll respect the thread's pro-truth bias and duck out for now.
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Odobenidae posted:Okay you have firmly convinced me that you all live in a fantasy world. I'll respect the thread's pro-truth bias and duck out for now. I would much rather you state why you disagree with any of those bullet points rather than an off the cuff post that implies you have knowledge that discredits it. Please destroy the fantasy world you perceive me as inhabiting.
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Cirofren posted:[*]Bashar released extremists from prison, collaborated with Daesh, and focused his forces on these moderates to remove them from the equitation That was something the moderates asked for though https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...ZDdB_story.html
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Dec 8, 2016 06:09
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Enjoy posted:That was something the moderates asked for though Funny how it's the Zahran Alloush's and the Hassan Aboud's who got released while the Ghiath Matar's got tortured to death. In any case, the regime used strategic release of jihadist prisoners from prison as a tactic even prior to the revolution, when they were funneling fighters into Iraq.
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If that had been posted in the morning I'd without doubt take umbrage at some little pedantic point on that list but I'm too tired now and I have an exam in the morning So instead I'll just note that IS recently seized and occupied a small port town in northern Somalia. Although they were quickly evicted they remain operational and withdrew to the countryside http://www.reuters.com/article/us-somalia-security-idUSKBN13W1EZ Click here to see the aerial view of the town
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Dec 8, 2016 06:39
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Hard to believe I forgot to mention the literal mass grave of torture that Bashar's balcony overlooks. And, yeah, the people that were released were not the political prisoners that were asked for. My point is that the idea people in this thread who get labelled "pro-Al' Qaeda" or as swallowing every bit of non-Russian propaganda because they are anti-Assad is incredible. He's a fascist murdering piece of poo poo, you can be against Assad and Putin and Erdogan and US involvement in Yemen and drone strikes in Pakistan, etc, etc all at the same time.
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Dec 8, 2016 06:45
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Are Kurds really naming new babies after Trump?
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Dec 8, 2016 06:47
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They did it for Bush supposedly.
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Cirofren posted:Are Kurds really naming new babies after Trump? Why would parents name their kids "rear end in a top hat?"
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It seems like there's this tendency to fling lovely ad hominems at Brown Moses rather than to engage his arguments. I'd actually be genuinely interested to see Moonraker or whoever else point to some factual issues.
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so that means I can be a cheapskate and post about posting instead of having some wit or spending any more on comedy avs for people. Which I'm also incapable of. Comedy.
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Retarded Goatee posted:It seems like there's this tendency to fling lovely ad hominems at Brown Moses rather than to engage his arguments. I'd actually be genuinely interested to see Moonraker or whoever else point to some factual issues. This is not a thing that is ever going to happen.
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Friendly Humour posted:This is not a thing that is ever going to happen. It's like the Ted Postol/Partisan Girl August 21st Sarin attacks thing, those who bring it up seem incapable of explaining exactly how it contradicts the claims I've made.
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Brown Moses posted:It's like the Ted Postol/Partisan Girl August 21st Sarin attacks thing, those who bring it up seem incapable of explaining exactly how it contradicts the claims I've made. Or that counterclaims you've made, like the ANNA report where SAA were clearing out neighborhoods 2km from Ghouta. Or the UN team's data. Didn't even Postol's figures regarding the ranges even prove to be wrong? I swear someone debunking that. BTW, I have not heard of Partisan Girl since forever. Is she still hustling Assad's Flavor-Aid?
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Thug Lessons posted:Sure. But they were also created and funded by US war hawk imperialists whose mission in life is to encourage regime change in the Middle East so that America can control it. They would be saying the same things regardless of what Assad did because they were created to say those things using humanitarianism as a cover. They simply would not exist were it not for those goals, and those same powers are performing a campaign of deception to hide their real purpose. This has been detailed in a series of articles by Max Blumenthal that are must-reads for anyone following the war in Syria. Max Blumenthal was also on the war nerd podcast a month or two ago, where he talked at length about this stuff and at the end they had a laff at brown moses. Very worth listening to imo
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Brown Moses posted:It's like the Ted Postol/Partisan Girl August 21st Sarin attacks thing, those who bring it up seem incapable of explaining exactly how it contradicts the claims I've made. We're all dreading the day you realise that the point of bringing it up isn't to contradict any claims you've made. The angst of that realisation might prove fatal. Stay safe!
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Squalid posted:Al Saqr is a good poster and I value his contributions. Haters out. Did this thread get linked on some dreadful offsite or something? What's with all the guys whose only posts are from a year ago defending the initial Russian intervention all appearing at once. Oh no, the steam chat illuminati strike again
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Young Freud posted:Or that counterclaims you've made, like the ANNA report where SAA were clearing out neighborhoods 2km from Ghouta. Or the UN team's data. Last I saw Postol was saying it was 2-2.5km range, which puts in range of those positions the SAA captured, you can even go to Google Earth and see SAA tanks in the area on August 23rd. Their first report on the subject of ranges was based on the White House map, nothing to do with us, and no-one has ever seriously challenged my work on the SAA frontlines. His and Partisangirls chemistry are for in flight mixing of the binary agents, which seeing everyone agree it was mixed pre-flight makes you wonder why people keep quoting it. Oh wait, I know, it's because they just read the headlines and didn't bother reading the details. One debate about Postol's figures is he insist on using the lower end figures where no nosecone is present, even though every example of a compete Volcano rocket where the front end is visible shows a nosecone, but he ignores that for some reason PartisanGirl has spread into the noble fields of GamerGate and the Alt-Right. Last I saw she had spoken at some far right conference in Austria.
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Retarded Goatee posted:It seems like there's this tendency to fling lovely ad hominems at Brown Moses rather than to engage his arguments. I'd actually be genuinely interested to see Moonraker or whoever else point to some factual issues. Okay got given a mod challange for calling a video fake . I have worked around fake production for a while in another capacity .To to me it had all the hallmarks of beingfake. I pointed out The little fires, the heat damage ,the dust, the cars, the wounds, the changes in lighting, and suns shadows, etc just seemed wrong as did the reactions of the people in the video all lead me to believe its fake. Best part is Dusty gave me his website as some kind of reference to how to spot a fake video. Now has dusty spent times in war zones has he expertise in video manipulation and staged propaganda ? To me he is far from qualified to make these claims that he are his website offer and unbiased expertise in these matters. Some pen pusher turned internet social justice warrior by all accounts. Dusty is more than happy for anyone to post any crap as long as it fits in with the agenda , to ban some one for saying they think some thing is fake is pathetic and more a indication of the inability of that person to accept other points of view . You know you can always hit the IGNORE button are just walk on by . Still waiting for Dusty to get back and proof to me why the Video is not fake when sure it is . If your going to ban people for this reason, people who donated to the website then at least respond to the prepubescent mod challenges you throw out , Some thing Stalin would have approved .Sent my unban fee with interest to dusty Work\Safe place he can pick it up Original video posted [quote="rear end struggle" post="467080164"]  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2pKfBEaF6uc What Russo-Syrian "liberation" looks like.
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moonraker posted:Still waiting for Dusty to get back and proof to me why the Video is not fake when sure it is . so you want him to prove a negative?
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Brown Moses posted:Last I saw Postol was saying it was 2-2.5km range, which puts in range of those positions the SAA captured, you can even go to Google Earth and see SAA tanks in the area on August 23rd. Their first report on the subject of ranges was based on the White House map, nothing to do with us, and no-one has ever seriously challenged my work on the SAA frontlines. His and Partisangirls chemistry are for in flight mixing of the binary agents, which seeing everyone agree it was mixed pre-flight makes you wonder why people keep quoting it. Oh wait, I know, it's because they just read the headlines and didn't bother reading the details. One debate about Postol's figures is he insist on using the lower end figures where no nosecone is present, even though every example of a compete Volcano rocket where the front end is visible shows a nosecone, but he ignores that for some reason More I read on Postol, the more he seems like an useful idiot. Like, maybe at one point he had a good handle on things, but is now blinded by making the pre-conditioned answers fit the equation. It looks like he's still well-respected by Federation of American Scientists and other politically-minded science/technology/military groups, but I feel that him making these claims weakens his statements on missile defense. If you're willing to overlook the aerodynamic coefficient of a nosecone because it does not fit your conclusions, what else are you going to overlook? PartisanGirl, I've always figured is an useful idiot. If she went from Syria to attending far-right meetings, she's definitely on the Putin payroll.
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Sinteres posted:Yugoslavia didn't fit their vision of a united liberal Europe, and their affinity for Russia didn't help. Nobody would have cared if Milosevic had been in Africa or parts of Asia, but in Eastern Europe he had to go. In addition to being an ally, Turkey gets a pass because they're not really European. Utter bollocks! NATO and EU had a fetish for keeping Yugoslavia up as a non-aligned party. And where was this decided excactly? Can you really imagine any number or EU/NATO country make such a "conspiracy" agreement? They knew where Yugoslavia as headed with Milosovic, and he was balls deep into Croatia before some started to change their tune. This might seem familiar, we had an embargo on Yugoslavia, we acted after it was way WAY to late.
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I was talking about Kosovo, not the breakup of Yugoslavia. In actual news, it looks like the SDF's Raqqa offensive is back on, though we've heard that one before so who knows. ISIS is also taking advantage of the recent SAA focus on Aleppo to launch what seems to be a pretty major offensive on Palmyra. Dr Kool-AIDS fucked around with this message at 17:41 on Dec 8, 2016 |
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Fairly impressive that IS can still launch a successful offensive, even if it is only against the NDF. Feels like the pro-gov forces have lost these oil fields in the region a hundred times by now. At some point they're going to have to deal with the unreliability of their paramilitaries.
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Redmark posted:Fairly impressive that IS can still launch a successful offensive, even if it is only against the NDF. Feels like the pro-gov forces have lost these oil fields in the region a hundred times by now. At some point they're going to have to deal with the unreliability of their paramilitaries. I guess sitting around waiting for people to show up and kill them is probably bad for morale, but it does seem crazy that they still have the ability to launch offensives at this stage in the war, yeah.
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Sinteres posted:I was talking about Kosovo, not the breakup of Yugoslavia.  https://twitter.com/InsideSourceInt/status/806840730526224384 quote:#Syria // #Palmyra // ISIS captured the Village of Jazzal located in Western Palmyra. https://twitter.com/leithfadel/status/806842301100199936 quote:ISIS seizes Jazal Oil Fields 10km northwest of Palmyra. ISIS also seized several checkpoints southwest of Palmyra today. Big development. And we may have an explanation why ISIL decided to do the attack now: https://twitter.com/PalmyraPioneer/status/806882790033752064 quote:According to testimonies from inside #Palmyra city. the #Russia|ns withdrew their troops and their vehicles from the city two days ago
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Sinteres posted:I guess sitting around waiting for people to show up and kill them is probably bad for morale, but it does seem crazy that they still have the ability to launch offensives at this stage in the war, yeah. It could be a Battle Of The Bulge-type campaign, one last gasp to seize resources and change the game.
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Enjoy posted:That was something the moderates asked for though My understanding is that he had a vast pool of prisoners from every political or social circle in Syrian society. From that pool he selectively released the hard liners that would eventually form the core of ISIS in Deir Ezzor, where they systematically targeted the oil structure used that wealth to finance their rise to power. When someone you know is imprisoned it is reasonable for you to look favorably upon any blanket release of people, but used strategically particular people can be released in certain areas that allow them to accomplish strategically useful things. Such as forming a hard line group capable of eating the rebellion from the inside out and de-legitimizing it in the eyes of the world. After all, the entire time you've been saying that the rebels are nothing but foreign backed terrorists who are out to destroy Syria. They aren't normal people, but radical jihadists out to destroy our civilization. And that can only be true if you systematically destroy every single person that doesn't represent that truth.  https://kyleorton1991.wordpress.com/2014/03/24/assessing-evidence-collusion-assad-isis-qaeda/ Somewhat partway down. Perhaps this is all a ruse and I'm a fool idk Odobenidae posted:Okay you have firmly convinced me that you all live in a fantasy world. I'll respect the thread's pro-truth bias and duck out for now. Sinteres posted:I don't want to get banned for no reason, so I'll go ahead and note that I didn't criticize his work, Why is the first instinct when challenged for proof to play victim and back down? Plenty of volume, minimal content. And now BM has that humorous new avatar. Tut tut.
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moonraker posted:Okay got given a mod challange for calling a video fake . I have worked around fake production for a while in another capacity .To to me it had all the hallmarks of beingfake. Uh dude I have nothing to do with CIT, but nice try.
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Looks like we might finally get a chance to see how a Leopard stands up to a ATGM. https://twitter.com/QalaatAlMudiq/status/806973805591728128
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Brother Friendship posted:Why is the first instinct when challenged for proof to play victim and back down? Plenty of volume, minimal content. And now BM has that humorous new avatar. So are you angling for moderator's best friend here or what? Let it go dude.
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Sinteres posted:So are you angling for moderator's best friend here or what? Let it go dude. No, he's right. Answer the question, 'dude'. Do you really have no other defense than that? 'Abuse of power!', 'Unqualified!', and now basically tarring people who disagree with that as moderator's pets? Even during just the last few pages in this thread, Brown Moses provided a lot of links to reputable external sources for his claims, but for some reason that goes by unmentioned and unquoted by the usual suspects. And after all this, you still act offended when, after several rounds of this poo poo, people throw up their hands and call you a Russian shill.
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Gimmick Account posted:No, he's right. Answer the question, 'dude'. Do you really have no other defense than that? 'Abuse of power!', 'Unqualified!', and now basically tarring people who disagree with that as moderator's pets? I genuinely didn't make the attacks I was accused of making, so I don't know what else you want from me. The guy had already quoted that same line and responded to it previously, and doing so again to dredge poo poo up after the thread had moved on seemed pretty unnecessary, especially when I was being lumped in with poo poo I didn't say in the first place. Pretty sure the guy with the star by his name doesn't need a bunch of fanbois to defend him anyway. Dr Kool-AIDS fucked around with this message at 01:14 on Dec 9, 2016 |
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Sinteres posted:I genuinely didn't make the attacks I was accused of making, so I don't know what else you want from me. The guy had already quoted that same line and responded to it previously, and doing so again to dredge poo poo up after the thread had moved on seemed pretty unnecessary, especially when I was being lumped in with poo poo I didn't say in the first place. Pretty sure the guy with the star by his name doesn't need a bunch of fanbois to defend him anyway. 'Yes, you see, those people agreeing with my opponent are just fanboys who have latched onto the closest figure of authority!', says the guy who defends the actions of a ruthless, imperialist autocrat at the head of a personality cult at every opportunity.
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I think Putin's a bad man and I'm horrified that the incoming US President doesn't seem to think so. I just also think Ukraine and Syria are pretty much in his sphere of influence and prefer some type of offshore balancing to the crusading neocon vision some posters itt prefer. But sure, go on believing that everyone who doesn't want war with Russia or who thinks the US had any role in contributing to the breakdown of international norms over the last couple decades is a Putin stooge.
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The US disregarding the UN in going to war in Iraq was an awful signal.
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Foreign Policy is reporting that Wikileaks have dumped 5 years worth of emails from Erdogan's son, Berat Albayrak, Minister for Energy and Natural Resources. https://foreignpolicy.com/2016/12/07/latest-wikileaks-dump-sheds-light-erdogan-turkey-berat-albayrak-redhack-hackers-oil/ No confirmation or implication on the authenticity from the Erdogans/Government. RedHack are the culprits and WIkileaks the distributor. RedHack were defined as an Armed Seperatist Terrorist Organisation by the Public Prosecutor after their history of hacking the state. The usual stuff is there, such as links to ISIS oil, and there's emails that apparently suggest since Gezi park in 2013 Turkey put together a 6,000 strong social media propaganda team. Which is hilarious when they keep banning their own citizens from Twitter and Youtube.
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Don't get why Assad buying ISIS oil isn't a bigger deal. Oh yeah, it's because it doesn't fit the Russo-Iranian disinformation axis's agenda.
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rear end struggle posted:Don't get why Assad buying ISIS oil isn't a bigger deal. Oh yeah, it's because it doesn't fit the Russo-Iranian disinformation axis's agenda. Or because he's already an international pariah and not a NATO member in good standing who can freely buy weapons from us? For some reason people have this idea that our allies should be better than our enemies.
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