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Home is where the heart is, that's why something something youth of today are heartless. God drat page snypes. Zimmerit!  
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SeanBeansShako posted:So uh, how do larger settlements than villages work out in this grade a insanity? didn't you know there were only little farming villages in the DARK AGES, and cities sprung out of nowhere just in time for the Renaissance
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Dec 9, 2016 00:24
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nothing to seehere posted:What? How can you ever be stupid enough to say that? Drinking lots of mercury, would be my guess.
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Dec 9, 2016 00:26
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nothing to seehere posted:What? How can you ever be stupid enough to say that? Write a book while on drugs called "The Chariot of the Gods" about aliens and ancient history and have it become an international best-seller
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Dec 9, 2016 00:34
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SeanBeansShako posted:So uh, how do larger settlements than villages work out in this grade a insanity? As soon as a citizen of London leaves their city block, they can't find their way back in the maze of alleyways and becomes a homeless bum.
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Dec 9, 2016 00:44
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JaucheCharly posted:Isn't Russia famous for people getting hillariously lost in the woods? Yes, but modern Russians have access to far more potent booze than their ancestors did.
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Dec 9, 2016 01:01
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chitoryu12 posted:As soon as a citizen of London leaves their city block, they can't find their way back in the maze of alleyways and becomes a homeless bum. TBH London and most English "cities" regardless of size beyond a certain age are a complete clusterfuck of town planning or lack of that it's entirely reasonable to get lost in.
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Dec 9, 2016 01:11
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Istanbul is literally a maze
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Dec 9, 2016 02:13
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JcDent posted:He's a...rennaisanceboo or something? This is literally the historical tradition we have inherited from the 18th century, lmao
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Dec 9, 2016 02:29
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bewbies posted:Istanbul is literally a maze History records the worst loss of human life in a single day when Constantinople ceased to be.
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Dec 9, 2016 02:32
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Jobbo_Fett posted:History records the worst loss of human life in a single day when Constantinople ceased to be. Are you sure? What about the sack of Baghdad, or the fall of Chang-an? The conquest of Tenochtitlan? The Romans estimated over 100,000 died during the capture of Jerusalem, while Constantinople only had 50,000 inhabitants during the Ottoman siege. And those are just examples from contemporary events; the bombing campaigns in Japan were exceptionally deadly, thanks in part to the number-crunching skills of McNamara. sullat fucked around with this message at 03:16 on Dec 9, 2016 |
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Dec 9, 2016 03:14
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Pistol_Pete posted:I could go on but the whole book is like this. I love the image of the peasant venturing a few fields too far from home, becoming hopelessly lost and wandering the country forever. The thing is, it's all fun and games, until you realise this is how the author must have imagined illiterate people living in traditional communities in the contemporary world. "Don't have a wristwatch? You must be one of those poo poo-smeared dogpeople. Here, let me give you some dung to sniff." There's a lot that's loving vile about that book.
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Dec 9, 2016 03:26
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sullat posted:Are you sure? What about the sack of Baghdad, or the fall of Chang-an? The conquest of Tenochtitlan? The Romans estimated over 100,000 died during the capture of Jerusalem, while Constantinople only had 50,000 inhabitants during the Ottoman siege. And those are just examples from contemporary events; the bombing campaigns in Japan were exceptionally deadly, thanks in part to the number-crunching skills of McNamara. You see, its a joke about how the city was renamed and thus nobody knew where they lived anymore and all suddenly died because that's what some idiot believes happened to people back in the day. Sorry.
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Dec 9, 2016 03:34
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Jobbo_Fett posted:You see, its a joke about how the city was renamed and thus nobody knew where they lived anymore and all suddenly died because that's what some idiot believes happened to people back in the day. Gotcha. Although they would have been sophisticated urbanites, one supposes, and thus able to find their way around as long as they had their smart phones.
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Dec 9, 2016 03:48
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Pistol_Pete posted:I could go on but the whole book is like this. I love the image of the peasant venturing a few fields too far from home, becoming hopelessly lost and wandering the country forever. How... How does the author think agriculture worked with no concept of time?
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Dec 9, 2016 04:25
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Millions of Medieval peasants died getting lost at night. Countless others were driven mad, the disappearance of the sun thought to herald the end times. This happened every night.
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Dec 9, 2016 04:26
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"Well I don't know Aethelric I buried some green stuff but it just won't grow? The ground is really hard and cold for some reason, why is that? How long does it normally take to grow a crop? Will I be able to eat it after I have fallen on the floor and lost consciousness three times?"
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Dec 9, 2016 04:29
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SeanBeansShako posted:Is there a list of crazies/old/debunked historians and books we should avoid? Anything by Keith Windschuttle. His idea of history goes, "if it's not written down in a form I accept it never happened", as well as just making stuff up about the culture of indigenous people to back up his prejudices. He's the holocaust revisionist of Australian history. ewe2 fucked around with this message at 04:59 on Dec 9, 2016 |
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Dec 9, 2016 04:30
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ewe2 posted:Anything by Keith Windschuttle. His idea of history goes, "if it's not written down in a form I accept it never happened", as well as just making stuff up about the culture of indigenous people to back up his prejudices. He's the Holocaust Revisionist of Australian history.
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Dec 9, 2016 04:39
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HEY GAL posted:looks like holocaust denial altho not Holocaust denial, iykwim Point taken but it was meant to be an analogy because it has all the same hallmarks. It would be kinder to call him a rank amateur historian if he wasn't so dogmatic about the points he thinks he proves, namely that post-1960's historiography was politically distorted, and that there are no sources that prove (just to take his first volume of The Fabrication of Aboriginal History) that the indigenous of Tasmania were fighting a frontier war with the colonists.
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Dec 9, 2016 05:03
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OwlFancier posted:How... How does the author think agriculture worked with no concept of time? Crop Rotation is a myth, apparently.
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Dec 9, 2016 05:17
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He also said (iirc) that money was invented exclusively to pay soldiers & also medieval people couldn't add or subtract.
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Dec 9, 2016 05:27
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Rodrigo Diaz posted:money was invented exclusively to pay soldiers Acebuckeye13 posted:Crop Rotation is a myth, apparently. HEY GUNS fucked around with this message at 05:30 on Dec 9, 2016 |
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Dec 9, 2016 05:28
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If money were only used to pay soldiers what would the soldiers do with it 
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Dec 9, 2016 05:32
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Use it to hire more soldiers
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Dec 9, 2016 05:39
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Mantis42 posted:Millions of Medieval peasants died getting lost at night. Countless others were driven mad, the disappearance of the sun thought to herald the end times. So this is an accurate representation of D&D peasants, so i know where that came from at least. TaurusTorus fucked around with this message at 05:55 on Dec 9, 2016 |
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Dec 9, 2016 05:44
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TaurusTorus posted:So this is an accurate representation of D&D peasants, so i know where that came from at elast. Basically they are the NPC's of every video game RPG settlement ever.
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Dec 9, 2016 05:49
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TaurusTorus posted:So this is an accurate representation of D&D peasants, so i know where that came from at elast. I'm choosing to interpret this as Debate & Discussion peasants.
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Dec 9, 2016 05:49
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Pontius Pilate posted:I'm choosing to interpret this as Debate & Discussion peasants. Nah, these are D&D peasants. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t2c-X8HiBng
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Dec 9, 2016 06:04
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You could make a Let's Read threat out of it to point out the bullshit
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Dec 9, 2016 06:39
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Mantis42 posted:Millions of Medieval peasants died getting lost at night. Countless others were driven mad, the disappearance of the sun thought to herald the end times. Normally if a cloud passed across the sun peasants could follow the pheromone trail that they left when scavenging for food to get back to home, but if also rain washed away the trail then they would be lost for good. This caused countless social disruptions and wars as a peasant stumbling onto an enemy hive was sure to be eaten. Elyv posted:If money were only used to pay soldiers what would the soldiers do with it What anyone with too much money and too few opportunities to spend it would do, gamble it all away
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Dec 9, 2016 08:32
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I had a book years ago written by some crazy German dude about how, in 1940 and 1941, the Germans were massing on their eastern border merely as a defensive measure, and barely pre-empted an attack from Stalin by a matter of weeks. In fact the Russians were more aggressively deployed, provoked the Germans, etc. etc. I cannot for the life of me remember the name of the book (I thought it was Hitler's War, but it looks like I'm wrong, it was not written by Irving).
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Dec 9, 2016 12:11
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That's Suvorov's Icebreaker.
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Dec 9, 2016 12:25
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chitoryu12 posted:As soon as a citizen of London leaves their city block, they can't find their way back in the maze of alleyways and becomes a homeless bum. Given that 'city blocks' aren't actually a thing in London or anywhere else in the UK other than maybe Milton Keynes, this is more plausible than you think.
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Dec 9, 2016 13:12
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Elyv posted:If money were only used to pay soldiers what would the soldiers do with it Simultaneously with introducing money you introduce taxes. The idea is that it is easier on your end as god-king to give coins to soldiers and require coins from farmers than to directly requisition food from farmers and distribute that to soldiers. It's a not completely insane theory for how widespread coinage is first introduced, as opposed to precious metal exchange being limited to high level interactions of temple complexes in Sumer or whatever. Thinking that this was a medieval era thing is nuts, though with the badly mangled grain of truth that small communities didn't rely on cash for most day to day transactions.
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Dec 9, 2016 13:23
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btw, A World Lit Only by Fire also claims that peasants didn't wear any clothes in the summer.
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Dec 9, 2016 13:27
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Mr Enderby posted:btw, A World Lit Only by Fire also claims that peasants didn't wear any clothes in the summer. the more of this i hear the more it feels like dwarf fortress patch notes
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Dec 9, 2016 13:38
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Mr Enderby posted:btw, A World Lit Only by Fire also claims that peasants didn't wear any clothes in the summer. A fitting Amazon review. 
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Dec 9, 2016 13:53
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Mr Enderby posted:btw, A World Lit Only by Fire also claims that peasants didn't wear any clothes in the summer. I wouldn't either if I was a peasant.
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Dec 9, 2016 13:56
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Here pictured are medieval peasants from (left to right) Bavaria, Sussex, Lombardia, Tuscany and Götaland.
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