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Dec 8, 2016 23:37
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symphoniccacophony posted:
Russia remembered this and gave Japan a days notice of their invasion, they then promptly rolled over the Manchuria border at something like 12:01am.
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Dec 8, 2016 23:43
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Chomskyan posted:Maybe Chinese people are geniunely upset over being subjected to horrifying attrocities during WW2. Well, you're absolutely wrong, "the Oriental doesn't place as much as much value on life as does the Westerner. Life is plentiful. Life is cheap in the Orient."
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Dec 8, 2016 23:44
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Maybe Japan's refusal to actually grapple with its past is interfering with friendlier relations between the two countries. Rather than the devious machinations of the inscrutable Chinamen I'm just spitballing here
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Dec 8, 2016 23:46
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Read the last couple pages and come back.
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Dec 8, 2016 23:50
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As an aside, it's kinda funny how you can guess whether someone will come down on Japan's or China's side based on where they've lived.
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Dec 8, 2016 23:51
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Chomskyan posted:Maybe Chinese people are geniunely upset over being subjected to horrifying attrocities during WW2. I think Chinese people today have every right to be upset over the horrifying atrocities their grandparents and great-grandparents were subjected to during WW2. Additionally, it's unarguable that the CCP rules regarding what topics are allowed when creating drama and films, and what can be shown on TV influence the choice of materials created and shown to the public. Depictions of "deviant lifestyles" such as gay couples in happy normal relationships are proscribed. Films and drama are required to provide a "moral story" in line with supporting CCP doctrine. It's not for nothing that Xi Jinping declared that the media "must bear the surname 'party'” In this context, the ever present war-dramas (just flick through the channels one night) are a safe (politically) and popular option. However, a common drama isn't dramatic, so, dramatic depictions rise to the point of absurdity, which is a disservice to the brave people that fought for freedom. I don't know if the CCP leadership is genuinely bothered by this though, or simply finds the shaping of public opinion in this way useful.
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Dec 8, 2016 23:53
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Chomskyan posted:Maybe Japan's refusal to actually grapple with its past is interfering with friendlier relations between the two countries. Rather than the devious machinations of the inscrutable Chinamen On the other hand, I can maybe imagine that their devious ilk would hold ill will long after it was relevant and be vindictive, something you'd never see us fine Western nations do of course. No, we're simply made of a finer moral material than they are. btw, I bothered to actually google what my fav movie about the Rape of Nanjing was called, it's "City of Life and Death". Good movie, recommend it freely Deceitful Penguin fucked around with this message at 23:56 on Dec 8, 2016 |
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Dec 8, 2016 23:54
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I would be less cynical about this if much of the Chinese persecution narrative wasn't generated by the state party in the 90's to distract from the Tiananmen protests.
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Dec 8, 2016 23:59
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shrike82 posted:As an aside, it's kinda funny how you can guess whether someone will come down on Japan's or China's side based on where they've lived. You mean, living in a place, you're likely to see the best and worst of a place, and far too often ex-pat's judgements are coloured in a negative way, with routine difficulties encountered contrasted with a comfortable life "back home"? On the other hand, if you're less familiar with a country, you might be more likely to give people there the benefit of the doubt, and not tend to believe they'd be capable of doing things you've seen done in other places? Otherwise, it'd be very depressing.
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Dec 9, 2016 00:02
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Nah actually the people who've spent time in Japan seem to be the strongest apologists.
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Dec 9, 2016 00:06
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Deceitful Penguin posted:Hmmm, you mean that they might possibly be a bit sore about having parts of their lands taken, then attacked by a brutal regime that soon became infamous for its cruelty Until the following clause I thought you were ironically referring to Communist China
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Dec 9, 2016 00:07
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Chomskyan posted:Maybe Chinese people are geniunely upset over being subjected to horrifying attrocities during WW2. Unfortunately it's hard to tell how much "the Chinese people" actually care or how much they would care were they not being subjected to a 24/7 barrage of propaganda.
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Dec 9, 2016 00:19
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Bloodnose posted:Until the following clause I thought you were ironically referring to Communist China Still, imagine the idea of Theresa May apologizing for the Firebombing of Dresden. It just ain't ever gonna happen.
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Dec 9, 2016 00:20
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Yup the Dresden bombings were equivalent to Unit 731.
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Dec 9, 2016 00:26
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Deceitful Penguin posted:Some of the magical things about the period is that there are warcrimes on all side. am I misreading this or are you implying the Chinese should apologize to the Japanese for their treatment of Japanese soldiers when they were getting invaded by them?
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Dec 9, 2016 00:30
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Fojar38 posted:Unfortunately it's hard to tell how much "the Chinese people" actually care or how much they would care were they not being subjected to a 24/7 barrage of propaganda. The US bombing of the Yugoslav Chinese embassy generated a lot of outrage that wasn't particularly prompted by the CPC, and actually got in the way of quietly resolving an unrelated issue.
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Dec 9, 2016 00:35
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Fojar38 posted:Unfortunately it's hard to tell how much "the Chinese people" actually care or how much they would care were they not being subjected to a 24/7 barrage of propaganda. I promise you the caring began long before the propaganda. The propaganda doesn't help, of course, but it is a minor factor at best. shrike82 posted:As an aside, it's kinda funny how you can guess whether someone will come down on Japan's or China's side based on where they've lived. Speaking of which, are there any other posters here from the mainland? For obvious reasons most people who haven't lived outside the country don't really engage with the non-Chinese internet, which is kind of a shame as I think more contact would cut down on the more extreme parts of the discourse.
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Dec 9, 2016 01:06
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angel opportunity posted:What are some instances of China apologizing for stuff it did as the PRC, to other nations or to their own people? Just curious if there is any significant apologies from them. I think they owe the people of North Korea an apology for not letting them lose the war.
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Dec 9, 2016 01:35
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As a person of vaguely Chinese descent, I believe the proper apology protocol is for Japan to come to China first with sufficient humility and apologize, China can either play the "your apology is not sincere enough" card and blow them off, or apologize back HARDER lest they risk losing face. There will be a round of lavish gift exchange where they try to out do each other. Until some internal factions within both sides decided that they are better off at each other's throat than friends, the apology contest is sabotaged and they go back to being frenemies.
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Dec 9, 2016 02:47
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Redmark posted:I promise you the caring began long before the propaganda. The propaganda doesn't help, of course, but it is a minor factor at best. There used to be more and some lurkers here and there years ago but most got turned off by this thread. We had people arguing that sexual maturity is equal to actual maturity or whatever. I'm from Hong Kong and my related family were relatively shielded from the atrocities of the war. Hong Kong actually suffered some nasty poo poo as well and I'm a bit angry about the current government neglecting the contribution of the colonial allied forces. and Canada. None of our public officials go to the war memorial anymore and the public circlejerks of dong jiang guerillas. Our ww2 veterans association is a dingy building underneath a loving highway overpass.
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Dec 9, 2016 02:49
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I'm going to Japan for the 19th time
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Dec 9, 2016 02:51
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Japan has actually apologized a shitload of times but you never hear about it because continuing to be aggrieved is a political policy in China and Korea. The "they never apologized" thing is a total myth.
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Dec 9, 2016 02:54
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shrike82 posted:Yup the Dresden bombings were equivalent to Unit 731. That said, moral calculus is possibly the most pathetic thing to get up to so eehhh Koramei posted:am I misreading this or are you implying the Chinese should apologize to the Japanese for their treatment of Japanese soldiers when they were getting invaded by them? Then again, the only atrocity my people committed recently was a massacre of Basques in the 1800s so its easy to say that~ caberham posted:I'm going to Japan for the 19th time Fojar38 posted:Japan has actually apologized a shitload of times but you never hear about it because continuing to be aggrieved is a political policy in China and Korea. The "they never apologized" thing is a total myth. ~and so the circle continues~
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Dec 9, 2016 03:25
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caberham posted:I'm going to Japan for the 19th time What do you think of the racism towards Chinese by Japanese? There was an incident recently where a Tokyo train driver made an announcement apologising for the foreigners on the train and reading between the lines, you could tell that it was Chinese tourists. Stuff like this seems pretty pervasive.
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Dec 9, 2016 03:30
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I think China should apologize to Japan for Chinese tourists. Chinese tourists are loving awful. Hey Cabe
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Dec 9, 2016 03:38
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Looks like Singapore's got some apologizing to do as well.SCMP posted:... it probably wasn’t Singapore’s intention to hurt the feelings of the Chinese people ...
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Dec 9, 2016 03:49
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Do note that, from what I can tell, what hurt Chinese feelings was that Singapore was upset over the seizure of Singaporean military hardware, transiting through China after holding military exercises in Taiwan.
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Dec 9, 2016 04:02
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Stringent posted:I think China should apologize to Japan for Chinese tourists. Chinese tourists are loving awful. they're surprisingly good at picking the Chinese out. When Cabe and I were walking down the street in Osaka, a camera store guy started barking deals at him in Mandarin. Or maybe he figured only a perfidious Chinaman would dare associate with a covetous Jew. I don't know h the racial calculus works in Japan
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Dec 9, 2016 10:03
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Wait a minute, maybe china is using japan has a "external enemy" to distract his people from internal problems? then that is more useful to them than any kneeling Tei fucked around with this message at 11:14 on Dec 9, 2016 |
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Dec 9, 2016 10:31
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Koramei posted:am I misreading this or are you implying the Chinese should apologize to the Japanese for their treatment of Japanese soldiers when they were getting invaded by them? imo Theresa May should apologize for the Firebombing of Dresden
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Dec 9, 2016 11:24
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Tei posted:Wait a minute, maybe china is using japan has a "external enemy" to distract his people from internal problems? then that is more useful to them than any kneeling This post is a mindfuck
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Dec 9, 2016 11:42
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Bloodnose posted:Or maybe he figured only a perfidious Chinaman would dare associate with a covetous Jew. I don't know h the racial calculus works in Japan  Obviously he could tell that Cabe did not possess Yamato-Damashii.
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Dec 9, 2016 14:16
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I made the mistake of Facebook tomfoolery and it looks like a lost cause--but I repeat myself. Regardless, I am coming in probably 200 posts late to comment on the reaction to Trump's running his mouth about the Taiwan phone call. Was this generally inconsequential in China? I am assuming it is not and it only appears that way because this guy making the assertion isn't about to go scouring tons of Chinese news sources--possibly even having to translate them--to find out their full reaction.
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Dec 10, 2016 17:55
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It's not. Trump supporters are only going to have to retreat further into their fact-free cocoon to avoid the cognitive dissonance of electing a populist who will preside over the greatest tear-down of middle class economic policies since Reconstruction.
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Dec 10, 2016 21:53
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shrike82 posted:What do you think of the racism towards Chinese by Japanese? There was an incident recently where a Tokyo train driver made an announcement apologising for the foreigners on the train and reading between the lines, you could tell that it was Chinese tourists. Stuff like this seems pretty pervasive. You can blame Hong Kong and Taiwan for the huge influx of mainland tourists. They have been going to Japan for ages and like most tourists visiting Japan, it's super easy to fall in love with the country. In the mainland there are still lots of people who are very angry about the country and can't separate the people from the politics and boycott everything Japanese. They are probably people heavily affected by atrocities like Nanjing or 731. Or they are heavily related to the communist government apparatus. My coworkers are from Hong Kong and we have joint venture with a Japanese company. After working with different Japanese suppliers and clients my coworkers do not like dealing with Japanese people very much in terms of work setting. They believe Japanese work culture is too rigid. Our Japanese partners won't even sell their products to non Japanese affiliated companies even when we have potential American/Chinese customers knocking on our door. So my some of my coworkers end up hating any Japanese government with a burning passion but enjoy their goods and tourism. And their women. It's weird. I just roll my eyes and groan at the right wingers and older generation. So that's the Chinese side of sino Japanese tourism. As for the Japanese side, I feel that they actually don't like dealing with foreigners and prefer domestic consumption but because of the economy they will begrudgingly serve tourists. As long as they understand Japanese customs or language. It's easy for Japan feel like they are the top pecking order in east Asia and rather deal with more exotic Europeans and Americans. My post is getting too long but i think Japanese store owners and manufacturers are very happy with the huge influx of tourists while other people will tolerate them as long as they are not too rowdy. See Hong Kong and Taiwan dealing with mainlanders. Funny enough Hongkongers and Taiwanese are the gaudy tourists when they visit Japan. Blow a poo poo tonne of money in no time and get super excited. Yelling across the Keio plaza hotel lobby, lugging their suit cases and smashing people. Talking too loud in my keisei skyliner. Lining up in sushi dai, not going to the national museums and just spending all day in yodobashi camera and pharmacies.
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Dec 11, 2016 03:01
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caberham posted:So my some of my coworkers end up hating any Japanese government with a burning passion but enjoy their goods and tourism. And their women. It's weird. I am told that one of my distantly-related family members would leave the water tap open at Japanese hotels, which is perhaps the lamest act of hatred I have ever heard of.
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Dec 11, 2016 03:27
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caberham posted:Blow a poo poo tonne of money in no time and get super excited. Yelling across the Keio plaza hotel lobby, lugging their suit cases and smashing people. Talking too loud in my keisei skyliner. Lining up in sushi dai, not going to the national museums and just spending all day in yodobashi camera and pharmacies. Needs a little work so that it rhymes, and more verses. Then it would make a baller HK tourist rap video.
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Dec 11, 2016 03:54
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Redmark posted:I am told that one of my distantly-related family members would leave the water tap open at Japanese hotels, which is perhaps the lamest act of hatred I have ever heard of. lol
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Redmark posted:I am told that one of my distantly-related family members would leave the water tap open at Japanese hotels, which is perhaps the lamest act of hatred I have ever heard of.
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