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UHD posted:so when the berns take over the party and become the establishment does that mean i have to hate them Only if you are continuously trying to chase the center. If you have values, then once the establishment reflects those values, you no longer hate them. If you currently support the status quo it is because you agree with the status quo and all that entails.
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at this point I think the party lining up behind Ellison is less about trying to get a corporatist yeerk into his ear and more about recognizing the inevitable when the adl came out against him and chuck schumer (d-israel) said "nah he's fine" i think the tide had turned still, until the votes are in be wary of the dolchstoss
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Fiction posted:gently caress buying or talking about houses in this thread. sorry for going off-topic i know d&d is super strict about this sort of thing  (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Former Everything posted:i hope i get the vault where we eat pink slime and turn into pink ghouls and everything is pink that was a school not a vault
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Mirthless posted:sorry for going off-topic i know d&d is super strict about this sort of thing A mod literally asked you to stop lol
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ALL-PRO SEXMAN posted:"neoliberal" is one of those words that's ceased to have any meaning to me because goons have thrown it around at a bunch of people they don't like for so long Just want to second this. My eyes glaze over every time I see it used in these threads because I have no idea what the poster is actually trying to say.
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ALL-PRO SEXMAN posted:"neoliberal" is one of those words that's ceased to have any meaning to me because goons have thrown it around at a bunch of people they don't like for so long i can attest to this, i didnt know what it meant for a long rear end time
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Shinjobi posted:Furthermore, continuing with the "symbiote=establishment" comparison, there's further danger in the establishment going off and creating its own offshoot that's even crazier and blatantly evil than the original establishment. This concludes my establishment symbiote seminar. I hope you enjoyed it as much as I did.
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ALL-PRO SEXMAN posted:that was a school not a vault well nevermind im not going into any school even if it means becoming a pink immortal monster
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RENEGADE CUCKSKY posted:oh, word. this would be true if housing prices operated in an economic vacuum. pro tip: if housing prices are dropping, the economy is almost inevitably going to be in a downward spiral. mortgage-backed securities raus
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Rastor posted:Ellison is the leftist choice, but the establishment thinks they can stick him into the position and then ignore / undermine him and then tell the left "hey it's not our fault the neoliberal train kept rolling, we put your guy in". frankly i really like this version of the democratic party you've imagined because it's vastly more organized and disciplined than real life
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Grognan posted:wtf is going on with language, can't use specific terms to describe things because they've been defensively poisoned by having been used wrong People would rather ruin the very idea of communication than be wrong or be called something they don't like.
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radical meme posted:Just want to second this. My eyes glaze over every time I see it used in these threads because I have no idea what the poster is actually trying to say. should I just say third-way then? Because pro-business, anti-labor, anti-welfare, and anti-poor policies kinda all fall under that umbrella for me.
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radical meme posted:Just want to second this. My eyes glaze over every time I see it used in these threads because I have no idea what the poster is actually trying to say. we really should bring back the 'neoliberal' -> 'n-word' filter. DAD LOST MY IPOD posted:at this point I think the party lining up behind Ellison is less about trying to get a corporatist yeerk into his ear and more about recognizing the inevitable this post has layers
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Fiction posted:A mod literally asked you to stop lol Part of the reason I like to give warning posts like that is I feel even less bad than usual for probating those who ignore them! radical meme posted:Just want to second this. My eyes glaze over every time I see it used in these threads because I have no idea what the poster is actually trying to say. As fa as I can tell, many have just casually redefined it to "disappointing centrist/establishment democrat with corporate sympathies whom I don't like," rather than what the word actually means. Which is lazy and stupid on their part, of course.
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Concerned Citizen posted:frankly i really like this version of the democratic party you've imagined because it's vastly more organized and disciplined than real life When something they actually care about is on the line (i.e. their gravy train) you'll be amazed at what they are able to accomplish.
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UHD posted:so when the berns take over the party and become the establishment does that mean i have to hate them Bernie has been a senator for a very long time so if establishment just means having a lot of power over a long period of time Bernie is establishment. IMO establishment is a combination of centrism and having policies that *for some reason* match up 100% with what the richest, most influential lobbying groups support which are generally against the interests of everyone else.
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Captain_Maclaine posted:Part of the reason I like to give warning posts like that is I feel even less bad than usual for probating those who ignore them! What's the word actually mean? I thought it described Hillary and the DNC platform well. i.e. https://www.demconvention.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/Democratic-Party-Platform-7.21.16-no-lines.pdf I would describe that as "neo-liberal." But maybe I'm wrong?
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Mirthless posted:sorry for going off-topic i know d&d is super strict about this sort of thing you loving cog in the machine.
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MizPiz posted:When something they actually care about is on the line (i.e. their gravy train) you'll be amazed at what they are able to accomplish. yeah the powerless minority party is really delivering that gravy train
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Also Perez is the biggest baby loser (he's crying really hard right now) and only losers are backing him, who'da thought
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Grognan posted:should I just say third-way then? Because pro-business, anti-labor, anti-welfare, and anti-poor policies kinda all fall under that umbrella for me. Describing someone as a "third-way" politician might in fact be more accurate and descriptive.
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ate poo poo on live tv posted:What's the word actually mean? I thought it described Hillary and the DNC platform well. neoliberalism has a specific definition related to economic policy, but I forget the specifics
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wordfilter "neoliberal" to "sheeple"
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radical meme posted:Describing someone as a "third-way" politician might in fact be more accurate and descriptive. yeah, triangulating third-way shitbags is way more accurate
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'third-way' will be the next "word for people i don't like", then you can start this game again.
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MaxxBot posted:Bernie has been a senator for a very long time so if establishment just means having a lot of power over a long period of time Bernie is establishment. bernie is establishment because he's been a senator, is a ranking member of committees, and votes in party line like what 95% of the time? He is establishment, that's not a bad thing to be inherently.
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Captain_Maclaine posted:Part of the reason I like to give warning posts like that is I feel even less bad than usual for probating those who ignore them! So what does the word actually mean?
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Concerned Citizen posted:yeah the powerless minority party is really delivering that gravy train This is the most likely reason Schumer jumped on the Keith train so quick You do not become Chucky Schumer without knowing how to see where the wind is blowing
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ALL-PRO SEXMAN posted:neoliberalism has a specific definition related to economic policy, but I forget the specifics Well I am specifically talking about their economic policies. Though I'm not an economist, so I'm sure there is some specific technicality where those specific market based solutions aren't technically neoliberal because
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Concerned Citizen posted:yeah the powerless minority party is really delivering that gravy train You're right, just look at the dire straights the Republicans were in after 2008.
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loquacius posted:where the wind is blowing An eight year passing fart that didn't smell too bad just passed us by since the 8th. Trump's farts will be like something died and it will last for eight years.
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Tatum Girlparts posted:bernie is establishment because he's been a senator, is a ranking member of committees, and votes in party line like what 95% of the time? He is establishment, that's not a bad thing to be inherently. lol. What position does Bernie hold in the DNC?
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ate poo poo on live tv posted:What's the word actually mean? I thought it described Hillary and the DNC platform well. MizPiz posted:So what does the word actually mean? Neo-liberalism is an economic position that emphasizes, in its current incarnation, free trade and deregulation of domestic finance and industry, plus the sort of third-way stuff the Clinton administration pulled back in the 90s. While it's not therefore necessarily wrong to call Hillary herself a neo-liberal, since she was knee-deep in that stuff back then and hasn't changed her relative stances overmuch, most often when it gets brought up in CSPAM it's just someone slagging on disappointing Democrats by trying to call them the centrist equivalent of the neo-cons of the W era. Nonsense posted:'third-way' will be the next "word for people i don't like", then you can start this game again. Christ, and here I just used that one.
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ate poo poo on live tv posted:Well I am specifically talking about their economic policies. Though I'm not an economist, so I'm sure there is some specific technicality where those specific market based solutions aren't technically neoliberal because point is that nobody actually cares about what it's supposed to mean anymore so it's basically a worthless snarl word
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ate poo poo on live tv posted:lol. What position does Bernie hold in the DNC? senate committees, my dude, you know the things you get pretty much by sticking around super long?
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The third way from the sun
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Tatum Girlparts posted:bernie is establishment because he's been a senator, is a ranking member of committees, and votes in party line like what 95% of the time? He is establishment, that's not a bad thing to be inherently. Establishment Independent
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