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Well What Now posted:its seriously fun how socialists always scream about how those drat liberals are ineffective quislings whose tactics achieve nothing, then go back to talking past each other about how this one issue is totally important and if only you'll agree with every last comma in their abstruse wall of text on the subject then we can finally bring equality to the masses liberals are quislings, but they are by no means ineffective at continuing to sell us out to the corporations and the global capitalist elite do not underestimate the enemy ed(it) balls
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maybe the loving third way incrementalists kept getting into positions of power because they occasionally managed to make some measurable amount of progess on occasion instead of just theorycrafting at windmills
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Well What Now posted:its seriously fun how socialists always scream about how those drat liberals are ineffective quislings whose tactics achieve nothing, then go back to talking past each other about how this one issue is totally important and if only you'll agree with every last comma in their abstruse wall of text on the subject then we can finally bring equality to the masses though it was idpol that fired the first shot there Well What Now posted:maybe the loving third way incrementalists kept getting into positions of power because they occasionally managed to make some measurable amount of progess on occasion instead of just theorycrafting at windmills
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Well What Now posted:maybe the loving third way incrementalists kept getting into positions of power because they occasionally managed to make some measurable amount of progess on occasion instead of just theorycrafting at windmills Maybe its actually people like you who talk down your nose at leftists who ruin things?
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ALL-PRO SEXMAN posted:Republicans: This psychotic candidate for state legislature has an (R) after his name, gonna vote for him! Perfect is the enemy of good.
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Well What Now posted:maybe the loving third way incrementalists kept getting into positions of power because they occasionally managed to make some measurable amount of progess on occasion instead of just theorycrafting at windmills Please show me the way to post that will achieve measurable progress.
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Aurubin posted:I just discovered that my grandfather left me stock that paid dividends when he died, so I can no longer be part of the revolution. Please direct me to the nearest wall so I can be up against it. I don't think you understand how executions work lil dog
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Serf posted:liberals are quislings, but they are by no means ineffective at continuing to sell us out to the corporations and the global capitalist elite the enemy is Trump and his cronies liberals are useful idiots who may yet be turned to our advantage if we can stop being smug jackasses about everything
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Well What Now posted:the enemy is Trump and his cronies so, never
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Well What Now posted:maybe the loving third way incrementalists kept getting into positions of power because they occasionally managed to make some measurable amount of progess on occasion instead of just theorycrafting at windmills Orrr they just had tons of money and connections. You pick 
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100 degrees Calcium posted:Please show me the way to post that will achieve measurable progress. If I knew this I wouldn't be angryposting ITT
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Well What Now posted:liberals are useful idiots who may yet be turned to our advantage if we can stop being smug jackasses about everything They would best serve by being replaced. Being able to hold a job as a politician is not directly linked to being able to create progress as a politician.
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Well What Now posted:liberals are useful idiots who may yet be turned to our advantage if we can stop being smug jackasses about everything "RACSEXIST!!!!" "ugh can we toss this person out and replace them with something useful i don't think we can work with this"
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Its almost like there was a massive political and societal antagonism toward leftist policy for the last 50 years that caused the abandonment of New Deal policies for temporary political gain but I dunno I'm just a shitposter
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100 degrees Calcium posted:They would best serve by being replaced. Being able to hold a job as a politician is not directly linked to being able to create progress as a politician. or keep them in office if they have useful skills and cow them into line with fear I keep saying this but we have to win bigly before we can purge the heretics
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Well What Now posted:the enemy is Trump and his cronies my primary question for liberals is this: are you down with letting capitalism continue to gently caress us into oblivion? if they are, they're a neoliberal or a conservative who doesn't know it yet like all those "socially liberal, fiscally conservative" idiots who don't realize you can't have the first thing coexist with the second. if they're willing to stand up against the elites, then I'll gladly have them along, but we don't need class traitors loving us up from the inside
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Anime Schoolgirl posted:"don't bust unions please" ok those people can get fed into a stump grinder
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bump_fn posted:remember how people like to ignore that mlk jr was a socialist Hardly anyone knows that Hellen Keller was a hardcore socialist who regularly called out Woodrow Wilson for being a centrist.
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Anime Schoolgirl posted:"don't bust unions please" Will protecting unions end racism? Checkmate socialist 
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Serf posted:my primary question for liberals is this: are you down with letting capitalism continue to gently caress us into oblivion? yeah I agree with this
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I'm not even advocating for the destruction of capitalism (yet), only that we shackle it and make it serve the public interest. force caps on personal wealth like Huey Long proposed, limit yearly maximum incomes and tax the rich 100% above it. you can still live in the mansion of your choosing, but no more stockpiling wealth and investing it into poo poo that only benefits the bare minimum of humanity. once we've got capitalism by the balls then we can gut it, but that's my version of ~incrementalism~
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Serf posted:I'm not even advocating for the destruction of capitalism (yet), only that we shackle it and make it serve the public interest. force caps on personal wealth like Huey Long proposed, limit yearly maximum incomes and tax the rich 100% above it. you can still live in the mansion of your choosing, but no more stockpiling wealth and investing it into poo poo that only benefits the bare minimum of humanity. genuine question, since it comes up so much, how would you possibly sell things like 'caps on personal wealth' to the whole 'temporarily embarrassed millionaire' crowd that Trump won over so easy?
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Tatum Girlparts posted:genuine question, since it comes up so much, how would you possibly sell things like 'caps on personal wealth' to the whole 'temporarily embarrassed millionaire' crowd that Trump won over so easy? To be honest the only thing that Americans understand is catastrophe. We couldn't have the New Deal without the Great Depression. We as Americans have a proud tradition of being too stupid/willfully ignorant of any given issue until it boils over and fucks us hard. And even then there's no actual guarantee we'll do anything to fix it. In fact the GOP is dedicated to digging any hole deeper.
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Serf posted:I'm not even advocating for the destruction of capitalism (yet), only that we shackle it and make it serve the public interest. force caps on personal wealth like Huey Long proposed, limit yearly maximum incomes and tax the rich 100% above it. you can still live in the mansion of your choosing, but no more stockpiling wealth and investing it into poo poo that only benefits the bare minimum of humanity. 
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Phi230 posted:To be honest the only thing that Americans understand is catastrophe. We couldn't have the New Deal without the Great Depression. We as Americans have a proud tradition of being too stupid/willfully ignorant of any given issue until it boils over and fucks us hard. And even then there's no actual guarantee we'll do anything to fix it. In fact the GOP is dedicated to digging any hole deeper. fair
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Serf posted:I'm not even advocating for the destruction of capitalism (yet), only that we shackle it and make it serve the public interest. force caps on personal wealth like Huey Long proposed, limit yearly maximum incomes and tax the rich 100% above it. you can still live in the mansion of your choosing, but no more stockpiling wealth and investing it into poo poo that only benefits the bare minimum of humanity. I agree, I just don't want to gut any potential source of support for the early stages of that kind of incrementalism prematurely. The Bolsheviks didn't start their revolution by shooting the Kadets and the Mensheviks, after all. Tatum Girlparts posted:genuine question, since it comes up so much, how would you possibly sell things like 'caps on personal wealth' to the whole 'temporarily embarrassed millionaire' crowd that Trump won over so easy? Tell them they won't pay a dime of those taxes unless they make more than whatever the $100,000+/yr figure is that the cap kicks in at. Well What Now has issued a correction as of 02:54 on Dec 10, 2016 |
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Serf posted:if they're willing to stand up against the elites, then I'll gladly have them along, but we don't need class traitors loving us up from the inside Have you literally ever done actual organizing/activism outside of a something awful thread or are you worrying about fifth columnists in a hypothetical organization
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Phi230 posted:To be honest the only thing that Americans understand is catastrophe. We couldn't have the New Deal without the Great Depression. We as Americans have a proud tradition of being too stupid/willfully ignorant of any given issue until it boils over and fucks us hard. And even then there's no actual guarantee we'll do anything to fix it. In fact the GOP is dedicated to digging any hole deeper. Time for a new new deal. A "fair" deal.
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Tight Booty Shorts posted:Time for a new new deal. A "fair" deal. You know I was hoping that things were lol ok enough to warrant a new Great Society ala Johnson but nooooo America sucks, New Deal Democrats are dead, and death is certain. The inevitable economic collapse under Trump is gonna usher in a new era of leftist politics. lol no, its gonna be bad then its gonna get worse
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Well What Now posted:
The republicans have made the estate tax, which is literally exactly in that wheelhouse of '99% of america will never even look at this tax', into an issue mine workers in the mountains who can't feed their kids are 100% positive will affect them. How do you counter this?
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Well What Now posted:or keep them in office if they have useful skills and cow them into line with fear most liberal democrats hate the left a lot more than they do the right
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jarofpiss posted:personally, i say seize state power and destroy capitalism
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Terror Sweat posted:most liberal democrats hate the left a lot more than they do the right
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Well What Now posted:I agree, I just don't want to gut any potential source of support for the early stages of that kind of incrementalism prematurely. fair enough, all I'm saying is don't trust liberals, especially those in charge of the Democrats. work with them, but watch them carefully. they've gotten pretty far selling people on the socially liberal stuff, which plays well with their base, while implementing the fiscal conservative stuff and taking money from corporate interests the best thing to do is call them out on the poo poo they do that is actively harmful to the well-being of Americans
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Serf posted:fair enough, all I'm saying is don't trust liberals, especially those in charge of the Democrats. work with them, but watch them carefully. they've gotten pretty far selling people on the socially liberal stuff, which plays well with their base, while implementing the fiscal conservative stuff and taking money from corporate interests Idpol is a mechanism by the centrists to con/force the left together
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this thread is cool until someone posts a bad opinion twice and then it turns bad for 3 pages because even the people with good opinions cant help but respond to the one person over and over and over again
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logikv9 posted:capitalism owns capitalism is an animal that must be leashed. it cares not for your children, and will eat them.
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