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Sheng-ji Yang posted:i havent read any of the us politics threads in d&d since the election, are they still terrible hillarymen or have they finally become woke In the politoons thread everyone seems to be hell-bent on avoiding drama or introspection of any kind with a few exceptions (a few hillarymen, Xenoveritas, and me) but that thread is mostly focused outward ie "what are the republicans saying about <thing>" so it's to be expected
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Homeless Friend posted:We thought Donald had run the biggest grifting operation in existence by skimming like 30% off the top but it turned out the entire Hillary op was exclusively built from the ground up to grift rich Hollywood liberals and turn it into salaries for the most worthless hacks in existence. Bill Mitchell had more political acumen than them. 
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Hillary in the house Hillary in the white house
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DoctorGonzo posted:is that lady gaga? the dems should legit run lady gaga or any celebrity who wants to
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DoctorGonzo posted:is that lady gaga? no red armband
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Venom Snake posted:the dems should legit run lady gaga or any celebrity who wants to Overrelying on celebrities is one of the mistakes we made this year though, if we went with this tack it'd have to be someone from a deep red area for authenticity slash relatability reasons. Oprah. We'd have to run Oprah.
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axeil posted:i'm just loling at everyone still getting mad about wall street. Yea these are definitely the people we want in our party
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Concerned Citizen posted:because rallies aren't actually that useful and never will be. TRUMP! *CLICK*
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Venom Snake posted:the dems should legit run lady gaga or any celebrity who wants to  You mean like this 
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Tight Booty Shorts posted:
no, like this 
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Sheng-ji Yang posted:no, like this One of the best moment in the election was final night when Gaga was dancing like a moron while Pence was just talking. I think there is a gif of that moment.
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DoctorGonzo posted:One of the best moment in the election was final night when Gaga was dancing like a moron while Pence was just talking. I think there is a gif of that moment. I need this in my life.
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Oprah would be great except prepare ur butte for surgeon general "(((doctor)))" Oz's mandatory organic coffee and oatmeal enemas, citizen
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Tight Booty Shorts posted:Yea these are definitely the people we want in our party Building a party with NeverTrumpers is like hanging out with Glenn Beck. Always Remember that.
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Concerned Citizen posted:when i mention the strengths of the campaign, i mean that the work done to carry out the orders given were very good. and that indicates a strong campaign culture that was dedicated to electing the candidate rather than advancing careers or preening egos. very hard to build in a few months. that said, there were problems and i think the program was not as god as obama 2012 overall, which itself was good mostly because of the sheer amount of money spent on it. Yes. The Hillary Clinton campaign was clearly well versed in knowing what works in gotv. Maybe, friend, it is time to admit that the campaign was dysfunctional and hosed up on every level of its strategy, and the only ones who knew what they were doing were the state parties - who had all their money siphoned off by the victory fund for worthless celebrity and red state suburban mom outreach. Maybe centralizing all the campaign money so frauds with algorithms can waste it is a bad approach and contributes to the Dems having no organization outside of general elections? Also lol at the continued insistence Hillary ran a poo poo campaign only because she had a few months to build it (because of that mean ol' Bernie not rolling over).
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IF YOU IGNORE EVERYTHING THAT ACTUALLY HAPPENED, I THINK YOU'LL FIND HILLARY DID NOTHING WRONG
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"Overall, I'd say that this campaign, which lost to the most beatable opponent of all time, is not as good as the Obama 2012 campaign, which won a landslide victory and kept its candidate in the White House." thanks for your indepth analysis there
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loquacius posted:In the politoons thread everyone seems to be hell-bent on avoiding drama or introspection of any kind with a few exceptions (a few hillarymen, Xenoveritas, and me) Not every mind is strong enough to withstand the shock of being less right than Garrison and Rall about something. Many political observers have simply been lost to the screaming dark.
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loquacius posted:Overrelying on celebrities is one of the mistakes we made this year though, if we went with this tack it'd have to be someone from a deep red area for authenticity slash relatability reasons. Oprah. We'd have to run Oprah. I don't think it would have to be from a red state person or anything. Just someone with presence outside of their fan base. A household name. Oprah does work.
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loquacius posted:"Overall, I'd say that this campaign, which lost to the most beatable opponent of all time, is not as good as the Obama 2012 campaign, which won a landslide victory and kept its candidate in the White House." Second most beatable opponent of all time, lol
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Not a Step posted:Yes. The Hillary Clinton campaign was clearly well versed in knowing what works in gotv. the most loving absurd part of this is that Hillary stayed in the primary against Obama even longer, the convention in 2008 wasn't until THE END OF AUGUST. Obama had all of two months to campaign against his opponent. He beat McCain (who is incredibly beloved by a lot of Americans for some loving reason) like a red-headed stepchild. A good candidate doesn't need extra time to beat their opponent, they need to have a message and strategy that actually loving works
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crazy cloud posted:Second most beatable opponent of all time, lol oh SSHIT im gonna use that. holy gently caress thats hard
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crazy cloud posted:Second most beatable opponent of all time, lol ironically I think most of the traditional republican field may have lost to hillary in a general she wouldn't have been focusing so much of her campaign around how terrible her opponent was, and might have actually had a chance to express an ideal or two in front of a camera. The other GOP candidates didn't have a real message either so they wouldn't have been able to net the populists like Trump did. Trump was a complete disaster that could have been beaten by just about anyone, using just about any strategy other than the one our candidate used. Americans really do hate negative campaigning, as it turns out
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crazy cloud posted:Second most beatable opponent of all time, lol 
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Mirthless posted:the most loving absurd part of this is that Hillary stayed in the primary against Obama even longer, the convention in 2008 wasn't until THE END OF AUGUST. Obama had all of two months to campaign against his opponent. He beat McCain (who is incredibly beloved by a lot of Americans for some loving reason) like a red-headed stepchild. or the conflicting narratives of "bernie ruined it by not giving enough time in the general" and "actually our super serious research shows only the last 10 days matter so we sat on our hands and watched pantsuit memes until then"
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Mirthless posted:ironically I think most of the traditional republican field may have lost to hillary in a general IIRC, the polling during the primaries showed Trump was one of their weaker candidates against her in a general, for whatever that's worth.
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Mirthless posted:ironically I think most of the traditional republican field may have lost to hillary in a general yea lol it was a pretty much perfect failure, amazing how perfectly everything had to line up to get us here. Jeb! really WAS low energy and Hillary most likely would have cruised to victory vs. him the way she expected to against trump, either not recognizing or not accepting that the rules changed / never existed for donald
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FuriousxGeorge posted:IIRC, the polling during the primaries showed Trump was one of their weaker candidates against her in a general, for whatever that's worth. Remember when everyone said 'Head to head GE polling in the primaries is meaningless'? I guess it was true!
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Yea Hillary was on track to bet a typical GoPe opponent because after all besides the Social Justice tidbits, neither party cares all that much about populist issues. So that would have been enough to push her into the white house.
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FuriousxGeorge posted:IIRC, the polling during the primaries showed Trump was one of their weaker candidates against her in a general, for whatever that's worth. leaked podesta email said the campaign should actively work to pump up unelectables like Trump and Zodiac during the gop primary. welp
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ate poo poo on live tv posted:Yea Hillary was on track to bet a typical GoPe opponent because after all besides the Social Justice tidbits, neither party cares all that much about populist issues. So that would have been enough to push her into the white house. It was so weird watching people mock Jeb for raising and squandering like a billion dollars and when Hillary was doing the same thing as Jeb the Hillfolk were proclaiming her tactical brilliance
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crazy cloud posted:leaked podesta email said the campaign should actively work to pump up unelectables like Trump and Zodiac during the gop primary. welp They wanted trump and they got trump.
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Yeah, Jeb! was basicly the only Republican I think she would have beaten because Hillary v. Jeb! takes the anti-establishment and anti-dynasty feelings out of the picture. Instead, all that feeling got directed at Hillary.
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loquacius posted:Overrelying on celebrities is one of the mistakes we made this year though, if we went with this tack it'd have to be someone from a deep red area for authenticity slash relatability reasons. Oprah. We'd have to run Oprah. Nah Oprah would piss off leftists to much. We need someone who wouldn't mind dressing up in the revolutionary style
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Venom Snake posted:Nah Oprah would piss off leftists to much. We need someone who wouldn't mind dressing up in the revolutionary style fill up Lenin's corpse full of adrenaline and cocaine and get him up and going again, summon Deb's ghost through sacrificing 8 bankers over a 6-pointed star and just give Bernie a phone call
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Venom Snake posted:Nah Oprah would piss off leftists to much. We need someone who wouldn't mind dressing up in the revolutionary style Nina Turner would be amazing. I got to see her speak at the Nev. state caucus.
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God can you imagine Jeb! V Hillary in the general? West Virginia would have gone grey because literally no one voted. In other news I'm curious if Ellison takes the DNC and Vox and Co get new marching orders to start talking about how economic populism is a good thing how long will it be before the Hillarymen in d&d start pretending that they always thought it was a good idea.
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