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Jazerus posted:so why are folks suddenly talking endlessly about these white helmet dudes? It's a humanitarian organization who got a bit of positive international media attention and some foreign aid. As a result of having this positive image and providing aid to the local to-be-liquidated population they, along with the less crazy rebels (and the hospitals), have been singled out for special attention/bombing along with a media blitz to portray them all as horrible terrorist collaborators.
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It's also worth noting about this attack that the Russian MoD also used wrongly dated aerial imagery to claim the location hadn't been attacked, not realising you could see structures destroyed in the video still standing in the aerial imagery they said was from after the attack: https://www.bellingcat.com/news/2015/11/04/fact-checking-russias-claim-that-it-didnt-bomb-a-hospital-in-syria/
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Jazerus posted:so why are folks suddenly talking endlessly about these white helmet dudes? They are also called Civil Defense groups, although since the movie I haven't heard that much in English.
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Looks like Palmyra is going to be recaptured by IS. Maybe Assad and Putin will have to divert forces and allow the hospitals of Aleppo to live to fight another day?
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I was wondering when the first hot take about the newest advance by the Islamic State being a good thing would show up.
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Didn't Russia fly an orchestra or w/e out there when they took it as a big publicity stunt
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Sinteres posted:I was wondering when the first hot take about the newest advance by the Islamic State being a good thing would show up. Assad doing more than paying lip service to fighting ISIS would be a good thing. Edit: It'd probably even avoid his skeletonized defensive lines with ISIS from being periodically overrun. Warbadger fucked around with this message at 19:35 on Dec 10, 2016 |
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It's not like they don't care about Palmyra, given how much they spent to take it back and hold DEZ. This is just how the regime forces work, the capable units get moved around to fight every fire and every other front is weak. The Hama offensive didn't happen because Assad was paying lip service about fighting Jund-al-Aqsa, they just lost. Though I don't understand why, assuming this was an opportunistic attack, IS didn't do this before the Aleppo rebels collapsed. Redmark fucked around with this message at 20:12 on Dec 10, 2016 |
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Dec 10, 2016 20:03
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Redmark posted:Though I don't understand why, assuming this was an opportunistic attack, IS didn't do this before the Aleppo rebels collapsed. At least some of these ISIS fighters supposedly came from Iraq, so maybe the Russian and Shia militia anger at the idea of letting them escape Mosul wasn't entirely misplaced, even if the continued poo poo show that is Mosul demonstrates that forcing those remaining to stay has costs as well.
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Larger blast reported outside of the Vodafone Arena as well edit: there where intitial reports of an explosion at Macka park followed by a larger explosion outside the Vodafone Arena where Besiktas play. https://twitter.com/forever1903bjk1/status/807676192643944448 kustomkarkommando fucked around with this message at 21:10 on Dec 10, 2016 |
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Dec 10, 2016 21:04
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kustomkarkommando posted:Larger blast reported outside of the Vodafone Arena as well It was an attack on the riot cops exiting the Vodafone Arena after a football match. 20 injured confirmed so far. The explosions were heard across the whole city. That's HUGE.
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The Russians need to show Assad some of their PowerPoints on blocking detachments
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Redmark posted:It's not like they don't care about Palmyra, given how much they spent to take it back and hold DEZ. This is just how the regime forces work, the capable units get moved around to fight every fire and every other front is weak. The Hama offensive didn't happen because Assad was paying lip service about fighting Jund-al-Aqsa, they just lost. Point being if Assad had been conducting offensive operations on the ISIS fronts (as everyone else has been) some of those units would had been around and ISIS would be busy clinging to their territory rather than building up opportunistic attacks on the weakest link.
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I'm not any kind of military expert, but I don't see any great options for the SAA against IS currently. They can go for al-Bab, but that would be a struggle against the rebels also. Or they can try to relieve Deir ez-zor, which... seems difficult. Last time they tried a desert offensive they got flanked and lost a lot of men. edit: looks like a heavy Russian intervention has cleared IS from Palmyra city for now, but judging by past events IS is going to come back in a few hours and kill everyone Redmark fucked around with this message at 21:37 on Dec 10, 2016 |
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Nenonen posted:'suicide drone', or in plain speak guided missile, unless the operator shoots himself in the head after he's done I didn't realize the US had been suicide bombing Pakistan all along.
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https://twitter.com/Syria_Rebel_Obs/status/807650689988132865 Looks like half of Ahrar have just split off to join Nusra.
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Warbadger posted:It's a humanitarian organization who got a bit of positive international media attention and some foreign aid. As a result of having this positive image and providing aid to the local to-be-liquidated population they, along with the less crazy rebels (and the hospitals), have been singled out for special attention/bombing along with a media blitz to portray them all as horrible terrorist collaborators. Well they're singled out because they're partisan. Unlike say the Red Cross or Medicines sans Frontiers, who don't take sides, the White Helmets most certainly do take sides. They're funded by the US government, and campaign for Western military intervention. So, yeah they get criticized, of course they do, but its not because they save lives.
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Count Roland posted:Well they're singled out because they're partisan. Unlike say the Red Cross or Medicines sans Frontiers, who don't take sides, the White Helmets most certainly do take sides. They're funded by the US government, and campaign for Western military intervention. So, yeah they get criticized, of course they do, but its not because they save lives. They receive their funding from a large number of governments and individual donors, USAID being the largest out of the government donors with the UK sitting in second and Germany contributing a pretty fair chunk. That is not "funded by the US government". Where exactly do you think the Red Cross and MSF get funding if not various governments and individual donors? The "campaign for Western military intervention" part is also debatable and mostly a position pushed by Assad, Russia, and outlets like the Ron Paul Institute. Given the nature of the Russian and SAA campaigns in Syria which necessitate the organization existing (see: targeting of civilian infrastructure, hospitals, marketplaces, along with large scale bombing of urban areas) I don't find it surprising they (or the other Syrians subjected to it) would advocate for intervention. But you know, I'm sure Russia (a foreign government militarily intervening in Syria) and Assad (whose faction is a recipient of massive, direct foreign military aid to drive its war effort) truly believe foreign intervention in Syria is unconscionable and have a solid position from which to level criticism (and a shitload of bombs) against any group wanting it. Edit: Even then most of the claims about them being partisan boil down to "A BLOO BLOO BLOO THEY'RE TRYING TO MAKE ASSAD/RUSSIA LOOK BAD BY TALKING ABOUT DIGGING PEOPLE OUT OF THE BOMBED OUT RUINS OF THE CITIES ASSAD/RUSSIA ARE BOMBING". Warbadger fucked around with this message at 23:22 on Dec 10, 2016 |
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Very few in Syrian civil society in general actively pursue western intervention anymore. Mouaz Mustafa is the head of the Syrian Emergency Task Force, which is a smuggling ring that tries to get aid into places like Aleppo at great personal risk, and I think he put it best. He was at the house of commons having a discussion with an MP, and he explained that he wasn't advocating for a no fly zone. The MP pointed out that this was a departure from Mustafas previous position, and Mouaz said that he still wanted a no fly zone, but there was no reason to advocate for one anymore. It was never going to happen, so it was just a waste of time when they could be trying to secure more humanitarian aid and things like that which might at least alleviate the suffering a bit. After 5 years of this, nobody is clinging to the hope that the world will come save them anymore. The only people who showed up for the fight were the jihadists. The US isn't really on their radar.
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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/dec/10/bomb-outside-istanbul-football-stadium-causes-multiple-casualties The outlawed Kurdistan Workers party (PKK) may be behind the attack that killed 29 people and wounded 166 outside a football stadium in Istanbul, according to Turkey’s deputy prime minister, Numan Kurtulmuş. A car bomb was followed by a suicide bombing less than a minute later.
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The Turkish government isn't very reliable, but Kurdish groups tend to target police unlike ISIS.
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Pro-gov Twitter is saying after Russian airstrikes pushed ISIS out of their positions in Palmyra an ISIS counterattack has resulted on most the city being captured.
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A bomb went off in St. Mark's Cathedral, a Coptic church in Cairo, reportedly killing 10 people. This follows on another bombing in the Haram district of Giza that killed six cops a few days ago.
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IS now claiming to have taken all of Palmyra.
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suboptimal posted:A bomb went off in St. Mark's Cathedral, a Coptic church in Cairo, reportedly killing 10 people. This follows on another bombing in the Haram district of Giza that killed six cops a few days ago. Heh... haram district. Is the government still bulldozing churches or did that end with Morsi?
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Friendly Humour posted:Heh... haram district. When did Morsi's government bulldoze churches? To answer your question, no the government doesn't bulldoze churches. The current administration is actually extremely chummy with the coptic church leadership (biggest church in Egypt by denomination), to the point that the church mobilizes coptic Egyptian protests backing Sisi whenever he visits a western nation. They are seen to completely support Sisi's policies and autocracy. Also, the H in haram can be pronounced differently in Arabic (a guttural sound), so that Haram with an English H actually means "Pyramid", while the guttural Haram has the religious meaning.
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The UAE is getting to join the club of countries that crash on their neighbors' SOFA: https://www.stratfor.com/sample/analysis/uae-joins-exclusive-club The article is about how they're developing a base around the Eritrean port city of Assab. This position at the south of the Red Sea gives them a good point from which to conduct air operations against Yemen, which is in large part why they're here to begin with. 
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Jippa posted:https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/dec/10/bomb-outside-istanbul-football-stadium-causes-multiple-casualties https://twitter.com/sayed_ridha/status/807959614511726593?s=09 quote:Kurdish militant group TAK takes responsibility for Beşiktaş bombing in Istanbul yesterday which left 38 dead mostly police + civilians Ikasuhito posted:IS now claiming to have taken all of Palmyra. Borrowing a quote from reddit, because it's just insult to injury at this point: ProBot420 posted:The embarrassing part is that this was literally the same tactic that IS used successfully the previous time. Overrun the countryside rapidly, launch a probing attack on the city, give some ground back, and then storm the entire city and it falls within a few hours. Literally the same strategy. I had a bad hunch that the real battle wasn't the first one in Tadmur, but the second one. Meanwhile, the SDF is renewing the Raqqa push. They have some help: http://bigstory.ap.org/article/a75094b9b0ac42b5879bb510c32d0c3c/us-sending-200-more-troops-syria-battle quote:Drawing the U.S. deeper into the Syria conflict, Defense Secretary Ash Carter announced Saturday he is sending 200 more troops to accelerate the push on the Islamic State's self-declared capital of Raqqa. Continuing on the Raqqa push, I found tweet chain that's a goldmine of good info: https://twitter.com/agirecudi/status/807555953491144709 quote:Syrian Democratic Forces (YPG/J+local Arab tribes+ former FSA groups) launch 2nd stage of #WrathOfEuphrates op to liberate Raqqa from ISIS. https://www.reddit.com/r/syriancivilwar/comments/5hljjr/syrian_democratic_forces_we_will_liberate_deir/ Syrian Democratic Forces: We will liberate Deir ez-Zor in the next phase of the Wrath of Euphrates campaign. YPG-Got-Aleppo posted:SDF's spokesman says that they received some modern weapons from the International Coalition. Including anti-tank weapons. Oddness aside, it's a fairly realistic scenario; the SDF just has to push down to As-Suwar, and from there it's a straight shot to Deir Ez-Zor city. Saladin Rising fucked around with this message at 18:12 on Dec 11, 2016 |
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TAK: aka' woops our attack killed too many civilians this wasnt the pkk it was "tak"'
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Brown Moses posted:Pro-gov Twitter is saying after Russian airstrikes pushed ISIS out of their positions in Palmyra an ISIS counterattack has resulted on most the city being captured. Looks like the SAA ran and left everything behind in Palmyra - a bunch of tanks captured, God knows what else. https://twitter.com/RamiAILoIah/status/808030554822217729
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Bates posted:Looks like the SAA ran and left everything behind in Palmyra - a bunch of tanks captured, God knows what else. How can they be so useless after all this time, jesus, its amazing. I feel like the Iraqi army is basically the same here. That if really pressured they'll up and run all over again. If you assemble an armed force so ineptly, I fail to believe that a couple years later they'll have learned their lessons and turned everything around. If they were able to learn lessons these mistakes wouldn't have happened in the first place.
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Saladin Rising posted:
Maybe you have a short memory?  What passes for the Syrian Army has shown itself to be capable when it's well supported and singularly focused like the pushes in and around Aleppo, but has equally been shown to be prone to falling flat on it's face when forced to have to stretch that attention to any real degree.Plus this whole depacle was in the making the moment they decided to not capitalize on their success following Palmyra recapture earlier this year (another problem they they tend to have). https://twitter.com/JACM212/status/808023645843050496 Ikasuhito fucked around with this message at 21:16 on Dec 11, 2016 |
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oh boy now the mostly unexplored best preserved roman ruins on earth can be half-demolished again 
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Jazerus posted:oh boy now the mostly unexplored best preserved roman ruins on earth can be half-demolished again I think they got most of the icons the first time, I think that the rest of the ruins will be ok unless they decide to mount an archeological dig. I hope at least
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The problem is away from the main fronts the Syrian army is reliant on the same local militias as the rebels for security. When recruited from Alawite and Christian populations local auxiliaries should be well motivated to defend their towns from Isis and the rebels, but that's not going to be the case in places like Palmyra and it's not surprising these guys folded immediately when put under any pressure.
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Oh a military force designed to massacre civilians with support of foreign areal bombardment sucks at fighting against other people with guns and training? word? Either ways ISIS is on it's way out and is about to be destroyed, might as well kill a whole bunch of Bashars animals on their way into the ground. let the two fascist snakes eat each other. Man, gently caress ISIS, seriously these groups of mass murdering criminals were a giant propaganda godsend to the dictatorships of the middle east and to racists around the world, thanks to what they did the Syrian Revolutionaries had the entire narrative and political reality of the conflict swept from underneath them and right into the hands of Bashar, Russia can now slap the label of ISIS onto children as they throw chlorine gas on them, and when the families escape Syria with their lives they are met with abuse from right wing racists at the places they're seeking safety in. What a giant waste of life this group of savages were.
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