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PirateBob posted:This is a film as good, if not superior to The Empire Strikes Back which was too male oriented and macho heavy. This film brings more balance to the franchise with another delightful female heroine who proves that the ladies are every bit as tough as the men - if not more so. either source your quotes or get out you creep
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The Force Awakens does have some good visuals, but I do think the location work suffers a bit- the planet of rivers is an interesting visual from space, but on the ground it's a little generic. I did like that Starkiller Base had a snowy alpine forest, though, that's something we hadn't seen in the movies before and it was cool. That said this also feels like a change in how movies like this are made and shot- backgrounds simply aren't emphasized as much anymore. In old movies, if you spent a lot on a big location you want to show it off! Lots of big wide panning shots to take in all the buildings and the cast of thousands, and of course matte paintings require you keep the camera in place. The motion control that Star Wars innovated made effects shots a little less locked off, but they still used mattes and such, and in the prequels, even with the freedom of CG backgrounds, the camera still takes the time to gently swoop over the exotic alien locales and show you how weird they are. Here's a planet where everyone lives in giant pits in the ground! Here's a water planet! Etc. (On top of this, I think that because of the more "political" subject matter of the prequels vs. the OT, Lucas looked for reference to historical epics, Biblical movies, etc. There's a lot of De Mille and D. W. Griffith in the vistas of Coruscant and the big pod race and so on. Williams' score even quotes a bit of Miklos Rosza in the latter.) Modern movies just don't focus on backgrounds much, you sometimes get the "beauty shots" introducing fantastic worlds, but the action is all very clearly foregrounded and the background is always rushing by. This is partly the aforementioned freedom of digital composition, and also I think action scenes have gotten a little less tactical and more expressionistic- there isn't the Hitchcockian emphasis on knowing where everyone is at all times, it's more "you FEEL the hit as the protagonist is knocked halfway across the countryside." And people did complain about the prequels taking too much time up with pageantry and showing ships landing and taking off and so on, so there's been more an emphasis on efficiency.
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Dec 11, 2016 21:50
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Phi230 posted:either source your quotes or get out you creep Um that's my review. Show a bit more respect for female posters please.
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Dec 11, 2016 21:52
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Phi230 posted:No this isn't an SMG vendetta I'm just pouring out my opinions on the subject since all I've done so far is shitpost I might as well explain my position. Back to the shitposting then?
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Dec 11, 2016 21:53
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Phi230 posted:we would avoid all these problems if weirdos like SMG/Cnut/you didn't deify star wars but here we are But the part where idiots start shitposting because they're upset other people thought about the film is the best part.
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Dec 11, 2016 21:54
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Hbomberguy posted:But the part where idiots start shitposting because they're upset other people thought about the film is the best part. lol you call me insecure but i post one sentence and its like kicking the hornets nest with all you usual suspects accept that the prequels are bad into your heart and soul and drop the narcissistic rage (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Dec 11, 2016 21:56
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You're pretty bad at talking about movies.
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I didn't call you insecure. That's your own thing to work through. In the meantime, would you like to talk about Star War?
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i abstain from star war talk until we actually talk about good star wars, ie rogue one until then the cycle must continue Bongo Bill posted:You're pretty bad at talking about movies. i can talk about good movies all day baby its just a shame none of you want to
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Dec 11, 2016 22:01
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Phi230 posted:i abstain from star war talk until we actually talk about good star wars, ie rogue one I haven't seen it yet. Not out until Friday.
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Dec 11, 2016 22:02
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Maxwell Lord posted:I haven't seen it yet. Not out until Friday. same im gonna put down some cash that Cnut and SMG hate it though
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Dec 11, 2016 22:04
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Phi230 posted:i abstain from star war talk until we actually talk about good star wars, ie rogue one ok. i super hyped for movie, but I still wish a non-white woman was playing Jyn. I'm just not that impressed by Felicity Jones, but I'll give her a chance. Really happy that there's a lot men of color in the cast, tho.
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Equeen posted:ok. i super hyped for movie, but I still wish a non-white woman was playing Jyn. Really glad that there's a lot men of color in the cast, tho its a shame that riz is in a supporting role and from what i've seen won't have much of a presence
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Dec 11, 2016 22:06
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OK I get what you guys were meaning about Phi. Jeez, that's some 4chan level shitposting you got there. I went to the midnight release for TFA but deep down knew I was never going to this one. I'll be interesting to see what people cosplay as.
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Dec 11, 2016 22:08
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Phi230 posted:confirmed: thread retards just don't like star wars I like Rey just fine. I like Han Solo. I like TFA. I like the OT. I like the prequels. I like Star Wars. Phi230 posted:same Why? I don't even hate TFA, and I suspect that Rogue One will be a better movie than that. Why are you being so grumpy and weird?
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Dec 11, 2016 22:09
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Equeen posted:ok. i super hyped for movie, but I still wish a non-white woman was playing Jyn. I'm just not that impressed by Felicity Jones, but I'll give her a chance. Really happy that there's a lot men of color in the cast, tho. also from what I understand there is a non-white lead woman in the han solo film so rejoice
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Dec 11, 2016 22:10
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Cnut the Great posted:I like Rey just fine. I like Han Solo. I like TFA. I like the OT. I like the prequels. I like Star Wars. You said a good thing about the prequels which isn't allowed
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Phi230 posted:same What will you do if they like Rogue One? Will you decide you hate it because it's a prequel?
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Cnut the Great posted:I like Rey just fine. I like Han Solo. I like TFA. I like the OT. I like the prequels. I like Star Wars. u dont like TFA TFA, by your own admission, is disturbingly similar to ANH therefore by disliking TFA you dislike ANH ipso facto
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Dec 11, 2016 22:11
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Phi230 posted:i abstain from star war talk until we actually talk about good star wars, ie rogue one I have zero faith in Gareth Edwards to give us anything that isn't pretty looking pablum after Godzilla and Monsters, to be honest.
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Dec 11, 2016 22:12
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HannibalBarca posted:I have zero faith in Gareth Edwards to give us anything that isn't pretty looking pablum after Godzilla and Monsters, to be honest. But Gareth is great at making grandiosity which is what RO really needs Basically look at the shot of Rogue One flying over the Ruined Jedi Statute, that's such a telltale Edwards shot. Same with the Death Star on the horizon
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Dec 11, 2016 22:14
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Phi230 posted:also from what I understand there is a non-white lead woman in the han solo film so rejoice nope. http://variety.com/2016/film/news/star-wars-han-solo-spinoff-female-lead-1201916126/ quote:Clarke will star opposite Alden Ehrenreich and Donald Glover, who play Solo and fellow smuggler Lando Calrissian, respectively. several women of color auditioned, but of course the white, British brunette woman got the part.
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Phi230 posted:So you're saying the imagery where Ren's face is half blue/red, and turns full red as the sky darkens, symbolizing his complete fall to the Dark Side, is stupid and bad because its not the prequels ok cool I like those shots. It's also all already been done in previous Star Wars films, as it's pretty basic visual symbolism, and isn't exactly something which elevates a decent movie (which TFA is) to a great one. It's just a positive aspect about the movie. This is what I honestly think, and so I will say it.
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Equeen posted:nope. http://variety.com/2016/film/news/star-wars-han-solo-spinoff-female-lead-1201916126/ ugh even Lupita Nyong'o got the CGI character treatment in TFA
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Phi230 posted:So you're saying the imagery where Ren's face is half blue/red, and turns full red as the sky darkens, symbolizing his complete fall to the Dark Side, is stupid and bad because its not the prequels ok cool I like those shots. It's also all already been done in previous Star Wars films, as it's pretty basic visual symbolism, and isn't exactly something which elevates a decent movie (which TFA is) to a great one. It's just a positive aspect about the movie. This is what I honestly think, and so I will say it. Phi230 posted:But Gareth is great at making grandiosity which is what RO really needs Yes, those are good. Cnut the Great fucked around with this message at 22:20 on Dec 11, 2016 |
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I thought Han had a black wife in the new comics, why isn't she in the movie? Along with Darth Vader's friend the archaeologist. Also, yeah, Edwards is good for making grandiose shots, but if that's all you're basing your movie on (see: Godzilla 2014) it's not gonna be particularly memorable in the long run.
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HannibalBarca posted:I thought Han had a black wife in the new comics, why isn't she in the movie? Along with Darth Vader's friend the archaeologist. TBH I liked Godzilla 2014, and I think its no coincidence that out of all my friends that went to see it, I was the one who liked it because I didn't see any trailers and didn't have any kind of expectation of Brian Cranston or that white soldier guy It was pretty much a standard godzilla movie, but some of the shots really added to the mystique (?) of godzilla. specifically the shot where he stands up in the dust cloud, and its eerily silent, and the lightning highlights his silhouette out from the fog
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I mean I'll freely admit that I was mostly disappointed because it didn't meet my expectations. But for someone that's been a life-long Godzilla fan, I was really excited for Godzilla to get an actual big-budget treatment that wasn't the asinine Emmerich film. But it seems like Edwards and Co. didn't want to/know how to make an actual Godzilla reboot so they rebooted the equivalent of Godzilla vs. the Smog Monster instead.
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I think that, like every other Star Wars prequel, Rogue One will be a Good Movie(tm).
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HannibalBarca posted:I mean I'll freely admit that I was mostly disappointed because it didn't meet my expectations. But for someone that's been a life-long Godzilla fan, I was really excited for Godzilla to get an actual big-budget treatment that wasn't the asinine Emmerich film. But it seems like Edwards and Co. didn't want to/know how to make an actual Godzilla reboot so they rebooted the equivalent of Godzilla vs. the Smog Monster instead. What would've made it a better godzilla move? Honest question, I've only ever seen parts of Godzilla vs. Mothra
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The biggest problem I had with Godzilla 2014 was the constant 'you want to see Godzilla fight? Well not right now, loser, I'm going to make another jokey cut to something else!" It makes me somewhat expect that the Death Star firing in Rogue One would be relegated to being on a screen in the background while people are talking.
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Interesting looking shots is at least a step up from TFA. I mean, I enjoyed the movie, but there's not much exciting going on visually. It's funny, for all the emphasis on ~*~location shooting~*~ being a throwback to the OT, everyone's favorite ESB has some of the least location shooting of any movie in the saga (in fact, I think only ROTS has less). Some exterior scenes on Hoth is it; other than that, Echo Base, Dagobah, and Cloud City are all sound stages and matte paintings. And that fact really helps establish ESB's particular look; not only does it give a lot more control over things look lighting and shot framing, but it also means you can create some really unique environments. Take Dagobah, for example; it's less an actual realistic swamp than it is the platonic ideal of a swamp, a dark, weird primeval space that wouldn't be achievable in the real world. Compare to the entirely real and entirely boring redwood forest of Endor in ROTJ, which just looks like everyone took a bus up to Northern California. Which is basically what they did.
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Phi230 posted:i abstain from star war talk until we actually talk about good star wars, ie rogue one U could just not post, but uh, assuming ur living the sad GBS style lifestyle where that's not an option condolences.
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Phi230 posted:What would've made it a better godzilla move? Honest question, I've only ever seen parts of Godzilla vs. Mothra Basically there are two types of Godzilla movies - Godzilla solos and Versus movies. The Godzilla solo movies usually tend to focus on Godzilla as a character, or an idea (he's the manifestation of the horrors of nuclear war, he's a prism through which to view Cold War geopolitics, he represents the national anxieties of Japan, etc.), but the vast majority of Godzilla movies have been Versus movies, with a few hybrids, and the popular memory of Godzilla in the West leans pretty overwhelmingly towards "two guys in lizard costumes wrestle with each other." Which is fine; there have been plenty of good (and bad) examples of both types of movies, but the thing of it is that, in a movie where Godzilla fights other monsters, it's that much harder to define Godzilla as a character. That's what Godzilla 2014 failed to do in my opinion: all the dramatic tension and character motivations across the board focused on the MUTO monsters that Godzilla was fighting; Godzilla's role in the story is pretty much nothing but a deus ex machina to resolve the plot. Now, I understand why they did this: they want to turn this Godzilla movie into a franchise, which basically means he's gonna keep fighting other monsters, and to characterize Godzilla would necessitate him actually doing...something else besides showing up to get rid of our Monster of the Week. But the list of things Godzilla can do is pretty short (roar, fight monsters, fight army, destroy city), and while he did plenty of the first two in G14, having the movie dwell on Godzilla killing ARE TROOPS or deliberately causing a hundred 9/11s would make it pretty drat difficult to spin him into a superhero, which is pretty clearly what they think is the most marketable way to handle a Godzilla franchise. tl;dr: I wanted a movie that was about Godzilla, which would probably have meant he would have to do stuff that would make him ill-suited to headline a superhero franchise, which is what the studio wants to do. HannibalBarca fucked around with this message at 22:44 on Dec 11, 2016 |
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Why did they go to all that trouble of bringing in all those trees and fake snow, and drafting those enormous matte paintings for the pine forest in TFA and then decide to do absolutely nothing weird or interesting to it? It really could've used a bit of Avatar's sense of weirdness. I guess what I'm asking is, is any set ever going to be better than the carbon freezing chamber? And I guess what I'm saying is that the answer is obviously no.
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Godzilla should be in a Star Wars movie IMO, but as a Yoda analogue.
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Raxivace posted:Godzilla should be in a Star Wars movie IMO, but as a Yoda analogue. Godzilla is the non-white female lead in the upcoming Han Solo prequel. The best scene is when she takes out the Falcon and pretends to talk on it as if it were a cell phone, momentarily confusing the giant General Stnoke (which is different from Snoke and so still really cool you guys), and Han Solo steps out, shoots Stnoke between the eyes, and shrugs and gives a lopsided grin.
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Jewmanji posted:No he's saying the shot is composed to look like something ripped off DeviantArt. Right; Abrams (in TFA) is consistently focussed on the concept of light rather than on making a well-lit scene. You can note his repeated emphasis on reflections in characters' eyes - which is not really a Star Wars 'thing', is it? Can you recall, in any of the previous films, closeups of Luke's big, wet eyes that emphasize the phenomenology of looking and blah blah blah? Note how Abrams puts in this recurring sunlight imagery, characters looking up at the sun, etc. "Where there's light there's hope!" The 'light side' was never literalized this way before. The opposite was the case, in fact. Luke's talk of a 'bright centre of the universe' was purely metaphorical.
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Neo Rasa posted:I think part of it was the location shooting too. Look at how many exteriors in the I-VI are themselves sets or CG and heavily stylized. Almost everything in Force Awakens is very flat compared to how the Death Star had huge towers and pits in it, the urban area they chase the shapeshifting assassin into in Attack of the Clones, etc. Plus I know it's a CG show so it's basically cheating but the Clone Wars show also made sure to always had this really heavy emphasis on vertical space, everything felt vast even if it didn't necessarily look "alien" and really helped a lot. I think this quote from Anthony Daniels about the philosophy behind TFA says it all: Anthony Daniels posted:“It became clear early on that with JJ we were getting back to the old-fashioned kind of film-making. We have walls. Actual sets! All right, so you might not have a view out of the window, but you have a window. Now, what else can I tell you?” An actual view out a window? Pfah! We're far beyond such green screen-obsessed Lucasian indulgences as that. Lord Hydronium posted:Interesting looking shots is at least a step up from TFA. I mean, I enjoyed the movie, but there's not much exciting going on visually. It's worth noting that Cloud City was supposed to come across as a huge, open, expansive metropolis, to contrast against all the small, isolated, sparsely populated locations the heroes had previously visited, but the technology wasn't there for it, so it just ended up looking like a few claustrophobic hallways built on a sound stage somewhere. Then Lucas had the gall with the Special Editions to make it so you could actually see out the windows, oh no! Oh yeah, and he also added a tracking shot of a Cloud Car flying above a sprawling view of the city, and then had the gall to claim it was all originally supposed to be that way. Well, where's the evidence, George?     Oh.
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I just finished my 2016 catchup and watched Ex Machina, Blue Ruin, Green Room, Neon Demon, and John Wick I have no purpose in life anymore, somebody recco me a movie to watch
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