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That's exactly where I am. I love when Jem'hadar at the end of the gauntlet is all "I cannot defeat him, only kill him" when fighting Worf. Also, using the uniform change to show a time frame for when Bashir was replaced purely visually.
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Powered Descent posted:Hey, it worked last time...  Looking at them, Quark and Neelix both have weird/ugly textures and patterns, but Quark's outfits all have a nice cut that make him look good, despite the crazy patterns- he's almost always got high-waist one-color trousers, a shirt that matches his coat, a big collar like a suit-coat, and usually a long tail in the back or at least some kind of taper from the shoulders to the waist, which makes the clothes look like someone actually tailored them to help make Quark look good. So the cut of the clothes works. The patterns are unusual, but the colors are well coordinated. All of those outfits have one or two main colors and then the others are balanced around them. These outfits are unusual, but they all look like things people would actually wear. Flashy, showy people, like Las Vegas performers, maybe, but that fits Quark. As for Neelix...  What is this weird vest thing he's wearing? Why does the part where it zips/buttons have these giant tabs? This doesn't look like anything anyone would wear unless forced to. And then the colors are medium reddish brown and light brown, with a bunch of random washed out shapes on the vest/pants. These colors don't pop the way Quark's do, and the outfit ends up being a muddy lump. It's not flattering and it doesn't tell us anything about the character, except that he's really boring.  Same cut, different colors, still a giant lump of mud. The undergarment would be better if it had less going on, but it's got some crazy pattern on it, and since you see so little of it, it just turns into a haze around his neck and hands. I don't know who picked the pattern for the outer garment but I hope they're color blind.  Different cut, still weird. What are those rib things thrown randomly around his jacket? They don't compliment his shape, they don't serve any purpose on the coat, they're just there! And then the pattern is...better than the others, but still just a little too uncoordinated to pull off space-plaid.  And then there's this monstrosity of a chef's uniform. I can only guess that this is a result of whatever the hell was going on in the 90s. So basically, they both use unsual fabrics, but Quark has well coordinated colors and clothes cut to fit his body, Neelix has terrible colors and patterns and his clothes make absolutely no sense.  Part of the problem, I think, is that Neelix's species has yellow on the sides of their heads, so between that, the spots, and the high receding hair, they look like they've got some terrible form of jaundice, and I think that just makes it that much harder to find patterns and colors that work with him. Quark was just brown and bald in a wobbly way, so that's not too hard.
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I actually like it when in scify fashion is awful or strange or weird, specially if it's aliens. I'm sure if an alien saw how humans dress they'd think it was crazy and insane and made absolutely no sense stylistically. poo poo humans wore just a generation ago can look hilarious and "what the gently caress were they thinking?!" to us right now, 300+ years in the future aliens, go nuts guys. I'm sure to his awful terrible species nelix's outfits make sense and follow their rules of style and colour, which just goes to drive home the fact that so many races in the Delta Quadrant really needed to be wiped out.
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Dec 11, 2016 23:43
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That apron and hat are definitely 90s as gently caress.
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Zonko_T.M. posted:Looking at them, Quark and Neelix both have weird/ugly textures and patterns, but Quark's outfits all have a nice cut that make him look good, despite the crazy patterns- he's almost always got high-waist one-color trousers, a shirt that matches his coat, a big collar like a suit-coat, and usually a long tail in the back or at least some kind of taper from the shoulders to the waist, which makes the clothes look like someone actually tailored them to help make Quark look good. So the cut of the clothes works. The patterns are unusual, but the colors are well coordinated. All of those outfits have one or two main colors and then the others are balanced around them. These outfits are unusual, but they all look like things people would actually wear. Flashy, showy people, like Las Vegas performers, maybe, but that fits Quark. You would probably love Fashion It So, a blog where they critique the outfits in TNG episodes. At least I find it entertaining, and I don't even know a drat thing about fashion.
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So Star Trek lets a lot of its actors take turns directing.RICK BERMAN posted:
I'm assuming at least he's including Garrett Wang as one of the lazy actors he wouldn't let direct, but who are the actors who did a poo poo job at it?
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Baronjutter posted:I actually like it when in scify fashion is awful or strange or weird, specially if it's aliens. I'm sure if an alien saw how humans dress they'd think it was crazy and insane and made absolutely no sense stylistically. poo poo humans wore just a generation ago can look hilarious and "what the gently caress were they thinking?!" to us right now, 300+ years in the future aliens, go nuts guys. I'm sure to his awful terrible species nelix's outfits make sense and follow their rules of style and colour, which just goes to drive home the fact that so many races in the Delta Quadrant really needed to be wiped out. I want a race that is scandalised that humans show their elbows. And has dramatic elbow coverings with big drapes. It's not religious, they just have an elbow taboo. They have no idea why Starfleet makes them wear pants, though, but whatevs. MikeJF fucked around with this message at 00:44 on Dec 12, 2016 |
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MorgaineDax posted:I'm assuming at least he's including Garrett Wang as one of the lazy actors he wouldn't let direct, but who are the actors who did a poo poo job at it? Tim Russ directed precisely one episode, as did McFadden. Siddig and Picardo did two each.
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Dec 12, 2016 00:43
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MorgaineDax posted:So Star Trek lets a lot of its actors take turns directing. Well, Tim Russ and Gates McFadden are the actors credited with directing only a single episode. Andrew Robinson did one episode of DS9, but he also got two episodes of Voyager.
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What's the general opinion on Frakes as a director?
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Baronjutter posted:I actually like it when in scify fashion is awful or strange or weird, specially if it's aliens. I'm sure if an alien saw how humans dress they'd think it was crazy and insane and made absolutely no sense stylistically. poo poo humans wore just a generation ago can look hilarious and "what the gently caress were they thinking?!" to us right now, 300+ years in the future aliens, go nuts guys. I'm sure to his awful terrible species nelix's outfits make sense and follow their rules of style and colour, which just goes to drive home the fact that so many races in the Delta Quadrant really needed to be wiped out. ya but it's really not "weird alien clothing" in Neelix's case, it's just ugly human clothing given to an alien. There is nothing "strange" about it, it just looks horrible and doesn't convey anything about its wearer (except maybe that Neelix was on drugs a lot of the time). A better example of clothing that might be weird but still works is what the Romulans wear in modern Trek. It has a very distinct but unsual style (it gives off a pompous and authoritarian vibe that certainly fits the Romulans).
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WickedHate posted:What's the general opinion on Frakes as a director?
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WickedHate posted:What's the general opinion on Frakes as a director? From what I understand "Two takes" Frakes is reliable and workmanlike.
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WickedHate posted:It wouldn't have mattered. A big trait of the changelings are that they're super paranoid and prone to "preemptive defense" because they think that anyone who isn't genetically engineered to be their worshipful slaves will try to attack them eventually. As long as the wormhole existed and was functional, the Dominion would have been a problem the Federation couldn't just avoid. There was also the thing where the changelings like Odo and Laas were sent to scout out the rest of the galaxy for eventual take-over. All the wormhole did was speed up the Dominion's time-table when it came to the Alpha Quadrant.
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8one6 posted:From what I understand "Two takes" Frakes is reliable and workmanlike. Which when you have to crank out 26 episodes a season counts for a lot.
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MorgaineDax posted:Worf was, but it sounds like the showrunners came up with the Defiant and had to get it approved. *In the Red Letter Media voice* Riiiiick Bermannnnnnnnn Man, gently caress that guy. He's like a DM that's too married to the sourcebook's rules to let his players have fun. A lot of Trek people (not a lot of people here, but elsewhere) give him free passes for so much bullshit because they give him credit for keeping Trek alive. But I think a lot of people could have done it better, and in a lot of cases Trek survived inexplicably despite him (TNG films, VOY), or survived because he didn't get involved as much (DS9).
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I'm at the part in Star Trek 50: The Last 25 where they discuss the theme song to Enterprise. Two things: 1. This to me is the perfect example of Rick Berman not really understanding why Star Trek was popular. He just thought he wanted a theme song? With a montage? That would be an improvement? It seems like apart from backing writers sometimes, Berman really is a complete loving idiot. 2. In college, this song came up on a YTMND that hit the top of the charts one day in 2007, less than a year after Steve Irwin's death. I will forever associate Star Trek Enterprise with a drawing of a stingray blowing Steve Irwin as his sinks into the ocean. You can find the picture on his Encyclopedia Dramatica page if you're so inclined. Thanks for reading
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8one6 posted:From what I understand "Two takes" Frakes is reliable and workmanlike. Mmm. As I understand he's competent, reliable, makes for a happy set and cast, will give you a decent enough result, but won't be elevating any material through sheer direction.
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Platonicsolid posted:Which when you have to crank out 26 episodes a season counts for a lot. MikeJF posted:Mmm. As I understand he's competent, reliable, makes for a happy set and cast, will give you a decent enough result, but won't be elevating any material through his direction. I didn't say it was a bad thing, but he won't exactly be winning any Oscars any time soon.
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Powered Descent posted:The wormhole only led somewhat near Dominion space. Sisko and company only ran across the Dominion after exploring the Gamma Quadrant for, what, a couple of years?
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I figured the Dominion was fairly hands off for most planets it controlled. They probably have to follow certain rules about trade and military (only trade with other Dominion members, cannot have any standing military outside of police forces and maybe planetary defense), plus some sort of Tithe of materials and industry to produce ships and weapons the Founders needed to keep control. As Nessus said, a Superstructure. I also though the many words for rain of Ferenginar reminded me of growing up on the east coast, we have a lot of words for rain too; misting, spitting, dropping...etc.
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Yeah, the Dominion doesn't give a gently caress about governing, just neutralizing any potential threats.
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I think the Founders come out and say that the Dominion is entirely a ploy to exploit and marginalize solids, not govern per se.
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WickedHate posted:What's the general opinion on Frakes as a director? He's the TNG equivalent of Nimoy: Got everything done but brought very little vision, never did anything interesting with his camera, everyone loved him.
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VanSandman posted:Iggy Pop can't act for poo poo. No, he just needs to be given the correct material: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBH4Hv39SEo
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mossyfisk posted:Well, Tim Russ and Gates McFadden are the actors credited with directing only a single episode. Andrew Robinson did one episode of DS9, but he also got two episodes of Voyager. He mentioned DS9 specifically, so my money is on Siddig. He directed two episodes, but the second one is loving Profit and Lace, which he did a baffling job on (including that weird animated transition where the nagus blows beetle snuff at the camera) and hasn't directed anything since.
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To be fair the script didn't give him much to work with. That episode was  all around.
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Duckbag posted:(including that weird animated transition where the nagus blows beetle snuff at the camera) I had to watch that multiple times to make sure it was real and I wasn't hallucinating. Fister Roboto fucked around with this message at 09:29 on Dec 12, 2016 |
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VanSandman posted:Iggy Pop can't act for poo poo. As I recall, he had broken his arm the day before and was on an incredible amount of painkillers.
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Fister Roboto posted:I had to watch that multiple times to make sure it was real and I wasn't hallucinating. I don't remember which episode that was. That sounds like a cheap 3d gimmick, so strange to think it would be an 90s tv show.
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VanSandman posted:Iggy Pop can't act for poo poo.
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Cat Machine posted:I actually think he's a perfect fit as a Vorta. Intentional or not, that calm smarminess fits real well. Having him and the other Vorta in the same episode makes for a nice contrast. I agree, I thought it was a good change of pace and made sense after being in captivity for so long. A Vorta can't not be smug, it's literally in their DNA, but eventually they'd drop the whole politico nobody's-that-gracious thing and settle into a weary sarcastic dismissal about everything.
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Yeah I don't think iggy pop's acting was bad, I think that's just what that Vorta was like.
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VanSandman posted:Iggy Pop can't act for poo poo. Couldn't agree less. The whole episode is about how frustrating and annoying the ferengi are. Iggy had been stuck with Ishka for an extended period of time with her banging on about finance and moisturiser, now these insignificant little trolls are loving him about non-stop. Vorta are bred to be diplomats, but this is a guy at the end of his rope. Its also nice to see other levels of ferengi society.
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http://www.startrek.com/article/qapla-discovery-introduces-the-klingons We got some Klingons here! 
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In the future we have evolved beyond the need for legible fonts.
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But what kind of foreheads will we see? Or will it be the return of "vague blackface with copious spiritgum beards"?
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Baronjutter posted:the fact that so many races in the Delta Quadrant really needed to be wiped out. Make The Galaxy Great Again it's a joke; alt-right pricks go gently caress yourselves
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MorgaineDax posted:Worf was, but it sounds like the showrunners came up with the Defiant and had to get it approved. I'd read some interviews a while back that said Paramount was originally very reluctant to do a show with a stationary setting and wanted another "ship show". Didn't see anything about that in the book though.
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