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As someone holding dual citizenship I would join which ever side is the right side if there ever is a world war. Thankfully Canada is a country that you can easily get behind whereas I can't really say the same for the prc. If there ever is some natural disaster or catastrophe though I don't mind volunteering and do whatever work for the PLA or whatever Chinese government organization. My girlfriend is from the mainland and never left the country or studied abroad until 24. Hates communists and living in china even though her it's original home and where most of her family lives. She still misses zhejiang cuisine but she won't trade it for a ticket to leave China. Oh and she got her bachelors in a teaching school so she had to study quite a bit of Chinese literature. Her grandparents and family got shafted by the communists. Her good friend is an engineer who got her masters in imperial college and is excited to relocate to New Zealand and be an engineer in hydrology. She quit her government job and entered into private industry because she hated dealing with the bureaucracy. In her current job she has to travel around to rural china and provide software support/seminars about flood control. She loving hates the prc. Her family got on the good side of the communists and they all hate Japan. I guess she's the odd one out. My engineer friend had a few friends who were actually qualified and joined the party when they were university students. Every non government party member I met across china regret joining the party and paying for party membership dues. You can't quit the party once you join unless you get kicked out. It's just a giant deadweight like a case of exterior hemroids. You can't pop them and they chafe the underside of your balls. If you do pop them then a trickle of blood will roll down into your toes and get caked into your soaks.
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caberham posted:My engineer friend had a few friends who were actually qualified and joined the party when they were university students. Every non government party member I met across china regret joining the party and paying for party membership dues. You can't quit the party once you join unless you get kicked out. It's just a giant deadweight like a case of exterior hemroids. You can't pop them and they chafe the underside of your balls. If you do pop them then a trickle of blood will roll down into your toes and get caked into your soaks. Oh poo poo, I always thought it was like some nice little benefit that would give you all sorts of guanxi. I mean, as far as I understood it they scout out talent at high schools and stuff. I didn't know you can't quit though, how do you even get kicked out?
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Dec 13, 2016 02:50
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Blue water navy. Shooting War. Line in the sand. Boots. On. The. Ground.
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Oh being a first generation immigrant sucks but your identity and all becomes less significant as time passes on because we all turn into old shriveling fucks like angry dads yelling into the TV set and walk backwards clapping our hands. Then we start running laps around young people and do pull-ups everyday because we are aware of our old age and decaying health and make all the young girls and boys swoon we we dress well and eat well and know so much about the worldly world. The last bit is just a lie to make me feel better because I'm sitting in some cramped Japanese toilet phone posting while being blasted by a washlet
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Dec 13, 2016 02:51
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Judakel posted:Bombs will do. Baronjutter posted:New-worlders often have a hard time with the concept of blood citizenship. It's a very different concept toward citizenship in general.
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Dec 13, 2016 02:51
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I'd support a shooting war to see cabe in a uniform.
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Dec 13, 2016 02:52
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You get kicked out of the party from loving up your life and doing criminal poo poo like stealing / killing someone. Or breaking party policy by having a second kid even when yuh are legally entitled to. Oh and if you are a public school teacher and engage in premarital sex then you get fired for breaking party policy even when you aren't part of the party (but it gets easier to join at that part of life).
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Stringent posted:I'd support a shooting war to see cabe in a uniform. I would totally semen bomb your face everyday.
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Invisible Handjob posted:Did you immigrate to Canada halfway through or were you born in Canada and sent back home as a baby to chill for a while? Immigrated halfway through. Wasn't a big problem for me, since as caberham said Canada is a great country, though you can kind of see people getting increasingly angry about Chinese new money flowing in. I'm not sure what the joke is regarding "shooting war". I just meant it as in opposition to a "cold war".
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angel opportunity posted:Blue water navy. Shooting War. Line in the sand. Boots. On. The. Ground. Human wave doctrine. Cyber warfare.
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caberham posted:As someone holding dual citizenship I would join which ever side is the right side if there ever is a world war. this dude gets it bless you, cabe
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Trammel posted:Do you feel this is this is a different view in regards to the narrative around blood ties to the mainland? Being born with Chinese blood parents gives you particular privileges, and you're automatically considered Chinese if one of your parents is Chinese, no matter where, or what cultural conditions, national identity or core values you may hold. It's important to remember that the Chinese state has been working to conflate Chinese identity with the PRC for decades and has been very successful. The idea that for example you could be a patriotic American and flee the country rather than be drafted into the TrumpenKopf Division wouldn't be very popular in China. I mean there would be people on both sides of that question in both countries, but the US has a history of teaching civil disobedience in its schools and had the recent experience with Vietnam draft-dodgers, while China teaches the century of humiliation and has been beating the nationalism drum pretty hard for the last two decades. This isn't like "wow Chinese immigrants are the 5th column" or whatever it's just prevailing attitudes are shaped by cultural experience and that's school and news and people you know. Arglebargle III fucked around with this message at 04:43 on Dec 13, 2016 |
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hong kong divorce lunch posted:Human wave doctrine. Cyber warfare. RED CHINA. Domino Theory. Blue ants.
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I am looking forward to drone wars between CH drones and Predators in a client state.
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RocknRollaAyatollah posted:RED CHINA. Domino Theory. Blue ants. We didn't start the fire It was always burning since the world's been turning
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The world is simply returning to its proper equilibrium, as the power vacuum left behind by the Soviet Union is filled by China as the US Hyperpower vanes as we prepare for a Clash of Civilizations between the Western Nation State and the Chinese Civilization State, as it Leverages its Soft Power to engage in a Culture and Economic War that inevitably ends with American Defeat.
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Speaking of civil disobedience the pollution where I live has been much worse this year, and was so bad that last week there was actually a big protest downtown about it. The riot cops came out and all images of it have been scrubbed, and stores have been told to report anyone printing posters or buying pollution masks to the local police for investigation, but it was amazing to see an actual large-scale protest in China. I know there's a lot more of it than they like to admit to but this is the first time I've personally witnessed it, was pretty cool.
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If I were to talk about things seriously, it's such a goddamn shame we don't have access to just how paranoid the CCP is over the idea of popular revolt. I mean, obviously you have the practical examples of them stamping down regionalism in Tibet and Xinjiang, the 1989 protests and the Falun Gong movement, but as their right to rule is based on the continued promise of economic prosperity and they keep loving it up, it will be so dang interesting to see what they might come up with next or if they'll drop the ball.
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Grand Fromage posted:Speaking of civil disobedience the pollution where I live has been much worse this year, and was so bad that last week there was actually a big protest downtown about it. The riot cops came out and all images of it have been scrubbed, and stores have been told to report anyone printing posters or buying pollution masks to the local police for investigation, but it was amazing to see an actual large-scale protest in China. I know there's a lot more of it than they like to admit to but this is the first time I've personally witnessed it, was pretty cool. do you think I'm just trying to raise my poscount when I say it's time to leave China or what
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Grand Fromage posted:Speaking of civil disobedience the pollution where I live has been much worse this year, and was so bad that last week there was actually a big protest downtown about it. The riot cops came out and all images of it have been scrubbed, and stores have been told to report anyone printing posters or buying pollution masks to the local police for investigation, but it was amazing to see an actual large-scale protest in China. I know there's a lot more of it than they like to admit to but this is the first time I've personally witnessed it, was pretty cool. Which city was this?
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whatever7 posted:Which city was this? Chengdu. This is the only pic I can find anymore. e: Also looks like the police are forcing some businesses and schools to tell students/employees they aren't allowed to wear pollution masks or use air filters. Trying to find some of the actual messages. Grand Fromage fucked around with this message at 09:28 on Dec 13, 2016 |
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As terrible as the CCP is, I'm rather worried as to what atrocity would count as the last straw. Or, for that matter, the atrocities they'd commit to prevent widespread diaspora or popular revolt.
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WarpedNaba posted:As terrible as the CCP is, I'm rather worried as to what atrocity would count as the last straw. Or, for that matter, the atrocities they'd commit to prevent widespread diaspora or popular revolt. Is there really anything? I firmly believe the CCP would burn China to the ground rather than cede one inch of power. We'd see escalating reprisals until they were outright purging whole neighborhoods.
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https://www.hongkongfp.com/2016/12/13/chengdu-authorities-clamp-down-on-air-pollution-reporting-following-protests/ https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/dec/12/china-riot-police-seal-off-city-centre-after-smog-protesters-put-masks-on-statues Couple reports about it. The pollution in Chengdu is usually not bad (by Chinese standards--it's still the case that a good "everybody go outside!" day here would be "holy loving poo poo apocalypse shut down everything" in other countries) so people are pretty upset with this year's spike. The government also reported the cause of the smog was 600-odd illegal barbecues, not the new petrochemical plant.
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Grand Fromage posted:Speaking of civil disobedience the pollution where I live has been much worse this year, and was so bad that last week there was actually a big protest downtown about it. The riot cops came out and all images of it have been scrubbed, and stores have been told to report anyone printing posters or buying pollution masks to the local police for investigation, but it was amazing to see an actual large-scale protest in China. I know there's a lot more of it than they like to admit to but this is the first time I've personally witnessed it, was pretty cool. How bad has the AQI been?
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Arglebargle III posted:How bad has the AQI been? It peaked at 410, which is the worst I've seen since I've been here. It was riding steadily in the high 200s to mid 300s for a few days. Smog was so thick the airport was shut down and flights were diverted to Xi'an and Chongqing.
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Grand Fromage posted:The government also reported the cause of the smog was 600-odd illegal barbecues, not the new petrochemical plant. That's even a popular claim by local governments in India to explain the pollution. I guess if you're going to deflect blame, might as well throw it at illegal activities. The current AQI isn't that bad relatively speaking, 167 is normal most the time in big industrial cities, but I've seen it go up as high as 900. It was like a black sandstorm at 900. I'm sure the mountains don't help either. The clamp down on masks is insane, almost on the same level as Xinjiang banning publicly being Muslim. Is that just what they tell apparatchiks to do now anytime there's a problem? Don't actually address the issue, just ban everything related to it and hope it goes away.
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Yeah it's gone down a lot since the peak, makes me wonder if the government is actually cutting off some of the factories to try to prevent any more protests. The Korean government once blamed the smog in Seoul on people barbecuing mackerel. I don't know why they were so specific. Usually they just blame China even though the science is that at least like 3/4 of the smog is from local sources. But then again after a few years in China the smog in Seoul just seems quaint.
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I wonder how many barbecues you'd have to light to cover the whole basin with smog, since it was just as bad in other major towns in the area.
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Did they really say straight up no masks? That seems strange considering how many people wear masks for other reasons than pollution (being sick, etc.)
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Redmark posted:Did they really say straight up no masks? That seems strange considering how many people wear masks for other reasons than pollution (being sick, etc.) Is that common in Sichuan? Most people in Henan and Shanghai would just cough or sneeze into your face.
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RocknRollaAyatollah posted:Is that common in Sichuan? Most people in Henan and Shanghai would just cough or sneeze into your face. No. I see it occasionally but that's a Japan thing. Somewhat in Korea too, and I've heard Taiwan also does it. Chengdu people just hack up their viruses all over everything without concern for others, as is tradition.
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I wouldn't say it's common in Beijing/Tianjin but uncommon times a shitton of people is a lot of masks. More prevalent in large public spaces like airports. Hell I wear one when leaving the airport because gently caress all the smoking agh
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Grand Fromage posted:Chengdu. This is the only pic I can find anymore. Probably because the media has been instructed to submit articles for review and not use pictures when covering the story of the pollution in Chengdu. WeChat and Weibo stories must be "strictly controlled"
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whatever7 posted:I haven't thought about it that much. What kind of split?
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If it ever came down to a choice between crippling chinese style air pollution or western air quality I'd probably pick chinese because *blood ties*
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Baronjutter posted:If it ever came down to a choice between crippling chinese style air pollution or western air quality I'd probably pick chinese because *blood ties* Sorry, the teams have already been picked. You don't get to choose which side you're on. Because *history* and *politics* and *human stupidity*
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Baronjutter posted:If it ever came down to a choice between crippling chinese style air pollution or western air quality I'd probably pick chinese because *blood ties* You can't understand the guy is Chinese, born and raised in China, and he sides with his own country? I disagree with some of what Whatever7 believes but he's one of the better posters in this thread. He doesn't owe you or anyone else an explanation as to why he sides with his own goddamn country. Sticking with the country he was born and raised in does not mean that he has to appreciate every aspect of it. I dislike the Chinese regime and would side with the US in a war. Donald Trump is the president of the United States, and I don't have any plans to leave the US despite this.
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