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Concerned Citizen posted:it's more than it's really hard for democratic campaigns to hire competent tech people. the best tech people don't give a poo poo about politics, and aren't going to leave high-paying jobs where they're massively in-demand for a one year project that pays half of what they could make otherwise. Dude it doesn't take the loving competent tech person. Just one goddamn person under 40 with a loud voice who doesn't give a poo poo who will scream at people when they don't set up two factor on the goddamn g-mail account they're running a 1.2 billion dollar presidential campaign from
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Mirthless posted:there's two possibilities here and i'm not sure which one is inducing more blinding, shaking rage it's somehow both of these because they were using contractors and IT contracting is a completely miserable service that nobody talented wants to work in unless they're being enormously overpaid for mediocre work
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Concerned Citizen posted:it's more than it's really hard for democratic campaigns to hire competent tech people. the best tech people don't give a poo poo about politics, and aren't going to leave high-paying jobs where they're massively in-demand for a one year project that pays half of what they could make otherwise. I think it's more that it appears hard* for Clinton campaigns to hire competent tech people. Obama's tech game was pretty slick both times around, as I recall, and looks even more so given how hilariously Romney's imploded on election day. *here, I suspect the difficulty isn't finding anyone competent, but rather in finding someone competent who passes the prerequisite bullshit loyalty parameters she and her cronies seemed to prioritize above actual ability.
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Dec 13, 2016 22:03
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LinYutang posted:i hope their IT was run by some trust fund intern brat b/c that'd be the perfect expression of clintonian hubris No, it was a consultancy out of Chicago. https://web.archive.org/web/20160306152449/http://misdepartment.com/
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Rangpur posted:I thin k we're supposed to be sality because he acknowledges racism played a role in the election instead of 'no war but class war,' which people keep telling me is what I believe so idk oh I figured it was because it was a sympathetic portrait of Obama and we all supposedly hate him with every fiber of our beings now because he was a filthy centrist
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 I'm not sure if it's more refreshing to know that Clinton's people stepping on their own dicks is what caused the Wikileaks mess or not.
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Dec 13, 2016 22:04
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How To Waste 1.3 Billion Dollars On Everything Except People Who Know COmputers Good
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On the other side of things, how are you an FBI agent contacting a major presidential campaign and you don't have a plan in place for "YEAH SUUUUUURE YOU'RE WITH THE FBI? *CLICK*" Bit of a shitshow all around is what it sounds like.
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Dec 13, 2016 22:05
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smh just hire me abuela a year ago and the world is saved
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You know what, the fact that he then said "change your password immediately" should've provided the context that it got autocorrected to something else.
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Jedi Knight Luigi posted:This is like the millionth time I've read this in this thread. Where's the citation? http://www.politico.com/story/2016/11/hillary-clinton-aides-loss-blame-231215 quote:There was little the Clinton operatives could do about the “scandals” they inherited when they signed up to work for the former secretary of state. But Clinton allies are also faulting the campaign for failing to develop a credible message for downscale white voters, arguing she could have won by a larger margin on the economy.
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Dec 13, 2016 22:06
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lmao my e-mail account is more secure then the entire dnc and john podesta's
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cool thought: clinton spent more money on glass confetti than on securing her emails
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paranoid randroid posted:so how salty are we about the new TNC piece in the Atlantic
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Grondoth posted:You know what, the fact that he then said "change your password immediately" should've provided the context that it got autocorrected to something else. The phising email looked like a Gmail link to reset your password.
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Joementum posted:The phising email was looked like a Gmail link to reset your password. oh no
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Captain_Maclaine posted:I think it's more that it appears hard* for Clinton campaigns to hire competent tech people. Obama's tech game was pretty slick both times around, as I recall, and looks even more so given how hilariously Romney's imploded on election day. hillary actually had a lot more security than obama. for example, they imposed a 30 day email deletion policy on all hillaryclinton.com accounts, even junior ones, by order of robby mook. actually, here's a funny story from their it department: they routinely did fake phishing emails to train employees on how to spot and avoid them. the hfa iowa state director fell for one and got so angry that he emailed the entire state and told them not to click it, that it was a trick, and that it was a "bizarre and stupid practice." that was the last fake phishing email they sent out. probably a month later half the accounts were getting spear phishing emails and several accounts were penetrated. like any organization, the best security measures are foiled by employees that feel inconvenienced by those security measures as far as obama '12 goes (i can't speak for '08) but i think anyone who had to use dashboard, the field reporting site, would not give favorable reviews to their tech apparatus. after the election the tech guy actually said "we wanted to build a rock solid base and then develop outward from that but the campaign never understood what we were trying to do." (it crashed almost every night when staff tried to report on it) they did develop some cool stuff, though so i won't give it entirely unfavorable reviews. Concerned Citizen has issued a correction as of 22:15 on Dec 13, 2016 |
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The Kingfish posted:It was long and boring so I stopped reading. its good actually
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Concerned Citizen posted:like any organization, the best security measures are foiled by employees that feel inconvenienced by those security measures did you know?? if your employees are "foiling security measures" your security measures are actually "bad" this is, like, the primest example of Amateur Security Talk https://support.google.com/a/answer/2548882?hl=en
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if any of your "security" relies on Idiot Entitled Grampa to properly follow rules of his own volition, you've failed already
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paranoid randroid posted:its good actually yeah it's good why am I supposed to be salty about it again?
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LinYutang posted:did you know?? if your employees are "foiling security measures" your security measures are actually "bad" obviously they should have enforced it, but they were not allowed to enforce it.
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I realize I’m late to this party but I had some experience with this:quote:Disconnection between the National campaign and local campaigns was also a problem looking back on it. Many local offices went underfunded as more and more money was diverted to winning the ad and communication war. I saw this first hand. I was active in a local campaign and a member of a local Dem club in a district that was supposed to be in play for the first time ever. We got no help from the Clinton campaign. We paid full price for yard signs, buttons, t-shirts etc. Selling campaign swag during presidential election years is how we make our money, and you be surprised at how many people will tell you to go gently caress yourself when you ask for $25.00 for a yard sign after buying it off the website for $22.00. We also watched our local Hillary Campaign Coordinator get no support either while at the same time being saddled with all sorts of rules about not partnering with local clubs. Mind you we’re chartered with the county party. All this to say, I think I need some post-election therapy. quote:Diagnoses: Trump and Obama had a movement. We had fear. Fear of Trump was never going to be enough to win. We needed a candidate who energized the base and appealed to what people want not don't. Would Bernie have won? It isn't my right to say. After all I was wrong all along lol Bernie would most certainly have done better, but I think the only potential candidate who could have tapped into whatever Trump had was Biden. Pity he didn’t run.
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bought the farm posted:and you be surprised at how many people will tell you to go gently caress yourself when you ask for $25.00 for a yard sign after buying it off the website for $22.00. hey at least you got your yard sign
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Concerned Citizen posted:obviously they should have enforced it, but they were not allowed to enforce it. Yeah, seems like a big part of the problem was that Podesta was using his personal email account, rather than the email system operated by the campaign. Which, of course, is something they had no way of knowing might cause problems.
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Zikan posted:lmao my e-mail account is more secure then the entire dnc and john podesta's His password was passw3rd
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ALL-PRO SEXMAN posted:yeah it's good Because you're posting in this, the Salt Thread For Salty People On The Salton Sea.
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ALL-PRO SEXMAN posted:yeah it's good because there are, historically, a lot of real stupid angry mother fuckers itt. fortunately of late they seem to have gone elsewhere.
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Joementum posted:The phising email looked like a Gmail link to reset your password. so, the tech guy is bullshitting, then, right? There's no way the reaction to merely getting a phishing email is "change your password". He didn't typo, he literally fell for it, and is trying to cover his rear end. jesus loving christ.
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Joementum posted:Yeah, seems like a big part of the problem was that Podesta was using his personal email account, rather than the email system operated by the campaign. His e-mails were destined to be hacked then.
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like stupid outside normal tolerances for cspam. just so, so so god drat dumb and crazy
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ALL-PRO SEXMAN posted:why am I supposed to be salty about it again? Find a reason!  etalian posted:His password was passw3rd Brb, gotta change my account password *doesn't actually change account password*
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Bushiz posted:so, the tech guy is bullshitting, then, right? There's no way the reaction to merely getting a phishing email is "change your password". He didn't typo, he literally fell for it, and is trying to cover his rear end. He did include a link to the real Gmail password reset form in his email back to Podesta, but that's not the one John decided to click. 
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Bushiz posted:so, the tech guy is bullshitting, then, right? There's no way the reaction to merely getting a phishing email is "change your password". He didn't typo, he literally fell for it, and is trying to cover his rear end. definitely, considering he would have also had to typo the article from "an illegitimate" to "a legitimate" email. accidentally being a loving moron is preferable to being a loving moron on purpose, I can see why he wouldn't want to own up to it
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paranoid randroid posted:because there are, historically, a lot of real stupid angry mother fuckers itt. fortunately of late they seem to have gone elsewhere. paranoid randroid posted:like stupid outside normal tolerances for cspam. just so, so so god drat dumb and crazy there's so many different flavors of stupid itt and cspam though I'm still not quite sure which particular stupid people you mean
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also i had one coworker who fell for the fake phishing emails 3 times in a row. i think the it department failed in not alerting the campaign that this staffer was too dumb to use email
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the main stupid posters got hit with probations for retarded posts in D&D, which only means they will come back to C-SPAM to deride D&D and make fun of the posters
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the worst part about tech security is that if it happens on the computer it ain't real so lol gonna click every link and let me tell you about bonzi buddy
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Clinton IT: yes it's fine if podesta uses a personal email, lightning doesn't strike twice in the same
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