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zegermans posted:About 90% of the time I get probated I make the post and think "yep this is a 6er" 
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Serf posted:just so we're clear, I don't think anyone here wouldn't vote for a left-leaning candidate because they weren't left enough. Clinton wasn't my first choice, but I got out and voted for her in my solid-red state because I still know that voting for the best available option is better than holding out for some mythical perfect politician and then immediately: Anime Schoolgirl posted:*36 years of economic bootfacing* sorry Serf
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loquacius posted:You won't get anything actually done with that attitude, though stuff like this makes me want to get things done just to spite people like you lmao
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ALL-PRO SEXMAN posted:and then immediately: plus you get more returns doing grassroots efforts like supporting aclu/dsa/dfa than "gee i hope the random number generator of politics gives me the candidate i want", how do you assume people don't understand this
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ALL-PRO SEXMAN posted:and then immediately: I haven't scrutinized forums poster Anime Schoolgirl's entire record, but I don't see any indication there that they still won't vote for the least-bad option
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Dec 14, 2016 01:51
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i voted for clinton and obama, that gives me 50 Party Points that i can spend criticizing them however i like
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it's called A Joke now it might not have been funny or even worked as A Joke, but it was still an attempt at one
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ALL-PRO SEXMAN posted:it's called A Joke 
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Tatum Girlparts posted:probably. I think if you show people that the actual 'extreme' in politics on the left is crazy motherfuckers who went so hard into ironic trump support because they think he'll finally destroy the american empire and a communist state can rise from the ashes that they just became normal rear end trump supporters then socialism as a concept will look a lot less scary to begin with. hello
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Thoguh posted:That's not a security policy, that's a liability reduction policy. yeah, sure. my point is that ofa had literally nothing, they didn't even think about it. it's just that no one was attacking them.
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paranoid randroid posted:im already prepping my MTW gimmick and practicing sneering at all you social democrats in preparation for the next phase of this subforums degeneration I'm practicing my MGTOW gimmick. A life of strenuous exercise, asceticism, and voluntary homosexuality.
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Dec 14, 2016 01:59
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Obama will be known as the first black president, and nothing else.
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I understand a good campaign should be able to withstand any scandal, but what would the election have looked like without the email garbage (comey+podesta leaks)?
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theflyingexecutive posted:I understand a good campaign should be able to withstand any scandal, but what would the election have looked like without the email garbage (comey+podesta leaks)? hillary is president of the united states
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Serf posted:imo the kids who grew up Obama will remember him more fondly than history will. pop culture will be kind to him like it was to Clinton before him Obama was the perfect president for being in presidential portraits and sometimes being on TV talking about important things. He was basically the most "Presidential" President.
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theflyingexecutive posted:I understand a good campaign should be able to withstand any scandal, but what would the election have looked like without the email garbage (comey+podesta leaks)? trump would have picked a different scandal out of the hillary grab bag to run with, hillarys campaign would probably be about the same
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there's not much else left in that grab bag, they tried going down the BILL IS A SEXUAL PREDATOR route post pussygate and that didn't do poo poo. the "locker-room talk" did it for him
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after that it's all murder accusations which i would have loved to see come out of donald trump's mouth
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I sure as poo poo don't want Jamie Harrison to be DNC chair but this was heartening, especially because it involved touching the poop of internet followers: https://twitter.com/Harrison4SC/status/808829152245727232
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theflyingexecutive posted:I understand a good campaign should be able to withstand any scandal, but what would the election have looked like without the email garbage (comey+podesta leaks)? clinton wins, worst case by a small margin in the key states she lost IRL that cause worries for the future, best case by a comfortable margin closer to 2012 in the pop vote. it was a close election so there's a lot of stuff you can credibly accuse of swinging the election without necessarily crediting it as being a big deal in itself
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Dec 14, 2016 02:10
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Obama's greatest asset was the fact that the Republicans blocked him for six years which let everyone go back to imagining that he would do good things instead of below mediocrity things.
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lazorexplosion posted:Obama's greatest asset was the fact that the Republicans blocked him for six years which let everyone go back to imagining that he would do good things instead of below mediocrity things. and if he remains popular this is Good For Us because we can mythologize him in much the same way the Republicans mythologized Reagan
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ALL-PRO SEXMAN posted:and if he remains popular this is Good For Us because we can mythologize him in much the same way the Republicans mythologized Reagan Yeah, you're right, bitching about Obama is unhelpful and counterproductive.
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theflyingexecutive posted:I understand a good campaign should be able to withstand any scandal, but what would the election have looked like without the email garbage (comey+podesta leaks)? Hillary still loses, because she still took votes for granted, didn't campaign in must win states, and had no message beyond 'Trump real bad'. Hillary already had the stink of triangulating politician with no moral center who didn't give a poo poo about anyone not on the coasts about her.
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Anime Schoolgirl posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHkPadFK34o No I meant Bill Clinton saying "don't forget the rust belt" E: never mind someone else answered next page Embarrassing. Maybe the DNC needs an "upper-midwesterner-at-large" spot. Jedi Knight Luigi has issued a correction as of 02:43 on Dec 14, 2016 |
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Stexils posted:i dont actually think kerry or chelsea will run Depending on how the next four years go for her, Kamala Harris might be able to make a credible run for it.
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Dec 14, 2016 02:42
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Serf posted:imo the kids who grew up Obama will remember him more fondly than history will. pop culture will be kind to him like it was to Clinton before him Pop-history will love Obama because he was cool and "historical." Actual historians will make jokes about how everybody thinks he's cool despite his lack of accomplishments.
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A big part of his legacy might end up being what Trump does or doesn't do once he has the reigns of the surveillance state that Obama kept in place and expanded during his time in office.
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Thoguh posted:A big part of his legacy might end up being what Trump does or doesn't do once he has the reigns of the surveillance state that Obama kept in place and expanded during his time in office. But that massive surveillance state apparatus has a very big 'no American civilians, unless they might possibly be connected to something unsavory' warning sticker on it! How could anyone possibly abuse that?
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The Kingfish posted:Actual historians will make jokes about how everybody thinks he's cool despite his lack of accomplishments. Wanna bet? 
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No. It's also possible that popular culture will remember him as a two-term Jimmy Carter who was in way over his head. E: that is unlikely tho, folks are gonna love his memory unless Trump somehow manages to be an effective president. The Kingfish has issued a correction as of 03:14 on Dec 14, 2016 |
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obama will be remembered poorly because he was not bernie sanders
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At Brooklyn headquarters on Wednesday, Podesta expressed his gratitude and support for the team, and for Mook. “We have the No. 1 campaign manager,” he said, in a staffwide gathering in the afternoon. "I've been doing this since 1968, and I've never seen a culture and a spirit like we created in this campaign.”
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Obama will be the closest thing to Reagan the Dems have.
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etalian posted:At Brooklyn headquarters on Wednesday, Podesta expressed his gratitude and support for the team, and for Mook. “We have the No. 1 campaign manager,” he said, in a staffwide gathering in the afternoon. "I've been doing this since 1968, and I've never seen a culture and a spirit like we created in this campaign.” probably technically not wrong about either thing
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logikv9 posted:Obama will be the closest thing to Reagan the Dems have. I'm trying to decide if this is applies to anything but their popularities. And Obama couldn't even get his party's candidate elected.
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I think massively expanding our drone and surveillance programs while continuing to meddle and cause untold slaughter in foreign affairs while making little progress beyond a couple bills that get rolled back and weren't that great in the first place is actually good because,
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logikv9 posted:Obama will be the closest thing to Reagan the Dems have. Except without the whole 'changing the compact between citizens and government for generations' thing that Reagan had. So... perceived to be the flag bearer for the party, but nowhere near as influential on history.
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Am I forgetting some major success of Obama's over the past 8 years? All I can think of is the ACA and that is both a disaster and about to be repealed/reworked.
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