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I love Nando you guys know that but Schumi was on another level, the guy was a machine.
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El Hefe posted:I love Nando you guys know that but Schumi was on another level, the guy was a machine. I doubt many people who watched F1 during his reign will rate him that highly solely because of sour grapes and the extent to which Ferrari favored him as a #1 driver.
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Dec 13, 2016 22:15
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wicka posted:I doubt many people who watched F1 during his reign will rate him that highly solely because of sour grapes and the extent to which Ferrari favored him as a #1 driver. I do. He was obviously the best until he retired.
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Dec 13, 2016 22:16
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Schumi wasn't good enough for Kimi though.
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Dec 13, 2016 22:42
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El Hefe posted:I love Nando you guys know that but Schumi was on another level, the guy was a machine. Absolutely true. I hated the guy with a passion but he was an absolute beast. Unpopular opinion: I loved Senna and hatef Prost
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Dec 13, 2016 22:46
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wicka posted:I doubt many people who watched F1 during his reign will rate him that highly solely because of sour grapes and the extent to which Ferrari favored him as a #1 driver. I hated him with a passion during his reign, but loved to see him when he came back
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Dec 13, 2016 22:50
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I don't think I've ever watched more than a handful of races in any year he won a championship. I will say his performance in '97 was eye opening and tied with Alonso in 2012 for "Dragging a Ferrari that has no business winning a championship frustratingly close to winning the title."
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Dec 13, 2016 23:08
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The '96 Ferrari was even worse and he managed to put it on Pole 4 times and win 3 races. To put it in to perspective, Irvine retired like 7 or 8 times in a row.
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Dec 13, 2016 23:24
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I won't forget how unwatchable Schumi made 2004.
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Dec 13, 2016 23:28
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Sir Stirling, who is cool and good, said Fangio was the best, so he's the best. Sir Jackie, who is cool and good, said Clark was the best, so he's the best.
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Dec 13, 2016 23:57
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90s Schumacher was so so much better then everyone else and it makes me laugh when people imply Hakkinen was on a similar level or more 'naturally fast'.
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Dec 13, 2016 23:59
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Rev. Dr. Moses P. Lester posted:Sir Stirling, who is cool and good, said Fangio was the best, so he's the best. Sir Jackie, who is cool and good, said Clark was the best, so he's the best. Bernie said Prost was the best of his era, he should know
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Dec 14, 2016 00:04
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AgentJotun posted:90s Schumacher was so so much better then everyone else and it makes me laugh when people imply Hakkinen was on a similar level or more 'naturally fast'. The thing was you had Hill and Are Jacques  who both had faster cars and looked like they were struggling to keep their heads above water and the Mika got a car faster than Michael and he was decent enough to keep to look composed.
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1500quidporsche posted:The thing was you had Hill and Are Jacques
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hosed up double post
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Dec 14, 2016 01:30
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Beats Scumacher, has a villeneuve-esque meltdown in a title battle against Irvine.
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wicka posted:I doubt many people who watched F1 during his reign will rate him that highly solely because of sour grapes and the extent to which Ferrari favored him as a #1 driver. I had the opposite experience. I was a die-hard schumacher fan after his first season (or whichever it was when he drove around stuck in gear creating a new racing line on the fly and even loving doing a pit stop) which was extremely hard in the UK when OH MY WORD ITS DAMON HILL was everywhere and Schumacher was literally hitler for his hard racing antics. If anyone seriously wants to understand Schumi they need to watch his first 3 seasons at Ferrari. There are races where he visibly runs masses less aero than anyone else to try to mitigate the shitbox ferrari performance and his controlled/out of control cornering to make that actually work was mesmerising. That and the one Hungarian GP where he puts in qualifying pace for 20~ laps in a row to try to get a free pitstop.
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Khablam posted:
That one was mesmerizing.
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Dec 14, 2016 02:54
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In a world of What If's, who would have been considered the worse champion. Irvine or Massa?
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I'd personally have no issue with either. This sport would be far better if it produced more weird one off champions every ten years or so.
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Dec 14, 2016 04:36
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You want weirdos when you could have ice cream bars?
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freeranger posted:In a world of What If's, who would have been considered the worse champion. Irvine or Massa? Both would've been brilliant and richly deserved imo. 
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Bit of off-season watching for anybody who is interested. Documentary about the rise and fall of Group B rallying: http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xty1w4_bbc-madness-on-wheels-rallying-s-craziest-years_shortfilms Documentary about F1 in the 60s and 70s and how the drivers pushed for safety regulations: http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x14el38_grand-prix-the-killer-years-documentary_auto
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freeranger posted:In a world of What If's, who would have been considered the worse champion. Irvine or Massa? n.rosberg
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freeranger posted:In a world of What If's, who would have been considered the worse champion. Irvine or Massa? The greatest what if is how many times a race weekend Eddie Jordan would bring up Frentzen winning the championship in a Jordan had he managed it in 99.
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Dec 14, 2016 08:54
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freeranger posted:In a world of What If's, who would have been considered the worse champion. Irvine or Massa? Irvine, as in a world where Massa was WDC he would have somehow avoided the spring and still been good Massa. TBH there were a lot of parallels between them, see Europe 99 v Silverstone 08 for the best example.
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I can't get enough of are Dan
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HJB posted:Irvine, as in a world where Massa was WDC he would have somehow avoided the spring and still been good Massa. In an ideal world McLaren wouldn't have hosed Hamilton's race in China 2007 and he would have been WDC, then Massa would have won in 2008.
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Dec 14, 2016 12:06
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Jedit posted:In an ideal world McLaren wouldn't have hosed Hamilton's race in China 2007 and he would have been WDC, then Massa would have won in 2008. An ideal world includes a Raikkonen WDC.
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Dec 14, 2016 12:58
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freeranger posted:In a world of What If's, who would have been considered the worse champion. Irvine or Massa? Irvine.
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wicka posted:An ideal world includes a Raikkonen WDC. False
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I'm sure we all agree that England is a land of frauds with fraudulent TV and fraudulent news services and fraudulent WDCs and that Germany is the only righteous and true land of proper engineering and driving and winning. I did however just look it up and England has something like 8 different drivers with a WDC win, including notable Englishmen such as Jim Clark and Jackie Stewart. The next countries down the list are I believe Brazil and Germany with 3 each, less than half the number of the land of Engs. Quite impressive, though laden with fraud.
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Dec 14, 2016 14:16
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Tsaedje posted:False Look at you Look at how wrong you are
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wicka posted:Look at you Maybe a adrian newey mclaren WDC, but a Ferrari Championship can never be moral. Its like rooting for the nazis in a ww2 movie.
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Dec 14, 2016 14:33
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It all started with a quiet man named Michele Alboreto
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I couldn't find the star for the top of my lovely Christmas tree so I had to make do with an angel instead
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Baron Corbyn posted:I couldn't find the star for the top of my lovely Christmas tree so I had to make do with an angel instead 
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Theophany posted:Go on then, off-season question: who do you consider the best F1 driver of all time and who do you consider the best racing driver of all time, regardless of discipline? At the height of his powers, Schumi was unbeatable.
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Dec 14, 2016 17:57
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I legitimately think the late 90s F1 field was secretly terrible (what if Wendlinger had turned out different, what if Johnny Herbert hadn't gimped his legs, etc etc) but Schumi's accomplishments in his early career at Benetton clearly show his talent level
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Dec 14, 2016 18:08
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I've said it before too, but Villeneuve is really lucky Schumacher tried to wreck him like a dipshit at Jerez '97, because without that, everyone talks about how Schumacher nearly beat Villeneuve with a far shittier car
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Theophany posted:Go on then, off-season question: who do you consider the best F1 driver of all time and who do you consider the best racing driver of all time, regardless of discipline? Niki Lauda and Freddie Spencer. If bike racers are not allowed, then Niki Lauda and Mario Andretti.
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