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A Buttery Pastry posted:Maybe they asked people living in neighborhoods where around 1/3 of people actually are Muslim. Someone on Twitter pointed out that 45% of the people surveyed in France answered "don't know" (you can see it here, on page 19), for what it's worth.
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https://twitter.com/MichelReijns/status/809044483945930752 Reijns is Dijsselbloem's spokesperson. 2017's gonna be interesting - brexit, french elections, and greek crisis round 3
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And now I understand why all these nationalist governments are springing up.
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Remember the old days when all we had to worry about was nuclear destruction?
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LemonDrizzle posted:https://twitter.com/MichelReijns/status/809044483945930752 The EU is too stupid to survive.
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ChainsawCharlie posted:Remember the old days when all we had to worry about was nuclear destruction?
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MiddleOne posted:Liberal democracy's have no real safeguards against this kind of behavior because unless there's something strictly unlawful like spying going on stepping in would be trampling on individuals rights. Lobbying the interests of a foreign state is not a crime and neither is of your 'own volition' acting in accord with the interests of other states. I mean most member states still have laws criminalizing acting against the defensive interests of the nation but that doesn't really correlate to foreign interest. see also : liberal democracy total absence of safeguards against anime
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MiddleOne posted:Can we upgrade Italy to failed-state yet, or will Belgium remain alone at that perch? Italy's basically been a failed state since the early 90s
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icantfindaname posted:Italy's basically been a failed state since the early 90s 1890s
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icantfindaname posted:Italy's basically been a failed state since the early 90s
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ChainsawCharlie posted:Remember the old days when all we had to worry about was nuclear destruction? There are increasingly more and more days where I pray for this still.
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MiddleOne posted:The EU is too stupid to survive. Counterpoint: The EU governments and populations are, it's just fulfilling their will. e: The idea of helping Greece out is great on paper, the problem is that if you go to most people they'll be all "Wait what, out of my taxes?!?? It's the Greeks own fault so let them get out of it themselves, bloody skivers. We've already helped them a lot anyway! And if I had my way that wouldn't have happened either." Countries outside the Eurozone (like Britain) are those who complain about the lack of action the loudest, but they are also the ones that chortle with glee how smart they are that they don't have Euro and don't have to contribute. In summary: kill everyone, then yourselves. (this is a joke on a joke forum secret services, please don't jail me ill be good  )
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LemonDrizzle posted:https://twitter.com/MichelReijns/status/809044483945930752 The context for this is Tsipras pledging to use the surplus to raise pensions and offer VAT relief.
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YF-23 posted:The context for this is Tsipras pledging to use the surplus to raise pensions and offer VAT relief.
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Vat is one of the most regressive taxes there is so this is good?
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I'm starting to think this whole EU thing isn't really working out..
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Yeah lowering VAT is something that I would feel is a leftist type of tax break.
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ChainsawCharlie posted:Vat is one of the most regressive taxes there is so this is good? It is good, and thus must be struck down in sacrifice to Our Lady of Austerity.
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Says man with a increasing number of boot prints in his face for the seventh time Edit:i was responding to Orange Sky but your point also stands YF. Antifa Poltergeist fucked around with this message at 18:20 on Dec 14, 2016 |
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orange sky posted:I'm starting to think this whole EU thing isn't really working out.. It's still a lot better than nothing and achieved plenty of useful things? Don't let perfect be the enemy of good etc, etc. Blind nationalism can be way more lovely than milquetoast liberalism.
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Private Speech posted:It's still a lot better than nothing and achieved plenty of useful things? Don't let perfect be the enemy of good etc, etc. Blind nationalism can be way more lovely than milquetoast liberalism. In this case perfect isn't the enemy of the good, it's the enemy of the broken.
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So what I gather is; people agree that pensioners should be flushed down the toilet like the turds they are.
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A Buttery Pastry posted:So what I gather is; people agree that pensioners should be flushed down the toilet like the turds they are. Well, no, but as far as Greek pensioners are concerned the wider population would probably say that they could take a cut on their relatively high retirement incomes. I'm not saying I'm one of them, but these forums are way to the left of what average people think.
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YF-23 posted:The context for this is Tsipras pledging to use the surplus to raise pensions and offer VAT relief. After even the IWF has repeated its advice to make pensions less of a burden.
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Private Speech posted:Well, no, but as far as Greek pensioners are concerned the wider population would probably say that they could take a cut on their relatively high retirement incomes. You'd misjudge that then. Because of unemployment, lots of non-retired Greek households have had to rely on the (relatively stable) income of retired relatives, and a lot of people in the workforce see the constant attacks on pensions as a threat to their future income once they reach retirement age themselves. If you think that after 6 years of austerity your average Greek thinks "yeah, I think we could go for more cuts", you are beyond deluded.
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A Buttery Pastry posted:So what I gather is; people agree that pensioners should be flushed down the toilet like the turds they are. That's a nice way of shutting down any discussion. Is a one-time Christmas bonus for a specific group of people really the most effective use of the Greek surplus? Might it not be more effective for the Greek economy to spread that money out over the year, or should it maybe be spent on other low-income groups instead, say, the disabled or the homeless? Is it a good idea to piss off your creditors when they are having a fierce debate on the size of the primary surpluses you will have to run, and the most important party on the other side has elections coming up? Couldn't you at least inform them before taking this action, or is your principle of being as independent as possible more important than a chance at reducing the Greek debt load by a sizable amount over the next decades? Whatever you think of all these questions, and even if you do think that Greece's creditors should ease it on the austerity, you simply cannot have these debates because then you're basically in favour of killing grandma.
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YF-23 posted:If you think that after 6 years of austerity your average Greek thinks "yeah, I think we could go for more cuts", you are beyond deluded. Oh I'm not talking about the average Greek. And even then Tsipras somehow does right-wing revenue-negative poo poo and he was supposed to be the expression of the desires of Greek left? Thing is that Greece would have a hard time going at it alone, and everyone else is being shits about it. e: I'm in favour of writing off all Greek debt myself to be clear, but it's simply not politically feasible. Best you can do is major creditor cuts. Private Speech fucked around with this message at 18:38 on Dec 14, 2016 |
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Pluskut Tukker posted:you simply cannot have these debates because then you're basically in favour of killing grandma. That's correct.
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LemonDrizzle posted:https://twitter.com/MichelReijns/status/809044483945930752 Nice to see that Dieselboom is still in full "blood for the blood god" mode.
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It still bogles my mind why we arent talking about caping pensions at say 5x minimum wage.updated every 3 years or something. Edit:actually do the same for income and capital gains,20x minimum wage. higher than that hello 90% tax. Antifa Poltergeist fucked around with this message at 18:46 on Dec 14, 2016 |
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A Buttery Pastry posted:So what I gather is; people agree that pensioners should be flushed down the toilet like the turds they are. Nope. They [the IMF] say Greece should spend an amount on money on pensions that is comparable to that of other European nations. Their pension system runs an 11% of GDP deficit. I know that facts are things of a bygone era, but if you want to have look at people actually say instead of simply insinuating what makes you feel smuggest, have a look at the criticism of the IMF: https://www.imf.org/en/News/Articles/2016/09/23/MS092316-Greece-Staff-Concluding-Statement-of-the-2016-Article-IV-Mission
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Einbauschrank posted:Nope. They [the IMF] say Greece should spend an amount on money on pensions that is comparable to that of other European nations. Their pension system runs an 11% of GDP deficit.
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ChainsawCharlie posted:It still bogles my mind why we arent talking about caping pensions at say 5x minimum wage.updated every 3 years or something. I am in favor of this but imo it would increase tax evasion dramatically.
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orange sky posted:I am in favor of this but imo it would increase tax evasion dramatically. It would ,thats why it would have to be done along side a complete tax code reform which is one of the actions that the imf keeps hammering about.and also killing offshores (or at least reverting them to their original purpose) so lol it will never happen.
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Can someone explain what's going on in Wallonia that could be causing them to turn so hard left? Additionally, when the next economic crisis hits and N-VA gets liquidated in the popular opinion, will WPB have anything to offer Flemish nationalists or will they just all flock to Vlaams Belang?
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orange sky posted:I am in favor of this but imo it would increase tax evasion dramatically. Not a problem: just physically eliminate people who fraud. I think that drone strikes should be one of the tools at the disposal of revenue services. After you murder a couple thousand billionaires, the rest of them should get the message, and they might even pay more of their taxes than they owe as a patriotic gesture. Of course you have to do that again every 50 years because people have short memory and the next generations forget, but hey, that's a small price to pay.
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ChainsawCharlie posted:It would ,thats why it would have to be done along side a complete tax code reform which is one of the actions that the imf keeps hammering about.and also killing offshores (or at least reverting them to their original purpose) so lol it will never happen. If enough people are for those changes they can happen. We've all just resignated to saying gently caress it. In our relatively small country you'd just need to get the message out. But the press is all bought so it really has to be grassroots.
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orange sky posted:If enough people are for those changes they can happen. We've all just resignated to saying gently caress it. In our relatively small country you'd just need to get the message out. But the press is all bought so it really has to be grassroots. Ei Man im a comunist i know all about howling against the Wind.the problem is that the Wind keeps spitting in my face and screaming that i eat babies for breakfast. That bit on capital gains is actually lifted from a paper by the economic comitee of the pcp.its a incredibly complex matter especialy in a monetary Union and basicaly it has to be fixed on the eu level.ill see if i can find it when not phone posting. hell so much can be fixed at the eu level.so pester your eu representative by email,facebook,Twitter candygram even.
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Cat Mattress posted:Not a problem: just physically eliminate people who fraud. I think that drone strikes should be one of the tools at the disposal of revenue services. I would vote for the guy saying this.
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