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nopantsjack posted:I was browsing the RSI forums for fun and they had some thread about how much they'd each spent and how they don't tell their family or whatever, anyway one dude came in saying he regretted spending any money because the game doesn't exist, everyone jumped on him and said he should just get a refund. quote:Its still CIG policy to not give refunds and those guys are deluded morons, right? Saint Drogo posted:Pfft it just wasn't Radiant(tm) enough last time. That's the funny thing. Bethesda has actually spent a decade and a half on trying to make that kind of thing work, and even when it does what it should, the behaviour this creates is a standing point of ribbing and derision in every game they release. And yet, somehow, Chris and his band of merry graphical artists — none of which have any experience in doing anything remotely related — are supposed to invent something vastly better in a fraction of the time? How do the faithful ever make that leap of logic work? Tippis fucked around with this message at 18:23 on Dec 14, 2016 |
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Tippis posted:And yet, somehow, Chris and his band of merry graphical artists — none of which have any experience in doing anything remotely related — are supposed to invent something vastly better in a fraction of the time? How do the faithful ever make that leap of logic work? But it's Chris Robberts, coding all night! Does Bethesda have a Chris Roberts? No.
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MoMA the backer barometer is doing a good job of laying out the "Missing the forest for the Trees" type argument true believers have been using. It's actually a really enlightening example on why so many people are so invested in the project. It isn't even about the project. The fake demos aren't being considered. Chris Robert's past isn't being considered. The time isn't being considered, any one of a hundred red flags do not exist when you encapsulate and segregate each argument down into it's simplest form. So MoMA (and most backers) true belief rests on "2.6 THIS YEAR" and "2.6 THIS FRIDAY" and "MULTI CREW SHIP SIX MONTHS" and "STAR MARINE EXISTS" type arguments completely divorced from the bigger picture. Each specific point can be argued until the end of the universe if you are a big enough shitlord so you are never wrong. Even if you are 100% obviously wrong and it cracks your delusion and you start to doubt, it's still a completely meaningless tree in a forest of idiot rear end in a top hat decisions. So what if 2.6 doesn't come out this year if you've compartmentalized it into a .00005% portion while pretending 99.99995% of the situation doesn't even exist. Sure MoMA is surrounded by piles of lumber from 273 different destroyed arguments, but hey look, another tree right there! People are hitting it with axes? Hey another tree! This one is full of termites? Hey another Tree! This forest will last forever!
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Imagine Crobberts trying (and failing) the whole night to install current graphics drivers, and Sandi actually thinking he is coding...lol
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did CIG put a Star Citizen trailer before screenings of Rogue One? I'm basing this primarily on this somewhat cryptic thread: https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/5ibu1d/i_just_saw_rogue_one_and_i_need_this_game_more/ and also an INN podcast from many months ago where they said we would see the beginning of an advertising blitz for SQ42 starting in December. People speculated at the time that it might be a Rogue One trailer. If so, wow, must have cost a pretty penny.
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tuo posted:Imagine Crobberts trying (and failing) the whole night to install current graphics drivers, and Sandi actually thinking he is coding...lol Look, he's just trying to find his DB-25 parallel port to plug in his joystick dongle and make the joystick.sys driver load — no need to be mean to the poor guy, even if he's completely stumped on the first step.
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Tippis posted:That's the funny thing. Bethesda has actually spent a decade and a half on trying to make _________work, and even when it does what it should, this creates is a standing point of ribbing and derision in every game they release.
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Tippis posted:That's the funny thing. Bethesda has actually spent a decade and a half on trying to make that kind of thing work, and even when it does what it should, the behaviour this creates is a standing point of ribbing and derision in every game they release. while this point might work against me in the context of CiG, i have to say it: big businesses that are shipping profitable products (bethesda games) are rarely going to take the time to fix-up fundamental issues in their engines unless they really really _really_ have to, by the time you barely ship & patch & maintain the game you're working on right this second, plans and concept work are already happening for the next project, the game programmers don't all go into a big room and start putting stickies on the wall for things they wanna clean up tech-debt wise and get "ready" for the next project. the next project is already on the rails and the minute they are done with their current project they are yanked off and are prototyping elements of what's to come. the time to get certain kinds of axiomatic engine-bound things right is usually the first time, anything else will be written off as a waste of money and time by the money wizards above you. a healthy company tries to balance tech debt against product deadlines, but rarely can core engine things just "be fixed". like, oh you want to change how the sorting works for this kind of scene? well that's impossible because the way the realtime lighting is set up for this scene means you'd have to use an entirely different scheme for how such and such is calculated and now you also have to update all the gizmos and level editing tools that work with said lights. or we could say "hey our engine isn't meant for this kind of scene that requires this kind of sorting, let's just hide the issues with it by doing $HACK and get this thing shipped" this doesn't help paint CiG in a good light though because it's not their engine and CryTek is falling apart and CryEngine is already a crufty mess of very specific hacks to make Crysis-like games work. NOT big mega space mmos with no specific scope. a cyberpunk goose fucked around with this message at 18:36 on Dec 14, 2016 |
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Tippis posted:Look, he's just trying to find his DB-25 parallel port to plug in his joystick dongle and make the joystick.sys driver load — no need to be mean to the poor guy, even if he's completely stumped on the first step. He's still googling where to find the config.sys in Windows 10 Crob: "Cortana, where's the config.sys"? Cortana: "Sorry, I don't understand that question." Crob: "STOP TALKING LIKE MY LEAD DEVELOPERS!!!" tuo fucked around with this message at 18:38 on Dec 14, 2016 |
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Holy poo poo. I understand that reference. God drat that takes me back.
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Megabound posted:The video of it is even better. the no kids crew is really missing out... train them right and they are really loyal companions and probably won't even poop on the floor much
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Propagandist posted:Holy poo poo. I understand that reference. God drat that takes me back. come on man, the Stand is not THAT long a-
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A Neurotic Corncob posted:did CIG put a Star Citizen trailer before screenings of Rogue One?
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tuo posted:He's still googling where to find the config.sys in Windows 10 ftfy
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I love the "CIG Patchnote" style of list making. I was going to make a 30 bullet point list about brushing my teeth this morning but I don't even want to be this dumb sarcastically.
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Hello Commandos. My cat probably has FID. Which sucks. Someone crowdfund a cure for this poo poo, because gently caress losing my buddy.
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Eldragon posted:Yes, and I'm going to patiently wait and see if completely fucks it up. I don't understand, do you know what the word 'if' means? Because that's certainly not the word for which you were looking here
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# ? Dec 14, 2016 18:56 |
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Looks like I'm getting it all back.
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Beer4TheBeerGod posted:Looks like I'm getting it all back. Grats on the refund, commando!
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Beer4TheBeerGod posted:Looks like I'm getting it all back. gently caress yeah that's awesome. Glad you didn't have to fight for it, even if I am a little disappointed that I don't get to watch you fight for it.
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Is it literally just me left then?
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peter gabriel posted:Is it literally just me left then? I'll be your wingman, pgabz
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peter gabriel posted:Is it literally just me left then? Don't worry, I'm buying in once 2.6 hits live this friday. Then you'll have both me and Saraspillar as wingmen.
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Beer4TheBeerGod posted:Looks like I'm getting it all back. Rock on. Time to make the proper propitiation to your deity then?
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peter gabriel posted:Is it literally just me left then? Ive got 5 dollars of skin in the game friend I'm riding this all the way down.
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And I hate to toot my own horn, but I can't leave this stuff unarchived. S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-SELF-OWNED! FATALITY! Samizdata fucked around with this message at 19:19 on Dec 14, 2016 |
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peter gabriel posted:Is it literally just me left then? Still have my 45 $ Aurora, pre SQ 42 split. Not logging in since 2.1 because those giant patches take half of my metered internet for the month.
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TheLightPurges posted:Ive got 5 dollars of skin in the game friend I'm riding this all the way down. Which is really like $20 developer dollars if you think about it.
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Tippis posted:Look, he's just trying to find his DB-25 parallel port to plug in his joystick dongle and make the joystick.sys driver load — no need to be mean to the poor guy, even if he's completely stumped on the first step.
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shrach posted:So RSI UK filed their accounts today. There isn't much to see, for reasons that will become immediately apparent, but they confirm the money moves around needlessly. I made a flow chart in MS paint for 2015 of the information so far. Been gone a while. has anyone done this yet?
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a cyberpunk goose posted:while this point might work against me in the context of CiG, i have to say it: big businesses that are shipping profitable products (bethesda games) are rarely going to take the time to fix-up fundamental issues in their engines unless they really really _really_ have to, by the time you barely ship & patch & maintain the game you're working on right this second, plans and concept work are already happening for the next project, the game programmers don't all go into a big room and start putting stickies on the wall for things they wanna clean up tech-debt wise and get "ready" for the next project. the next project is already on the rails and the minute they are done with their current project they are yanked off and are prototyping elements of what's to come. You make some good points there sir, but I still think making 100,000 polygon vehicles is the logical first step in MMO development
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All the great MMOs started figuring out their networking poo poo 4-5 years in. Pretty typical game development.
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https://twitter.com/dsmart/status/809099349628227584
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i think its pretty badass how calling out people for being obsessive internet stalkers resulted in someone digging out real life pictures of me.
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Xarbala posted:Somebody please give ArfJason his incredibly disturbing old av back Why, what's the difference? The current one is incredibly disturbing too.
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ArfJason posted:i think its pretty badass how calling out people for being obsessive internet stalkers resulted in someone digging out real life pictures of me. Stop whining about the dumb av you bought for yourself nobody cares
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