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Platystemon posted:The policy was ignored, as in, the dead guy never locked or tagged anything. The one OSHA story I have, was from my time in the USN. In '94, my ship was at dock with a carrier, and an oiler that was about time and a half bigger than my ordinance replentisher ship. It was a Friday, and a mainspace dude on the oiler that was probably lazy about doing the PMS they were scheduled to handle during the day was thus rushing and cutting corners in the last hour of the day to get stuff done so he could post for the weekend. The top sheave of a freight elevator car needed scheduled lubrication. So, he climbed in there to grease the fucker. Only, he utterly skipped lockout-tagout, or even killing power to the shaft. Someone on an upper deck hit the call button, and the guy probably had a good 45 seconds of screaming in terror as the elevator rose to the top and pretty much cut him into six different pieces when it got there. His wife and kids were on the quarterdeck, waiting for him to get finished as this happened. If you'll pardon the morbid pun there. All ships in the group were immediately docked, deployments cancelled for two weeks as we had safety stand-down and were largely made to watch the un-cut Forrestal disaster tapes repeatedly, in an effort to remind folks that lockout-tagout is all about keeping you from getting killed, or killing someone else.
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I want part 2. How many wrecked cars before the guy doles out one more cone like an oliver twist gruel master poking a pile of starved orphans with his hobnailed boot and begrudgingly accepting one more slop of gruel.
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Dec 14, 2016 16:43
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Oh my God, it's a redneck lifehack.
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Dec 14, 2016 17:07
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Das Butterbrot posted:why / for what is nitrous even used nowadays. when i asked my dentist why it's not used over here anymore she laughed and said something along the lines of "we're not in the 1950s we have local powerful anaesthetics now" It's an adjunct anesthetic gas. You'd need to breath 104% Nitrous Oxide to be reliably knocked out for surgery. That doesn't leave much room for oxygen. In the OR your anesthesia provider might mix it in with more powerful anesthetic gas(Sevoflurane, Isoflurane or Desflurane) in order to use less of them. They'll do this in order to help wake you up quicker at the end of the surgery as the stronger anesthesia gasses are fairly fat soluble and take a while to exit your brain/blood into your lungs where you can breath them out. It's also used to help get children off to sleep as typically an IV isn't started on them until after they are asleep so what we do is just crank the nitrous and the strong gas to the max and pin the mask to their face, the more they scream the quicker they fall asleep! In that case it's just being used as a helpful additive to speed things up. On it's own though it's a great pain reliever and makes you feel good. For exampled it's used all over the world for pain during labor and well in dentistry.
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I don't care if it's a work truck, a dead body in the road, or a car broken down. If you can't stop in time you're going too fast for the conditions of the road! That's as bad as people who outrun their headlights at night time.
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Dec 14, 2016 17:58
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Ralp posted:I don't think he would go that fast from the momentum of a chainsaw chain but it is how physics works. that's true if he were changing the angle of the blade after he fired it up, as long as it is held at the same angle as when the momentum was stored that won't happen.
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Bum the Sad posted:Your dentist was retarded, the local anesthetics they're using in your mouth are the same ones they've been using for years, Lidocaine has been around since the 40's. Dissasociatives are cool
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Dec 14, 2016 18:33
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Grandma Panic! posted:Guy buys his own Titan missile silo, pops it open for the first time in decades and goes exploring: That is so unbelievably stupid to have gone in there without a gas meter. That guy was very very observant though, to have noticed his voice changing register and correctly interpreting that as some kind of gas pocket. That's some old-fashioned miner instincts right there. Of course relying on those when there are machines that will do it for you is so so stupid, but that was some extremely observant thinking and correct, quick action. Some googling reveals that a factory-calibrated explosion-proofed handheld meter that gives you any warnings it can about anything dangerous can be bought online for ~600 bucks. Seems like a good investment for someone exploring a contaminated underground unventilated uncontrolled enclosed space I read recently about people exploring this hyper-radioactive ex-military site that was purposefully contaminated, making it vastly more dangerous than a nuke test site. Apparently every few years some urbex people go in there and are like "yup, still hideously dangerous". But even those people have the loving presence of mind to carry some meters with them so they know when to turn back, jesus. Uncle Enzo fucked around with this message at 19:24 on Dec 14, 2016 |
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Dec 14, 2016 19:21
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I want to know how you buy your own silo but not your own well equipped and knowledgeable team for inspecting said silo for horrible dangers
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Dec 14, 2016 19:23
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Mustached Demon posted:The tuna oven death from 2015 cost the company 6mil in total. 3mil went to fixing their poo poo, 1.5 to family, 750k each to attorney and a fine. I understand the venting, but senior management didn't meet the elements of a manslaughter charge and it would not be just to sentence them for it.
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ethanol posted:I want to know how you buy your own silo but not your own well equipped and knowledgeable team for inspecting said silo for horrible dangers Because you can buy a silo for relatively cheap, but the whole other bit of making it livable is incredibly expensive.
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ethanol posted:I want to know how you buy your own silo but not your own well equipped and knowledgeable team for inspecting said silo for horrible dangers I took a 500$ one-week class to get my 40-hour HAZWOPER training and it covered confined spaces in detail. People get mixed up and think of confined space rules as restrictive nanny-stating when in reality those places are so insanely and counter-intuitively dangerous that those regs are the bare minimum for any human being whatsoever, no matter their personal acceptance of risk, to get in and out with a reasonably good chance of not-dying. Like, "air-monitor on a pole" is step #1, before you even open the place up. Then you monitor as you go either continuously or at small set intervals. In the video's case they should have run air pumps to continuously replace all inside air, all the time, starting when they first opened the place. Humans have this assumption built in to our brains that as long as you're not underwater, you can breathe. That's normally true except for confined spaces where it turns out there is zero reason to assume the air is breathable enough to sustain life and/or not ignite in a fuel-air explosion.
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Uncle Enzo posted:I took a 500$ one-week class to get my 40-hour HAZWOPER training and it covered confined spaces in detail. People get mixed up and think of confined space rules as restrictive nanny-stating when in reality those places are so insanely and counter-intuitively dangerous that those regs are the bare minimum for any human being whatsoever, no matter their personal acceptance of risk, to get in and out with a reasonably good chance of not-dying.
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Dec 14, 2016 19:49
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Carecat posted:To be fair to the Comcast guy they aren't used to dealing with high speeds. 
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you irl posted:how do you "ignore" a lock out tag? cut it off and fire the machine up anyway? Maybe they had an emergency lock out key remover, a hydraulic device for use when there is emergency such as products being destroyed and the machine looks clear and there isn't time to find out why its been locked.
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Applebee123 posted:Maybe they had an emergency lock out key remover, a hydraulic device for use when there is emergency such as products being destroyed and the machine looks clear and there isn't time to find out why its been locked. LOTO deaths with ignored safeguards are the scariest because it involves a someone thinking twice and coming up with the conclusion that ignores the lock represents a human life.
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Uncle Enzo posted:I read recently about people exploring this hyper-radioactive ex-military site that was purposefully contaminated, making it vastly more dangerous than a nuke test site. Apparently every few years some urbex people go in there and are like "yup, still hideously dangerous". But even those people have the loving presence of mind to carry some meters with them so they know when to turn back, jesus. Sounds interesting, got a link?
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I don't get it, the people who wiped out were clearly driving too fast, and the people who didn't were fine. Not Comcast's fault that people can't drive.
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Dec 14, 2016 20:45
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"you're technically doing the wrong thing so i am blameless" as the guy whose car is in a ditch yells about a safety hazard while filming multiple people easily navigating said hazard
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Dec 14, 2016 21:28
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C'mon now, this is the OSHA thread, the blame is not one side or the other, it's everybody
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It probably wouldn't have been so hard to put out a few extra cones. That is maybe 30 seconds of extra work
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Yeah everyone is bad in that video. The drivers are going way too fast for the conditions and visibility. The workers could have put more cones out. Lol especially at that black pickup.
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“When I watched this video I was very concerned by what I saw,” says Ed Marchetti, SVP of Technical Operations, Comcast Cable, in a statement emailed to Consumerist. “Our employees should always protect people and treat them with respect no matter what the situation. Safety matters most – especially in dangerous weather conditions like this. “We are actively investigating what happened when our technicians were on site to restore services during an outage and we will reach out to those who were impacted by this incident. “Within the next 24-48 hours, my team leaders will meet with our technicians across our company to use this as an example of how important it is to make everyone’s safety a priority in everything we do. “And just as important, there’s no place for disrespect – treating people the right way is the only way to work.” Please tell us more about treating people the right way, Mr Comcast.
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He probably should have had the truck positioned to protect himself more from dumbfucks who can't see a big rear end work truck unless it has an 18" orange cone in front of it.  Edit: Yeah after watching more, gently caress dude filming. Comcast dude had multiple cones out and was doing what he was supposed to. Elmnt80 fucked around with this message at 22:11 on Dec 14, 2016 |
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He was probably there because someone already slid off the road and nailed the box. There's no difference between the truck and some random person stopped there waiting to turn left. Folks need to slow down.
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Boogalo posted:He was probably there because someone already slid off the road and nailed the box. There's no difference between the truck and some random person stopped there waiting to turn left. Folks need to slow down. I believe the comcast guy said thats exactly what happened. Those drivers are going way too fast for those conditions.
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corporate senior vp: "we are deeply concerned about safety and respect" local dispatch maintenance manager: "we've got 10k pissed off customers demanding compensation get it loving fixed already" blue collar guy repairing line in snow getting yelled at by angry yokel: "fuuuuck"
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spankmeister posted:Sounds interesting, got a link? Georgia Nuclear Aircraft Laboratory outside of Atlanta, used a 10MW unshielded reactor to irradiate test samples. All the nasty bits have long since been removed but there's enough neutron activation that in the remnants of the structures, you're according to some claims comfortably above background. I'm very skeptical of that, and in any event wouldn't go so far as to say "hideously dangerous," though. https://nuclearstreet.com/pro_nucle...raft-laboratory
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The MUTCD requirements are more than one cone for each additional 10 miles/hr. They should have a cone taper of nearly 300 feet. They should additionally have advanced warning signs even for temporary work. http://mutcd.fhwa.dot.gov/pdfs/2009/part6.pdf
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Ak Gara posted:I don't care if it's a work truck, a dead body in the road, or a car broken down. If you can't stop in time you're going too fast for the conditions of the road! That's as bad as people who outrun their headlights at night time. Or god forbid someone that has to take a left into their own driveway. BUT I NEED CONES TO LET ME KNOW I NEED TO SLOW DOWN ON ICE. [puts cone on as a hat] edit: as for the whole not enough cones thing: I'm willing to bet all the monies that if there were indeed plenty of cones in the proper spots, all of those retards would have still ended up in a ditch or up someones rear end. Professor of Cats fucked around with this message at 22:45 on Dec 14, 2016 |
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Neutrino posted:The MUTCD requirements are more than one cone for each additional 10 miles/hr. They should have a cone taper of nearly 300 feet. They should additionally have advanced warning signs even for temporary work. Lol if you think any cable company supplies their average techs with anything more than half a dozen cones. And thats not counting contractors working out of personal vehicles who are required to buy all their own safety equipment, meaning they have like 2 or 3 cones at most that they filched from a proper cable company truck, because gently caress paying out of pocket for that poo poo when you're charged $500+ for a single tool that is necessary to do your job. Basicly, what I'm saying is osha doesn't exist in the cable television industry for joe blow tech in the field.
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yeah, regardless of what the law actually is that has to be tempered by what the contractor is trained to do and what equipment he has. if his boss sent him out to fix wire without setting up flaggers, signs, or a police escort or whatever then those things aren't going to appear suddenly just because some dude who ran his car off the road is angry about it
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Bad drivers like to blame everyone but them selves. Drive for the conditions. If you can't see over the crest of a hill, assume there's a truck blocking the entire road or a tree fell down or what ever. Never go faster than you can see, never drive faster than you can safely stop without hitting what ever's in front of you. It's super easy, but people never do it and we get multiple-car pile ups. The only reason you should ever be able to rear-end a car is if they back into you.
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re: rust eating up the oxygen, tell me more about counter-intuitive confined spaces dangers
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Baronjutter posted:Bad drivers like to blame everyone but them selves. Drive for the conditions. If you can't see over the crest of a hill, assume there's a truck blocking the entire road or a tree fell down or what ever. Never go faster than you can see, never drive faster than you can safely stop without hitting what ever's in front of you. It's super easy, but people never do it and we get multiple-car pile ups. it's not even a hill really it's a slight rise in the terrain. google 8317 w morris st indianapolis and you'll be right on top of the "hill" in street view. if you're in a sedan your view might be blocked but if you're in a truck you can see over it. the google street view camera can see over it but iirc those things are like 6-7 feet off the ground boner confessor fucked around with this message at 23:13 on Dec 14, 2016 |
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A stubborn bonehead is working in unsafe conditions surrounded by a bunch of dangerous jackasses. The video should be in the OP.
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boner confessor posted:yeah, regardless of what the law actually is that has to be tempered by what the contractor is trained to do and what equipment he has. if his boss sent him out to fix wire without setting up flaggers, signs, or a police escort or whatever then those things aren't going to appear suddenly just because some dude who ran his car off the road is angry about it Lawsuits are won or lost depending on adherence to industry standards. Failure to follow well known national guidelines for workzone safety will pretty much open up Comcast to lots of indefensible litigation. I agree that all the drivers in the video were idiots but the Comcast workers were brazenly idiotic and should be fired on the spot. There is no cone rule like he stated - he was just a lazy lying gently caress.
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you irl posted:re: rust eating up the oxygen, tell me more about counter-intuitive confined spaces dangers I too would like to hear more about this.
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The famous example is entire male lines of farming families dying off chasing each other into the pig poo poo. It has all the basic ingredients for confined spaces training points. One guy is mucking out a shithole, or trying to grab something out of the shitlake and is overcome by SO2. He may have even thought ahead and has his son or brother watching. The watcher then chases them in and is overcome themselves, repeating until the whole family has tried it out and fallen in. Which highlights the basic pieces of confined space safety: you need basic mitigation for the worker, such as LOTO in the case of powered or piped equipment, and every best effort made to remove any hazards such as washing out equipment first, forced air movement, and testing for O2 and toxic gases. For something like a shitlake you'll need first line PPE like a facemask compatible with SO2 for example. Outside the immediate work area you need a watcher who can raise alarm if something bad happens and can monitor basic behavior but won't try to affect rescue and you need a rescue method involving people and equipment not related to the watcher or the worker such as tow lines. If rescue involves entering you basically need a hazwoper team suited up and standing by.
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