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hackbunny posted:joke's on you! it's already done and I'm doing a postmortem. last week I had five days off and I used them well 
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hackbunny posted:too late! I already have lines like these: hackbunny posted:last week I had five days off and I used them well
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hackbunny posted:do tell, by now I may even understand the commit under review is here. a lot of stuff is similar to what you or i have done but there are some neat tricks for dealing with types that have a deleted destructor
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Slurps Mad Rips posted:the commit under review is here. a lot of stuff is similar to what you or i have done but there are some neat tricks for dealing with types that have a deleted destructor  fhtagn
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leper khan posted:
There are probably people out there, to whom the least legible part are the __ugly names. 
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Slurps Mad Rips posted:the commit under review is here. a lot of stuff is similar to what you or i have done but there are some neat tricks for dealing with types that have a deleted destructor oh, macros. right. I literally forgot that I could use macros to avoid code duplication. I won't use macros! there will be duplication! and I give up trying to fully understand it. their implementation of visit seems awfully complicated though
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just discovered that java has unsigned integer support! https://blogs.oracle.com/darcy/entry/unsigned_api 
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welcome to java, where bytes are signed and chars are 16-bit and unsigned
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Dec 14, 2016 21:36
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is this better or worse than c where chars are signed, chars are unsigned, and chars are also just plain chars?
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Deep Dish Fuckfest posted:is this better or worse than c where chars are signed, chars are unsigned, and chars are also just plain chars? worse, because at least in c you can always say what you want and get it. writing any kind of byte-munging or crypto in java is painful. fortunately most of that kind of thing has already been written for you so it's not necessary very often.
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Dec 14, 2016 22:00
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signed byte is the worst. what a shocking bad idea
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Dec 14, 2016 22:02
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reading the apologia for java's lack of unsigned is always amusing. it basically always boils down to "well i don't need it" along with complaints that some nebulous form of "complexity" would be introduced.
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Dec 14, 2016 22:29
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i ain't gonna apologize for that poo poo, it's the worst thing about java by far
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sometimes you forget about the byte wankery in java but then it bites you in the rear end and you remember and get angry
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anyone who programs in java professionally is losing ground on the computer industry never program in java
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its bad imo
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carry on then posted:anyone who programs in java professionally is losing ground on the computer industry haha nope
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Dec 15, 2016 00:19
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carry on then posted:anyone who programs in java professionally is losing ground on the computer industry lol actually it's very good, for things that don't involve manipulating unsigned integers, which coincidentally is most things.
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Dec 15, 2016 00:23
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HappyHippo posted:just discovered that java has unsigned integer support! "the unsigned API support does not introduce new types like UnsignedInt with instance methods to perform addition, subtraction, etc. However, that lack of separate Java-level unsigned types does mean a programmer can accidentally improperly mix signed and unsigned values. However, new unsigned types aren't the only way to mitigate this hazard. For example, a naming convention of adding a trailing "U" or "_U" to variables holding unsigned values could be adopted." loving lmao, this can't be for real
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java is soul crushing
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redleader posted:"the unsigned API support does not introduce new types like UnsignedInt with instance methods to perform addition, subtraction, etc. However, that lack of separate Java-level unsigned types does mean a programmer can accidentally improperly mix signed and unsigned values. However, new unsigned types aren't the only way to mitigate this hazard. For example, a naming convention of adding a trailing "U" or "_U" to variables holding unsigned values could be adopted." the "good" thing about java is exactly how slowly it moves. note how nowhere in the article is said that the language will, in fact, change. the furthest the guy dares speculate is a proposed @Unsigned attribute
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MALE SHOEGAZE posted:java is soul crushing imo it's way more soul crushing to work on CADT driven javascript bullshit or trying to get poo poo done in cool languages with utterly miserable tool chains.
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Dec 15, 2016 00:36
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MALE SHOEGAZE posted:java is soul crushing I'm sorry the problems you work on are so boring that you have to make your work interesting and challenging by using fad languages and the latest half-finished reinvented wheels
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Dec 15, 2016 00:41
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Soricidus posted:I'm sorry the problems you work on are so boring that you have to make your work interesting and challenging by using fad languages and the latest half-finished reinvented wheels thanks, it really does suck
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Dec 15, 2016 00:42
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carry on then posted:anyone who programs in java professionally is losing ground on the computer industry aren't you the moron who likes go
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JewKiller 3000 posted:aren't you the moron who likes go me, pram, YES ON 69 (or something), and uncurably m'lady are the go apologists that i am aware of
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Dec 15, 2016 00:49
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don't apologise, just go
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just write c# or don't program at all tbh
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I'm always interested when people talk about Java being boring or Java being good. i'm not sure it's necessary for a language to both be interesting to work in and to be "good" for however you want to define the word i mean, it certainly seems plausible for whatever language to be good at developing correct and safe software while at the same time being boring and soul-crushing to work with, no?
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Soricidus posted:I'm sorry the problems you work on are so boring that you have to make your work interesting and challenging by using fad languages and the latest half-finished reinvented wheels I've heard of worse jobs 
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Dec 15, 2016 01:35
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Thermopyle posted:I'm always interested when people talk about Java being boring or Java being good. it's kind of like how exciting cars also tend to be expensive, unsafe, unreliable, and generally utterly impractical for everyday use. but with computers. I'll read about fun languages and maybe tinker with them in my spare time, but when there's real work to be done, you bet I'm gonna reach for the java
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yeah, in the programming language universe I associate the word "exciting" with things like "untested", "unstable", "quirky", "surprising", "not immediately transparently obvious" and "infuriating"
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Thermopyle posted:I'm always interested when people talk about Java being boring or Java being good. when i say java is soul crushing, i don't for a moment mean that it is bad. if someone came to me with a real problem to solve and i was interested in solving it quickly and correctly, I would choose java and be happy about it.
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triple sulk posted:just write c# or don't program at all tbh java is also acceptable, it's like c# circa 3.0.
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jony neuemonic posted:java is also acceptable not at all
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MALE SHOEGAZE posted:when i say java is soul crushing, i don't for a moment mean that it is bad. why don't you just say your jobs sucks friend
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jony neuemonic posted:java is also acceptable, it's like c# circa 3.0. C# circa 3.0 BC maybe
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java is actually cool and good. c# may be better but then you're a windows programmer and lol talk about a career limiting move
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JewKiller 3000 posted:java is actually cool and good. c# may be better but then you're a windows programmer and lol talk about a career limiting move .NET Core is actually coming along pretty swimmingly
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it's kind of crazy how go is literally two features (dependencies and generics) away from being usable and those are the two features they refuse to even consider
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