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That Berger won a race in the twilight of his career after missing two races in a Benetton is all you need to know about the depth of skill in the late 90s field
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Alain Post posted:I legitimately think the late 90s F1 field was secretly terrible but Schumi's accomplishments in his early career at Benetton clearly show his talent level It generally was quite poor and Schumacher was just so far ahead and then he got the car and the team to really dominate and well we saw what happened. On the flip side Adrian Newey made alot of average drivers WC because he was also so far ahead of most at that time. Think in that sky interview with Irvine a few years back he basically said if you wanted to be world champion you were either Michael Schumacher or drove an adrian newey car.
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Baron Corbyn posted:The greatest what if is how many times a race weekend Eddie Jordan would bring up Frentzen winning the championship in a Jordan had he managed it in 99. HHF was the Alain Post Driver Of The Year in 1999. Ralf Schumacher was 2nd.
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From 1995 to 2000 there really wasn't anybody who could touch Michael on skill alone. The guy who should have been his main rival died.
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1500quidporsche posted:That Berger won a race in the twilight of his career after missing two races in a Benetton is all you need to know about the depth of skill in the late 90s field Let's throw 1996 in here as well. Old/Older dudes from the 80s golden era were still very competitive.
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Looking for talent in the mid-90s leads down dark roads like "what if Karl Wendlinger hadn't nearly died" and "Olivier Panis was kinda good before his injury right"
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Dec 14, 2016 18:25
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We're firmly into "saying bad things about Mika" territory and I'm losing it folks I'm really losing it
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I like Mika but his performance in 1999 was so bizarre that I once listed it as one of the worst performances by a defending champion in F1 history despite the fact that he actually defended the title. Who the hell melts down against Eddie Irvine and HHF, seriously
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Dec 14, 2016 18:28
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The HHF thing is more surprising because it was a smallish British team with engines made in a shed in Shizuoka.
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Alain Post posted:Looking for talent in the mid-90s leads down dark roads like "what if Karl Wendlinger hadn't nearly died" and "Olivier Panis was kinda good before his injury right" JC Bouillion vanishing off the face of the earth after 1995.
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Alain Post posted:Who the hell melts down against Eddie Irvine and HHF, seriously
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Alain Post posted:I like Mika but his performance in 1999 was so bizarre that I once listed it as one of the worst performances by a defending champion in F1 history despite the fact that he actually defended the title. Who the hell melts down against Eddie Irvine and HHF, seriously Ask Lewis.
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Jochen Rindt did a better job defending his championship than Mika did in 99
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1500quidporsche posted:Jochen Rindt did a better job defending his championship than Mika did in 99 Bit stiff that
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Alain Post posted:Mika Alain Post posted:melts down You guys ever see your entire self suddenly explained in front of your eyes?
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iospace posted:Ask Lewis. That's not comparable. It would be like Lewis Melting down to Ricciardo and Sergio Perez.
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Ricciardo is too good it'd be like if Kvyat was a real title contender and Lewis looked like he was cracking under the pressure.
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Speaking of Red Bull, if they swapped Verstappen and Kyvat at the start of the year, do you think Max would have taken 4th in WDC instead of Seb?
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Mika also disgraced himself with his performance in the 1999 European GP.
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http://wtf1.co.uk/pastor-maldonado-expects-return-f1-grid-2017/ The return of Big Pastor?
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The biggest laugh in that article is the classification of Sauber as a midfield team.
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Funzo posted:http://wtf1.co.uk/pastor-maldonado-expects-return-f1-grid-2017/ How many people with super licenses without a ride said they're open to driving F1 this year? Rossi seems planted in Indy, same with Simon Pagenaud and Will Power (winning Indy gives you 40 points towards one, which enough to qualify for one, and Power has 50 points). Technically JPM qualified for one  , but he's done with open wheel except the 500.
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Which was the race where Schumi was stuck in fifth gear for pretty much the entire thing and still somehow managed to get on the podium? Was it Schumi? I know it was in the late 90s/early 2000s
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ShaneMacGowansTeeth posted:Which was the race where Schumi was stuck in fifth gear for pretty much the entire thing and still somehow managed to get on the podium? Was it Schumi? I know it was in the late 90s/early 2000s Spain 1994.
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You really don't see cars getting stuck in gear very much anymore.
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Human Grand Prix posted:You really don't see cars getting stuck in gear very much anymore. Usually because they retire them if they do, natch.
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Human Grand Prix posted:I do. He was obviously the best until he retarded.
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Alain Post posted:I like Mika but his performance in 1999 was so bizarre that I once listed it as one of the worst performances by a defending champion in F1 history despite the fact that he actually defended the title. Who the hell melts down against Eddie Irvine and HHF, seriously Frentzen was cool, and good.
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HHF should have amounted to more, I thought.
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Human Grand Prix posted:HHF should have amounted to more, I thought. The dude's basically Heidfeld with some wins.
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I went to a motorsport merchandise warehouse sale last weekend. They had F1 gear from around 2008 to current year. Got my friend an Alonso Ferrari hat, since he's a big Alonso and Ferrari fan, and I got myself a 2015 Red Bull jacket for half price.
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You Am I posted:I got myself a 2015 Red Bull jacket for half price. u paid 2 much
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Alain Post posted:Spain 1994. I was looking up some clips of this and a YouTube comment managed to get a "heh" out of me 
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I can't get enough of are Dan
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Alain Post posted:I've said it before too, but Villeneuve is really lucky Schumacher tried to wreck him like a dipshit at Jerez '97, because without that, everyone talks about how Schumacher nearly beat Villeneuve with a far shittier car Jacques Villeneuve almost threw away a championship in An Amazing Newey Car. Schumacher's lunge to get himself DQed from 1997 and inability to capitalize a few other places really made Jack look a whole lot better than he deserves to be remembered on the balance, and Williams that year too. Imagine if they still had Hill that year instead of garbageman HHF? (Reminder that Schumacher was literally Mr. Steal Yo Girl to HHF as well)
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Jacques Villeneuve owns and he's always right about everything he says
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The Alain Post Analysis of Mika Hakkinen + one of the best helmet designs of all time + almost died and then came back, which was cool + 2000 is a great effort considering that Ferrari and McLaren were close to parity by then - didn't win in forever and then his first two wins were arguably gifted to him - melted down against Eddie Irvine - repeating the fact that he nearly lost a title to Eddie Irvine, who had a worse car
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Alain Post posted:The Alain Post Analysis of Mika Hakkinen I always knew you were one of the good ones. This thread is now about our favorite helmets.
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Elio de Angelis, as a Simpson M30
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