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Captain_Maclaine posted:Yeah, how's about we all take a deep breath and see if we can discuss the DNC chair election without going full Arzy, at least this early on? Uh, dunno if you've been around the past month or two, but going full Arzy is probably the smart move over anything related to the Democrats. Ed: Quads
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Serf posted:has anything I've said thus far given you the impression that I am calm? cuz I'm like the opposite of calm, and I don't intend to calm down for the foreseeable future
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Tatum Girlparts posted:the factions at play aren't some nebulous 'ESTABLISHMENT' but rather Obama and his loyalists wanting his legacy to be discussed still I don't really see the distinction there paranoid randroid posted:well if Perez does get the nod then good news, thatll mean hes the one who will have people baying for his blood when 2018 does not turn out to be a massive blue wave election instead of Ellison I'd much rather we have Ellison, the guy with actual Midwest campaign experience, so that this doesn't happen because as I learned this year, I actually do not enjoy being right if it means Republicans winning elections
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paranoid randroid posted:well if Perez does get the nod then good news, thatll mean hes the one who will have people baying for his blood when 2018 does not turn out to be a massive blue wave election instead of Ellison lmao if you think the 2018 elections will go well it took us 6 years of Bush to get our poo poo together last time. but the GOP only needed 2 years of Obama lol
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calling baloogan to bring the ten commandments of lord of eternity trump to this thread
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Serf posted:lmao if you think the 2018 elections will go well really like 2 months for the tea party to absolutely dominate the public discourse for the next several years lmbo
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brb, becoming the Alex Jones of the left
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2018 is not going to be a happy midterm and im unsure how much Ellison alone can do to change that maybe if the GOP reallllly fucks up large in the next two years
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Serf posted:brb, becoming the Alex Jones of the left 
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I'm just still astounded that the week after Clinton lost the congressional Dems didn't come out and encourage everyone to organize independently and disrupt the sitting government at every opportunity. Kind of seems like the only moral thing to do if you believe a literal fascist is in power.
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loquacius posted:pretend I emptyquoted my earlier post about how this argument is missing the point because many of them have worked with him before in the obama white house and by all accounts he's very easy to work with and was good at all of the positions he was appointed to. because he has a very good relationship with labor, he's a personal friend with richard trumka, head of the afl-cio instead of going to big law after havard law school, he worked for the civil rights division of the doj. he has a real commitment to real racial justice that isn't "we need more black and hispanic CEOs" he would do the job full time, one of the major criticisms of Debbie Wasserman Schultz during her time as dnc chair was that it was a part-time job for her and only a week ago was when ellison finally said that he would resign from congress to do it
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paranoid randroid posted:maybe if the GOP reallllly fucks up large in the next two years Well have I got some good news for you, then.
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loquacius posted:I don't really see the distinction there because people act like there's some shadowy cabal of 'the establishment' who inherently hate any plucky little (veteran statesman with supporters like Chuck Schumer and the AFL-CIO) underdogs. In reality it's specific people who mainly just want people to keep talking about them
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RENEGADE CUCKSKY posted:your story about the painters union wanting 2 SUVs and $100,000 sounds like a Jimmy Hoffa is in my backyard conspiracy theory, sorry champ You know in many county's across the country sheriff's are elected right?
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Captain_Maclaine posted:Well have I got some good news for you, then. no i mean i mean above-and-beyond their usual fuckups. they have to basically condense six years of GWB into two for 2018 to start looking particularly rosy for the dems
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ate poo poo on live tv posted:You know in many county's across the country sheriff's are elected right?  friggin huge if true
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paranoid randroid posted:You Are All Deranged Lol
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I think it is best Perez threw his hat in the ring now so that should Ellison fail, there's Perez there. Also pretty sure Ellison plans to talk to the guy when he's chair.
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Serf posted:has anything I've said thus far given you the impression that I am calm? cuz I'm like the opposite of calm, and I don't intend to calm down for the foreseeable future that's not healthy or useful
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RENEGADE CUCKSKY posted:
So I just let you know something, so what's your point? Is it that
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paranoid randroid posted:like to be perfectly clear, supporting Ellison over Perez is not the problem The disconnect seems to center on not understanding how extraordinary Obama is on many levels.
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NumberLast posted:Never stop being angry. 
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Yeah, 2018 will probably be more about racking up governorships, state offices and house seats while running damage control on the Senate. It's far from hopeless, and I'm not about to give up. I'm stuck with Holcomb for a while in Indiana, but seeing some of my northern neighbors shrug off their Republican governors would warm my heart a little. Even if we don't take the House in 2018, which is still unlikely, we can at least put on a show of force and position ourselves for a possible takeover in 2020.
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ate poo poo on live tv posted:So I just let you know something, so what's your point? it's because union corruption isn't actually a problem on any measurable scale, despite you diarrheaing out arguments to the contrary
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paranoid randroid posted:no i mean i mean above-and-beyond their usual fuckups. they have to basically condense six years of GWB into two for 2018 to start looking particularly rosy for the dems Given his cabinet picks alone, I stand by my statement. 
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What people are arguing in this thread: Tom Perez is running as a factional bid to retain control of the DNC structure for the current power brokers/players and him defeating Keith Ellison would signal that the democratic party is rejecting the concept that the changes that need to be made are structural and idealogicial, versus technical. How opponents of this argument are framing that: Obama's evil secret neo-liberal conspiracy is out to get Bernie Sanders and bring in 10,000 years of rule under Goldman Sachs.
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Zikan posted:because many of them have worked with him before in the obama white house and by all accounts he's very easy to work with and was good at all of the positions he was appointed to. I'm sure he's a great guy, there are just plenty of other jobs he can do and the only reason they want him to do this one is because of who run barter town Tatum Girlparts posted:because people act like there's some shadowy cabal of 'the establishment' who inherently hate any plucky little (veteran statesman with supporters like Chuck Schumer and the AFL-CIO) underdogs. In reality it's specific people who mainly just want people to keep talking about them Again, I don't really see a distinction here. Ego isn't really that much better of a deciding factor than malice. If a decision like this comes down to the egos of a few Very Important People, the implications for the future are bad.
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paranoid randroid posted:no i mean i mean above-and-beyond their usual fuckups. they have to basically condense six years of GWB into two for 2018 to start looking particularly rosy for the dems If they trash Medicare then I think they succeed at that
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Like, maybe, just maybe, one of the major problems beyond Hillary being awful in various ways is that unless and until you throw someone as miraculous as Barack Obama at it, Democrats, not Republicans, are demographically hosed and not in line with the electoral-majority viewpoint. (Electoral being a key word there.)
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Ace of Baes posted:What people are arguing in this thread: Tom Perez is running as a factional bid to retain control of the DNC structure for the current power brokers/players and him defeating Keith Ellison would signal that the democratic party is rejecting the concept that the changes that need to be made are structural and idealogicial, versus technical. Strawmen? In the Democrat thread? (It's more likely than you think!)
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Captain_Maclaine posted:Given his cabinet picks alone, I stand by my statement. I hope we get Operation Bite 2.0 so Sy Hersh can be vindicated at last (not really i dont actually hope this at all)
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NumberLast posted:Never stop being angry. Drive angry
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SHY NUDIST GRRL posted:Drive angry shot in 3d
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paranoid randroid posted:I hope we get Operation Bite 2.0 so Sy Hersh can be vindicated at last Trump is going to pardon Robert Durst
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SHY NUDIST GRRL posted:Drive angry https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GRZNLNkxgIg
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SHY NUDIST GRRL posted:Drive angry Unironically good movie. Almost as good as The Wachowskis' Speed Racer.
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RENEGADE CUCKSKY posted:it's because union corruption isn't actually a problem on any measurable scale, despite you diarrheaing out arguments to the contrary glad to know that unions are in a healthy state in this country and that public anti-union sentiment is actually from republican mind-control and not anything union leadership has done. Anyway, hopefully Wildcat Strikes come back.
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