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WampaLord
Jan 14, 2010

Khorne posted:

I don't see any nihilism in her post. Just a depressed person. Nihilism has nothing to do with optimism or pessimism.

I dunno, I can't picture an optimistic nihilist.

Ignis posted:

New update on the brocest girl



The plot thickens!

Considering the bulk of Reddit's advice was "go for it!" this should be hilarious.

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loquacius
Oct 21, 2008

say what you will about the tenets of open relationships, Dude, at least it's an ethos

extra stout
Feb 24, 2005

ISILDUR's ERR

Josef bugman posted:

I don't know why but this has me crying with laughter.

is it from civ V? because i bought it from a goon for 5 bucks and i cannot figure out how to enjoy this fuckin game, someone tell me how many hours until it plays like wc3

Fried Watermelon
Dec 29, 2008


Lawyers and that crowd charge by the hour so it makes "sense" to work 100 weeks

boner confessor
Apr 25, 2013

by R. Guyovich

WampaLord posted:

I dunno, I can't picture an optimistic nihilist.

nihilism, specifically existential nihilism which is what most people are talking about when they just say nihilism, is the idea that life is ultimately pointless. from there if you get all sadbrains and watch anime reruns constantly or shrug your shoulders and go on living the life you want to live without the expectation of reward, higher meaning, or some kind of external satisfaction aside from the pleasure you personally derived in that moment, is up to you. happy nihilists don't go around moping and whining about everything being pointless

this is the same reason why people associate atheists with hating christianity. atheists who don't hate christianity or other organized religions generally don't go around talking about atheism as frequently, they just live their lives

boner confessor fucked around with this message at 23:32 on Dec 14, 2016

Theokotos
Jan 22, 2015

Fallen Rib
"The Happy Nihilist" is either a great user name or novel title. Self help book? Cook book!?

Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Dec 22, 2005

GET LOSE, YOU CAN'T COMPARE WITH MY POWERS
I bet she called biodad, and he told people.

the bitcoin of weed
Nov 1, 2014

boner confessor posted:

go on living the life you want to live without the expectation of reward, higher meaning, or some kind of external satisfaction aside from the pleasure you personally derived in that moment, is up to you. happy nihilists don't go around moping and whining about everything being pointless


woah I didn't know I was a nihilist

54 40 or fuck
Jan 4, 2012

No Yanda's allowed
I thought the true point of nihilism was being freed by there not being some outside force that dictates the universe. As in, I thought it was a positive thing because it was something that allows you to to live without the burden of constantly wondering how he universe functions and whatnot.

But hey then again my sad brains brother in law has latched on all the nihilist memes that are basically just about depression and suicide

E: beaten

boner confessor
Apr 25, 2013

by R. Guyovich

Fullhouse posted:

woah I didn't know I was a nihilist

a lot of people don't because they're not looking for excuses to sit around waiting for their life to get magically better. "oh when the revolution comes, america is made great again, and anime is real i will sieze my true destiny as a hard working and charming pussy crusher but woe is me, life is pointless so i cannot do that right now". basically if you agree with the statement that life is short and then you die, game over, no moral then congrats you're a nihilist


54 40 or gently caress posted:

I thought the true point of nihilism was being freed by there not being some outside force that dictates the universe. As in, I thought it was a positive thing because it was something that allows you to to live without the burden of constantly wondering how he universe functions and whatnot.

yep. "there's no meaning to life, quit worrying about it and just go live your life the way you want to" and there's no actual expectation that you're supposed to be all sad about this idea versus liberated from the expectation that you have to live a life of hardship to make god happy or whatever. you can do what you want, it's your life and the clock is ticking

sincx
Jul 13, 2012

furiously masturbating to anime titties

MF_James posted:

Yeah, I can't believe no one brought this up, reddit is down with the incest apparently.

I bet there are lots of people projecting their anime fantasies onto that thread.

I Was The Fury
Oct 19, 2012

Always stop to smell the flowers, just in case they're weeds

I think for a lot of people, nihilism is depressing because they had never considered the fact that they don't matter and never have, their actions don't matter and never have, and their social interactions don't matter and never have. Then they come to the conclusion that all of these things and everything else will amount to nothing at all, ever. This is upsetting to people for some reason.

CharlestheHammer
Jun 26, 2011

YOU SAY MY POSTS ARE THE RAVINGS OF THE DUMBEST PERSON ON GOD'S GREEN EARTH BUT YOU YOURSELF ARE READING THEM. CURIOUS!

I Was The Fury posted:

I think for a lot of people, nihilism is depressing because they had never considered the fact that they don't matter and never have, their actions don't matter and never have, and their social interactions don't matter and never have. Then they come to the conclusion that all of these things and everything else will amount to nothing at all, ever. This is upsetting to people for some reason.

Yeah this is basically how it goes but leave it to goons to be unable to understand that simple poo poo.

boner confessor
Apr 25, 2013

by R. Guyovich

I Was The Fury posted:

I think for a lot of people, nihilism is depressing because they had never considered the fact that they don't matter and never have, their actions don't matter and never have, and their social interactions don't matter and never have. Then they come to the conclusion that all of these things and everything else will amount to nothing at all, ever. This is upsetting to people for some reason.

for some people maybe, because there's still this idea very prevalent in the western world at least that your good behavior and adherence to religious doctrine can be cashed in for fabulous eternal rewards later. this is why some people purposely mix up existential nihilism and moral nihilism, and get real freaked out that "if god won't call you to heaven for good works then what is the point of being good? why not just murder people if hell doesn't exist" because some folks really need some external structure and order for their lives to make sense

but dude in the story was totally just latching on to nihilism as a plausible sounding excuse for why it's ok for him to mope around the house. i mean if that's how you want to spend your short existence then go for it i guess but it's not noble or smart to do so, it's just lazy and sad

Frog Act
Feb 10, 2012



simone de beauvoir taught my that nihilism is actually all about being a decent person

ravenkult
Feb 3, 2011


I thought nihilists where all about cutting off your johnson?

Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Dec 22, 2005

GET LOSE, YOU CAN'T COMPARE WITH MY POWERS

ravenkult posted:

I thought nihilists where all about cutting off your johnson?

at least that's an ethos

CharlestheHammer
Jun 26, 2011

YOU SAY MY POSTS ARE THE RAVINGS OF THE DUMBEST PERSON ON GOD'S GREEN EARTH BUT YOU YOURSELF ARE READING THEM. CURIOUS!

boner confessor posted:

for some people maybe, because there's still this idea very prevalent in the western world at least that your good behavior and adherence to religious doctrine can be cashed in for fabulous eternal rewards later. this is why some people purposely mix up existential nihilism and moral nihilism, and get real freaked out that "if god won't call you to heaven for good works then what is the point of being good? why not just murder people if hell doesn't exist" because some folks really need some external structure and order for their lives to make sense

but dude in the story was totally just latching on to nihilism as a plausible sounding excuse for why it's ok for him to mope around the house. i mean if that's how you want to spend your short existence then go for it i guess but it's not noble or smart to do so, it's just lazy and sad

So you don't understand depression at all huh?

boner confessor
Apr 25, 2013

by R. Guyovich

CharlestheHammer posted:

So you don't understand depression at all huh?

dude's going to be a sadbrains whether or not he excuses it with existential philsophy telling him why therapy is ultimately pointless or demons telling him therapy is a trick of the devil. the reason the nihilism excuse is so popular is that it works - it's clearly confused the girlfriend, who accepts her boyfriend's identity as a troubled intellectual rather than just a depressed guy having depressed thoughts

CharlestheHammer
Jun 26, 2011

YOU SAY MY POSTS ARE THE RAVINGS OF THE DUMBEST PERSON ON GOD'S GREEN EARTH BUT YOU YOURSELF ARE READING THEM. CURIOUS!

boner confessor posted:

dude's going to be a sadbrains whether or not he excuses it with existential philsophy telling him why therapy is ultimately pointless or demons telling him therapy is a trick of the devil. the reason the nihilism excuse is so popular is that it's clearly confused the girlfriend, who accepts her boyfriend's identity as a troubled intellectual rather than just a depressed guy having depressed thoughts

You could have just said yeah I really don't.

I don't know why you seem to hate this guy, going so far as to make poo poo up just to hate him more.

hawowanlawow
Jul 27, 2009

"excuses for depression"

"waits for his life to get magically better"

classic dickhead buzz speak. I'm waiting for him to share his inspiring life story

Earwicker
Jan 6, 2003

I Was The Fury posted:

I think for a lot of people, nihilism is depressing because they had never considered the fact that they don't matter and never have, their actions don't matter and never have, and their social interactions don't matter and never have.

There is a difference between "existence has no greater purpose or meaning" and "your actions don't matter and never have". Your actions still have an effect in the world even if the world does not have a "meaning".

Pvt.Scott
Feb 16, 2007

What God wants, God gets, God help us all
I'm pretty much a positive, optimistic nihilist these days. It's actually relieving to know that outside of my brief moments available on this earth, I'll have little impact outside those I know and love. There's no burden to perform, so I can be free to do the best I can.

boner confessor
Apr 25, 2013

by R. Guyovich

Hot Smart ARYAN Girl posted:

"excuses for depression"

"waits for his life to get magically better"

classic dickhead buzz speak. I'm waiting for him to share his inspiring life story

i mean, the guy is self sabotaging by quitting therapy in favor of complaining via memes on the internet. people rationalize all kinds of bad behavior like "it's pointless for me to address my mental illness which i know i have head on because nothing matters" because displacing your life problems onto a philosophy outside of your control is oddly not nihilistic actually now that i think about it lol

and yeah the guy is waiting for a magic reality to fix his life. he's waiting for communism to displace the capitalist system which is holding him down. surely he wouldn't be such a self destructive lump if bernie-sama had won the presidency

boner confessor fucked around with this message at 01:08 on Dec 15, 2016

I Was The Fury
Oct 19, 2012

Always stop to smell the flowers, just in case they're weeds

Earwicker posted:

There is a difference between "existence has no greater purpose or meaning" and "your actions don't matter and never have". Your actions still have an effect in the world even if the world does not have a "meaning".

Yeah I get that, but ive had trouble in the past seperating them and some other people dont seek out the treatment that has helped me do exactly that. It's easy to go from "existence has no meaning" to "MY existence has no meaning" to "my existence, due to a lack of meaning, does not matter" and so on.

Healthy brains probably don't make that leap very often, but in my experience with depression it isn't exactly a hard jump to make when you aren't actively fighting it.

MF_James
May 8, 2008
I CANNOT HANDLE BEING CALLED OUT ON MY DUMBASS OPINIONS ABOUT ANTI-VIRUS AND SECURITY. I REALLY LIKE TO THINK THAT I KNOW THINGS HERE

INSTEAD I AM GOING TO WHINE ABOUT IT IN OTHER THREADS SO MY OPINION CAN FEEL VALIDATED IN AN ECHO CHAMBER I LIKE

I Was The Fury posted:

Yeah I get that, but ive had trouble in the past seperating them and some other people dont seek out the treatment that has helped me do exactly that. It's easy to go from "existence has no meaning" to "MY existence has no meaning" to "my existence, due to a lack of meaning, does not matter" and so on.

Healthy brains probably don't make that leap very often, but in my experience with depression it isn't exactly a hard jump to make when you aren't actively fighting it.

Healthy people do make those leaps, but they do not get hung up on them and move past it rather than dwell on it in a never ending cycle of despair.

Lunchmeat Larry
Nov 3, 2012

boner confessor posted:



and yeah the guy is waiting for a magic reality to fix his life. he's waiting for communism to displace the capitalist system which is holding him down. surely he wouldn't be such a self destructive lump if bernie-sama had won the presidency
that is not a magic reality but is in fact the inevitable end result of capitalism collapsing under its own inner contradictions

Improbable Lobster
Jan 6, 2012

"From each according to his ability" said Ares. It sounded like a quotation.
Buglord
Regardless of the current awful reality of modern politics collapsing into nihilistic despair isn't going to help your depression

Marijuana Nihilist
Aug 27, 2015

by Smythe

Theokotos posted:

"The Happy Nihilist" is either a great user name or novel title. Self help book? Cook book!?

that doesn't sound like such a great user name

loquacius
Oct 21, 2008

Socialism is great, and Bernie is both cool and good, but yeah I have noticed an unusually high likelihood for hardcore Soviet-style communists to also coincidentally be white people in their 20s whose parents pay their rent

all "I shouldn't have to get a job because the system is evil *calls parents to ask for more anime money*"

MF_James
May 8, 2008
I CANNOT HANDLE BEING CALLED OUT ON MY DUMBASS OPINIONS ABOUT ANTI-VIRUS AND SECURITY. I REALLY LIKE TO THINK THAT I KNOW THINGS HERE

INSTEAD I AM GOING TO WHINE ABOUT IT IN OTHER THREADS SO MY OPINION CAN FEEL VALIDATED IN AN ECHO CHAMBER I LIKE

loquacius posted:

Socialism is great, and Bernie is both cool and good, but yeah I have noticed an unusually high likelihood for hardcore Soviet-style communists to also coincidentally be white people in their 20s whose parents pay their rent

all "I shouldn't have to get a job because the system is evil *calls parents to ask for more anime money*"

lol at the people that think communism (or socialism) means they don't have to work. You do have to work lazy moocher, EVERYONE works, that's part of the philosophy.

Earwicker
Jan 6, 2003

the inevitable collapse of capitalism is very unlikely to "fix your life", especially if you have depression. entirely regardless of what replaces it.

Troposphere
Jul 11, 2005


psycho killer
qu'est-ce que c'est?
I think I liked the temp derail better tbh

MF_James
May 8, 2008
I CANNOT HANDLE BEING CALLED OUT ON MY DUMBASS OPINIONS ABOUT ANTI-VIRUS AND SECURITY. I REALLY LIKE TO THINK THAT I KNOW THINGS HERE

INSTEAD I AM GOING TO WHINE ABOUT IT IN OTHER THREADS SO MY OPINION CAN FEEL VALIDATED IN AN ECHO CHAMBER I LIKE

Earwicker posted:

the inevitable collapse of capitalism is very unlikely to "fix your life", especially if you have depression. entirely regardless of what replaces it.

Also, I feel like people forget that, when a major system collapses, there is a lot of chaos and turmoil until a new system takes its place. Countries that go through violent and bloody revolution, not only do they have the revolution, but years of hosed up poo poo they need to work through while things settle down and the Winner puts down the dissenters.

CharlestheHammer
Jun 26, 2011

YOU SAY MY POSTS ARE THE RAVINGS OF THE DUMBEST PERSON ON GOD'S GREEN EARTH BUT YOU YOURSELF ARE READING THEM. CURIOUS!

Troposphere posted:

I think I liked the temp derail better tbh

It's better than the project our own failings on random depressed guy yeah.

Pvt.Scott
Feb 16, 2007

What God wants, God gets, God help us all
I can overshare another painful anecdote from my past if that would help...

Tender Bender
Sep 17, 2004

MF_James posted:

lol at the people that think communism (or socialism) means they don't have to work. You do have to work lazy moocher, EVERYONE works, that's part of the philosophy.

Yeah people actually think this and it's why we got Candidate Hillary and President Trump.

LethalGeek
Nov 4, 2009

My attempt to put an end to everyone feeling like any of us give a poo poo what you think about your place in the universe:

quote:

My (22/f) boyfriend (26/m) has a hard time saying no to his sister(32/f). I don't know if I want to live like this forever. What should I do?
My boyfriend and I have been together for 2 years and are planning to get engaged soon. We are really excited. Him and his sister are sort of close which is great! They also live 30 mins away from each which is also great and I have no problem with that, I am a family girl myself. I am glad they talk and have a relationship.

The problem I have is that his sister is always butting into the stuff we do and my boyfriend says he can't say no to her, and it is bothering me. She's a nice girl when she wants to be, but she has a very strong personality and can be very very hard to get along with, even her mom told me she has a hard time getting along with her.

Every time I am over his house (which is 3-4 times a week) she calls, it's like she knows I'm over. When he tells her he's with me doing something, she will keep talking to him for like 45 Mins and he can't tell her he has to go. I have no problem with them talking on the phone at all, but 45-50 mins every single time I'm over is a lot. I don't say anything and I try to let it go because it's family. If she calls and my boyfriend says we are going to do something fun or have one-on-one time, like taking a short road trip or going on a corn maze then she will ask to come along and he will always say yes. I talked to him about it today and he said he feels bad and he can't say no to her.

I've been starting to think about our future and I don't know if I want to live like this forever. We are planning to move in a few years after we get married, but untill then, his sister will always wants to be involved and he will always say yes. It's a touchy subject for us and I dont know what to do. I Love him and It sounds stupid but should I break it off and find someone who has a back bone and can say no?

TL;DR My boyfriend can't say no to his sister and it driving me crazy. Is it bad to say this deal breaker?

Waterbed Wendy
Jan 29, 2009

extra stout posted:

is it from civ V? because i bought it from a goon for 5 bucks and i cannot figure out how to enjoy this fuckin game, someone tell me how many hours until it plays like wc3

Yeah, it's from Civ. An ip i both love and hate. Why is Genghis Khan always so gently caress mad at meeeeeeeeee

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Jazz Police
Nov 6, 2009

It's your fault, man.
Accidental incest girl updated:

quote:

WELP. Things kind of suck worse than ever. Because the vast majority of you were so supportive, we decided to tell his mom and stepmom. It went horribly. They disowned him and cut him off; which is a huge loving problem since they were paying for a portion of our apartment.

The way they reacted was just a taste of how we feel others will respond, so we've decided to break up. However, before we cancel our wedding plans outright, we are going to speak to our father and take a DNA test. Thank you to everyone for their support and kindness ... I just wish things had had a more positive end. This entire situation is just hosed.

I need another nap.

Maybe should've taken the DNA test before assuming his mom would share a reaction with a bunch of internet shut-ins.

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