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he stays dead, peter becomes scarlet spider and moves to texas (or wherever it was that kaine was living) when his business collapses. miles is tragically killed in an accident and ganke becomes the new spider-man
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The most roundabout way to dispose a minority.
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Gaz-L posted:Huh? Both Wasps are around now, though? Am I missing something? Yeah, that's what I meant. Bendis had killed Janet back early in his Avengers run, then in the final issues four years ago he brings her back rather suddenly, thus putting the toys back where they were.
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ArmyOfMidgets posted:Yeah, that's what I meant. Bendis had killed Janet back early in his Avengers run, then in the final issues four years ago he brings her back rather suddenly, thus putting the toys back where they were. She didn't die until Secret Invasion which was four years into his run on New Avengers and pretty much halfway through his Avengers run overall. His resurrection of the Vision was far more awkward. Vision did die in his first Avengers story and then in that same final arc Tony is like "Surprise! It's the Vision! I totally fixed him in the basement when nobody was looking!"
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Rubiks Pubes posted:How do you pronounce Ganke? Gahn-kay, I think?
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professional rapper ganke west but no apparently it's this http://brianmichaelbendis.tumblr.com/post/49966956563/how-do-you-pronounce-ganke can't wait for my ganke to evolve into primape
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ImpAtom posted:It really doesn't make a lot of sense. slott.txt
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Manatee Cannon posted:speaking of the film, I saw the trailer recently and it looks good. hosed up of peter to steal ganke from miles tho I can't stand comic movies - any of them, any universe - where the first drat thing that happens to the protagonist is their secret identity gets tossed right out the window. Either through "investigation" or them straight-up confessing.
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Ferrule posted:I can't stand comic movies - any of them, any universe - where the first drat thing that happens to the protagonist is their secret identity gets tossed right out the window. If they're playing it like it was with Miles, they share a dormitory together, kind hard to keep your identity secret from someone you sleep in the same room as every night.
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Dec 14, 2016 21:01
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Skwirl posted:If they're playing it like it was with Miles, they share a dormitory together, kind hard to keep your identity secret from someone you sleep in the same room as every night. First goddman thing about Spider-man is his spider-sense warns him when his identity is going to be discovered.
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Keeping your secret identity from friends is dumb and a source of forced-rear end drama. There is a reason that even heroes with secret identities have done away with it.
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Ferrule posted:First goddman thing about Spider-man is his spider-sense warns him when his identity is going to be discovered. Yeah, and when he's in class and Ganke is digging through his stuff to find the porn they shoplifted together and instead finds web-shooters and a costume.
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the miles/ganke dynamic is good and it'll probably still be good in the movie, even if it's peter parker and ned leeds instead this movie kinda feels like it was supposed to be about miles until someone decided it should be about peter at the last second to me, but I like both of them so whatever. having it be about miles and then making peter a teacher at the school could have given them both spider-men at once tho, which would have been cool. maybe they just made it peter so they could bring him in for his cameo in captain america 3?
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ImpAtom posted:Keeping your secret identity from friends is dumb and a source of forced-rear end drama. There is a reason that even heroes with secret identities have done away with it. Spider-man is specifically the character who gets the most out of having a secret identity and doing away with that part of his character in an adaptation is just as silly as doing away with the whole uncle ben thing, imo.
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both spider-men have a secret identity but both of them also have people that know who they are he can keep it a secret from everyone but his friend ned 'ganke' leeds. I don't see why this is a problem
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Lurdiak posted:Spider-man is specifically the character who gets the most out of having a secret identity and doing away with that part of his character in an adaptation is just as silly as doing away with the whole uncle ben thing, imo. He isn't doing away with the secret identity thing though? He has people who know his secret identity, it isn't the same thing. I mean any modern Spider-Man is at least somewhat inspired by Ultimate and Ultimate had Peter's friends find out his identity relatively quickly too. Like yeah, Peter's secret identity meaning he is untrusted/a menace/ect is a central part of the character. Peter refusing to tell his best friend/love interest/ect who he is is just Forced Drama. Edit: Look at this fundamental destruction of the concept of Spider-Man!! 
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Spider-Man's identity has rarely been 100% secure. Times when nobody has known who he is are very few and very short. There's been somebody who's known who he is since, what... Romita-era Green Goblin?
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Lobok posted:Spider-Man's identity has rarely been 100% secure. Times when nobody has known who he is are very few and very short. There's been somebody who's known who he is since, what... Romita-era Green Goblin? Hell, as per Parallel Lives, MJ knew all along. Speaking of Conway's Spider-Mans, Renew Your Vows continues to be excellent.
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Manatee Cannon posted:the miles/ganke dynamic is good and it'll probably still be good in the movie, even if it's peter parker and ned leeds instead Peter Parker is the most recognizable comic book name behind Clark Kent and Bruce Wayne, so we likely won't see Miles in a movie until there's a Peter Spider-Man that sticks. It was probably a conscious choice to use the newer and less buried in continuity Miles origin and stick in Peter. Also, the cynical explanation of Peter being white, which produces still feel is a safer bet. Black Panther is the first non-white Marvel hero with his own movie, isn't he? And he's not even African-American.
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Yvonmukluk posted:Hell, as per Parallel Lives, MJ knew all along. Yeah, with the retcon it's been since Day 1 but I mean from the experience of readers following along in real time it's still pretty early that someone finds out.
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Poor Miserable Gurgi posted:Peter Parker is the most recognizable comic book name behind Clark Kent and Bruce Wayne, so we likely won't see Miles in a movie until there's a Peter Spider-Man that sticks. It was probably a conscious choice to use the newer and less buried in continuity Miles origin and stick in Peter. Also, the cynical explanation of Peter being white, which produces still feel is a safer bet. Black Panther is the first non-white Marvel hero with his own movie, isn't he? And he's not even African-American. Blade
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Skwirl posted:Blade Oh, fair enough, though that wasn't the MCU.
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Rhyno posted:Kind of hard to be when the concept didn't even exist. I know. But it was easier for Blade to be made when comic book movies were barely a subgenre and it was sold more as a vampire action movie. Once a bunch of money and big studios got behind them, it took a while for minority heroes to get their own films again. That's not meant to start a whole 'Hollywood is racist' derail. It's just how it is, and why a Miles movie would be really unlikely when they still haven't made Peter Parker part of the MCU.
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They coulda split the difference and made Peter mixed race, like his mom was black and his dad was white so his family structure is still exactly the same but he isn't yet another white character. Just super sayin'.
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they should have made it literally miles but named peter 'parker' morales
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It woulda been great to see all the racists who insist they only dislike Miles because he's replacing Peter freak out over a black Peter.
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are people losing their minds over mj in the movie or are they cool with it
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They changed Mary Jane up, though. I only dislike the change because I feel that gingers are severely underrepresented in media.
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Manatee Cannon posted:are people losing their minds over mj in the movie or are they cool with it Some people are losing their mind but others are like "they never said she's MJ! She's not MJ!"
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still amazing that they casted emma stone for the female lead in a spider-man movie, then had it be gwen stacey lolImpAtom posted:Some people are losing their mind but others are like "they never said she's MJ! She's not MJ!" o really? I thought they said it was her in the trailer but I must have misremembered
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Manatee Cannon posted:still amazing that they casted emma stone for the female lead in a spider-man movie, then had it be gwen stacey lol Why's that weird?
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Lurdiak posted:Why's that weird? Emma Stone is a natural redhead. Kirsten Dunst is a blond.
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it was like the perfect mj casting and yea they chose the redhead for the blonde and the blonde for the redhead. it's just funny to me, idk
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Oh, that is pretty funny. I always lament how poorly the Raimi movies used MJ. Even though they're 2 and a half great movies that capture the spirit of the Romita era Spider-man perfectly, they manage to make the love interest character more one-dimensional and unlikeable than Stan Lee's 60s sexism ever could. For the longest time I just thought Kirsten Dunst was a terrible actress, until I saw her in other stuff. Turns out her role as MJ had nothing for her to work with.
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Lurdiak posted:It woulda been great to see all the racists who insist they only dislike Miles because he's replacing Peter freak out over a black Peter. We already saw that when Donald Glover wanted to be Peter Parker before they cast Andrew Garfield.
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Lurdiak posted:Turns out her role as MJ had nothing for her to work with. This is like 90% of the roles offered to women, and then something like Fury Road comes along and you have a bunch of complaints about the focus spent on Academy Award winner Charlize Theron.
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Manatee Cannon posted:it was like the perfect mj casting They cast Bryce Dallas Howard as Gwen in Rami's third movie and she is a natural red head too.
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Skwirl posted:Blade Technically (although this was a change made for the movie) Blade is British. Or if he was filling out the census form White/Black British.
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