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Cojawfee posted:I haven't read the book but I'm guessing they replaced the book with films. The show is about people finding films that show an alternate history. Which honestly, makes more sense than a book. They changed a lot more than that from the book, but it's for the best. One of the larger changes is that Frank and Julianna don't interact in the book. The book is really three vignettes that don't cross other than the fact that everyone is reading The Grasshopper Lies Heavy.
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Cojawfee posted:I haven't read the book but I'm guessing they replaced the book with films. The show is about people finding films that show an alternate history. Which honestly, makes more sense than a book. It probably does, and it especially makes more sense to make it a film if the viewer is watching a TV show. The book makes more meta-sense if you're reading a book. (Insert Pimp My Ride reference here). bull3964 posted:They changed a lot more than that from the book, but it's for the best. One of the larger changes is that Frank and Julianna don't interact in the book. I'm fine with that. Like I said, I'm not one of those grognards that wants all TV/film adaptations to slavishly recreate the books they're based on. Making the stories interact a bit more is probably necessary to make it coherent as a TV series.
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But why would someone believe a book is evidence of an alternate history? If I saw a video of FDR curb stomping Hitler (in the 1950s no less), I would think "whoa, how does this exist? Is it real? What's going on here?" If I saw a book that said "actually the allies won and Hitler stinks," I would think "if only, also that person is at risk of being killed."
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Cojawfee posted:But why would someone believe a book is evidence of an alternate history? If I saw a video of FDR curb stomping Hitler (in the 1950s no less), I would think "whoa, how does this exist? Is it real? What's going on here?" If I saw a book that said "actually the allies won and Hitler stinks," I would think "if only, also that person is at risk of being killed." It's not literal evidence, as has more to do with ideas about the I Ching and permutations of reality that permeate the book. Basically, Philip D. Dick was interested in the idea of the I Ching in particular as a method of expressing fracturing realities, and the underlying philosophy of it bleeds through into the setting because the book is set in the Japanese-controlled west coast, where some Chinese stuff that they have co-opted have become popular. So to the characters, it's more like: "This book depicts another version of events, which squares with this idea about the I Ching I've heard so much about." To them, it is as real as something can get without being literally right in front of them. The characters are more willing to take a wider view of it because of the culture, but it isn't literal. It's... hard to explain. it sounds like a cop-out to say it, but you should really just read it. PDK does a way better job explaining it than I can. Sorry if that doesn't make a lot of sense. I've been grading student essays all day, s my brain is kind of mushy.
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And then someone did Visit To A Weird Planet, Revisited where Shatner, Nimoy and Kelley find themselves on the real Enterprise in the middle of an interplanetary crisis and have to get through it without revealing themselves as actors. It'd make a great movie!
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Railing Kill posted:To them, it is as real as something can get without being literally right in front of them. The characters are more willing to take a wider view of it because of the culture, but it isn't literal. It's... hard to explain. it sounds like a cop-out to say it, but you should really just read it. PDK does a way better job explaining it than I can. It's just kind of something that permeates the work. Like I think there's also a subplot with a guy that manufactures Americana trinkets to sell to the Japanese. He knows they're fake as gently caress, the japanese buyers probably suspect as much, but it's somehow real as well. I think there's a part where he realizes this thing he thought was manufaked was legit all along, which ties into the conception of a Prime or Real reality.
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FilthyImp posted:People here think the Berenstein/stain Bears thing is proof that they echoed into a parallel world and poo poo I had to look this up and now I don't know what to think 
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FilthyImp posted:People here think the Berenstein/stain Bears thing is proof that they echoed into a parallel world and poo poo, Uh yeah we're the alternate parallel world, we got a black president, then to really hammer in how fake reality is we got an orange one.
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Blade_of_tyshalle posted:Why would you recommend Scalzi to someone? Do you hate people that much? That's not entirely fair. Old Man's War is a decent read, and the second book in the series... well the third book is a direct sequel to the first book. And if you liked those then the fourth book is literally the third book again, only from like three feet to the left.
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The Wrath of Khan is now available on Google Play in 4k. This would be the Director's cut from the new master that Nick Mayer oversaw and was released on 1080p blu-ray earlier this summer. I had some discounts for Google Play so I decided to pick it up. There's no HDR on Google Play stuff (at least not yet, it's possibly comming), so that's a little bit of a disappointment. But it is wide color gamut and a true 4k source. It's noticeably more detailed than the blu-ray that was released this summer and even to my color blind eyes, I'm seeing much more subtle color shading and nuance. I'm still hoping Paramount will put the 4k HDR version out on disc sometime in the near future, but this will tide me over nicely. It's like watching the movie for the first time again.
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8one6 posted:That's not entirely fair. Old Man's War is a decent read, and the second book in the series... Yeah, OMW was pretty good. But the others were increasingly worse, I couldn't even finish Zoe's Story. He's also a prick on his blog, even to people who agree with him, which was the last straw for me. For some reason, his daughter comes up on my Facebook "people you may know" which is really weird.
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Blade_of_tyshalle posted:Yeah, OMW was pretty good. But the others were increasingly worse, I couldn't even finish Zoe's Story. He's also a prick on his blog, even to people who agree with him, which was the last straw for me. Yeah, he's shaping up to be this generation's rotten prick sci-fi writer.
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I really like Sisko interacting with Jem'Hadars or Vortas; he really understands them. He knows not to eat the poo poo Weyoon or and other Vorta is shoveling, and he almost breaks through the conditioning with the Jem'Hadar. Something subtle I like is that even with the most generic enemies, they are still shown as individuals. I also like how sometimes some humor shows through in the Jem'Hadar; "How old are you?" "i've lived 7 life times" "you don't look it".
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I think the phrase she used was that she stopped counting at 300
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In my DS9 watch, I finally got to Weyoun! He's really great! And then he died...? 
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The_Doctor posted:In my DS9 watch, I finally got to Weyoun! He's really great! And then he died...? I have good news and great news...
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The_Doctor posted:In my DS9 watch, I finally got to Weyoun! He's really great! And then he died...? Love this
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The_Doctor posted:In my DS9 watch, I finally got to Weyoun! He's really great! And then he died...? Get used to it 
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That's one of the flaws of the Weyouns.
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I finally got to the episode that inspired our thread title in my TNG watch-through and what a stinker. Worse than any season one episode for sure.
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GutBomb posted:I finally got to the episode that inspired our thread title in my TNG watch-through and what a stinker. Worse than any season one episode for sure. It's the profit and lace of TNG, but somehow worse because it takes itself so seriously.
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GutBomb posted:I finally got to the episode that inspired our thread title in my TNG watch-through and what a stinker. Worse than any season one episode for sure. I remember liking that episode because I was 11, without the internet, and here's a redhead writhing around on TV in ways that I liked and wasn't really sure why. The thing is, I think it could've been a decent episode. A life form that had attached itself to a family for generations, to the point of inherently loving each of them, and them loving it back? Is it right to deny it such an existence, when both are happy?
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Phimosissy posted:It's the profit and lace of TNG, but somehow worse because it takes itself so seriously. Siddig, who directed Profit & Lace, totally did want it to be dark and serious.
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MisterBibs posted:I remember liking that episode because I was 11, without the internet, and here's a redhead writhing around on TV in ways that I liked and wasn't really sure why. Don't go getting all Prime Directive up in here now... Seriously though, it was creepy as portrayed.
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I'm glad that is one of two episodes that I honestly can't remember much about despite having watched the series repeatedly for like 25 years. The other one is "Masks", which I honestly couldn't tell you the first thing about other than the weird mesoamerican themed grotto in the ready room. poo poo, I've even watched through and can recall poo poo like Aquiel.
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Aquiel is the one where Geordi falls in love with a girl by creeping her livejournal and then some chocolate pudding attacks him in the end right? e: the pudding is also a dog
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It's not even a livejournal, it's her personal vlog that she never uploads.
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GutBomb posted:I finally got to the episode that inspired our thread title in my TNG watch-through and what a stinker. Worse than any season one episode for sure. "Sub Rosa" is the loving worst. Worse than anything in S1 of TNG. Worse than anything in Voyager. Way worse than "Profit and Lace." There's so much to hate, but the ending is what kills me. "Well, at least my grandmother was happy."  No she loving wasn't, Beverly. She was enslaved by Rape Ghost Coast to Coast for thirty years. UGH
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Railing Kill posted:"Sub Rosa" is the loving worst. Worse than anything in S1 of TNG. I dunno, Code of Honor gives Sub Rosa a real run for its money.
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Pakled posted:I dunno, Code of Honor gives Sub Rosa a real run for its money. Code of Honor would have been just a run-of-the-mill bad S1 episode if not for a catacysmically stupid decision on how to cast the aliens...
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Met posted:I think the phrase she used was that she stopped counting at 300 The idea is the same, but I cannot believe the Jem'Hadar was not trying to make a joke there.
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Tighclops posted:Aquiel is the one where Geordi falls in love with a girl by creeping her Can you narrow that down a bit?
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Astroman posted:Can you narrow that down a bit? The one with the doggo. And that episode is good for one thing, showing that there are poo poo assignments in the Federation. Stuck on a small station with one other person monitoring transmissions. Yea you get a pretty nice room, but there's not much else going on.
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The Candle ghost is great, it's an entertainingly bad episode. Molly trapped in the future or something is my official worst episode of any trek. It's just painfully boring, there's nothing to talk about, no memorable quotes, no hot red heads getting ghost fingered on TV.
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This is interesting: http://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/the...ceId=PLGoP62464  Lance Parkin, yes that Lance Parkin, has written a bio of Gene Roddenberry. I wonder if it is more of the hagiographic "Great Bird of the Galaxy" bio or a hatchet job that says "Gene Roddenberry is the worst thing that happened to Star Trek." I'd love one that walks down the middle.
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Astroman posted:
I think Inside Star Trek does this fairly well.
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Baronjutter posted:The Candle ghost is great, it's an entertainingly bad episode. Molly trapped in the future or something is my official worst episode of any trek. It's just painfully boring, there's nothing to talk about, no memorable quotes, no hot red heads getting ghost fingered on TV. Oh god I hate that episode. It's just painful in every single way. Sub Rosa is spookaly good bad. So those long vests Klingons wear, what do you think they keep in the pockets? My guess, sunflower seeds. Also O'brien's Altair Sandwich looks great. I imagine its on a sour dough roll.
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I haven't watched "Sub Rosa" in years but I recently re-watched "Meridian" and it took me four attempts to finally slog through the thing.
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