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Bumper Stickup posted:Please don't nerf Ana. It'll trickle down to comsole which will just make everyone go back to mercy.
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Caeks posted:Oh I'm not disagreeing - I merely think Blizzard will do slight buffs to Mcree, regardless. Possibly as a knee-jerk reaction to the tank meta. after all of the poo poo mccree has gone through tho, him being in an ok spot is absolutely not something they're gonna knee-jerk rebalance
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Dec 17, 2016 04:12
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The thing that would make Sombra instantly 1000% better is simply eliminating that 0.5 second delay on shooting/hacking out of invisibility.
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Dec 17, 2016 04:13
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Nihilarian posted:I like it when supports have a choice of which character to play I do to. It's why I don't want the Ana nerf on console.
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Dec 17, 2016 04:14
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what you're afraid of won't happen, she's not gonna be useless on console but ok on pc. the platforms aren't that different
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Dec 17, 2016 04:15
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torbjorn buffs please
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Dec 17, 2016 04:41
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Manatee Cannon posted:what you're afraid of won't happen, she's not gonna be useless on console but ok on pc. the platforms aren't that different I wonder if this is just your skill level. On console I put up half the healing I do with her on PC.
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Dec 17, 2016 04:46
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Manatee Cannon posted:what you're afraid of won't happen, she's not gonna be useless on console but ok on pc. the platforms aren't that different Don't they balance console and PC versions separately anyways now? Could've sworn I saw something in which Blizzard said that.
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Dec 17, 2016 04:55
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Caeks posted:Don't they balance console and PC versions separately anyways now? Could've sworn I saw something in which Blizzard said that. The only difference is Torb turret/symm turrets got a 30% damage nerf on console. We still got everything else. Even the initial spread nerf for soldier.
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Dec 17, 2016 04:56
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yea they did say that they would balance things differently but in practice it's not really any different. I think they want the different versions to be as close as possible
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Dec 17, 2016 05:05
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Caeks posted:I 100% stand by Sombra/Genji buffs. I think Sombra's clip size, damage or both will be increased. Maybe even some hacking tuning. Maybe a slight HP buff too. Genji, on the other hand, I think needs a slight buff - but he's far harder to balance. As in Roadhog but in the opposite direction, I'm afraid buffing Genji, even slightly, will push him over the edge. all genji needs is for them to reverse all the nerfs except for the junkrat/widowmaker mine ones his dominance was entirely the result of the warped as gently caress 50% discord meta and even then he was second fiddle to mccree
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Dec 17, 2016 05:08
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Do you think returning Genji's ult to its previous state probably gets him picked again instead of a tank without nerfing Ana?
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Dec 17, 2016 05:27
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putting genji to what he was would change nothing for him if that's all they did. tho I don't think he should get his old time back either way, if only because he could outlast transcendence and that was silly. the rest is whatever
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Dec 17, 2016 05:29
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Manatee Cannon posted:putting genji to what he was would change nothing for him if that's all they did. tho I don't think he should get his old time back either way, if only because he could outlast transcendence and that was silly. the rest is whatever I think the thing that's hurt Genji more than losing triple jumps or 2 seconds off his ult is both the global adjustment to ult rates and nanoboost nerfs. It takes longer to charge up a dragonblade now and unlike Tracer's pulse bomb Genji's ult is a much more important part of his kit. Losing the ability to get speed-enhanced nanoboosted on top of it also doesn't help.
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Dec 17, 2016 05:35
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Manatee Cannon posted:putting genji to what he was would change nothing for him if that's all they did. tho I don't think he should get his old time back either way, if only because he could outlast transcendence and that was silly. the rest is whatever outlasting transcendence was good, actually, first off because it's good for offensive powers to be slightly better than defensive ones (to discourage stalemates), second because plenty of ults can punch through transcendence and unlike most of those genji has to wait six seconds before it works
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Dec 17, 2016 05:42
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comedy option: eight second transcendence
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Dec 17, 2016 05:42
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even pro genjis thought old dragonblade was too good
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Dec 17, 2016 05:46
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ColHannibal posted:You sound like a silver player. Diamond, but thanks for playing! If you don't believe me, watch any pro KOTH map. Most of the KOTH points are low ground and let the enemy get within knife fight range before you can even see them. In most of them, you want to capture the point, then either move to high ground so you can control when to engage, or move a bit forward so you can force the enemy to come down a long corridor under fire just to get to the point.
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Dec 17, 2016 05:47
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Manatee Cannon posted:even pro genjis thought old dragonblade was too good seagull_"there is literally no reason to play genji now".mp4
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Dec 17, 2016 05:56
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If they're gonna buff any DPS it would have to be Reaper right? If he were any good he could help punish a 3-4 tank lineup.
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Dec 17, 2016 05:58
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they should prob nerf the tank meta favorites instead of trying to make one thing the counter to it because then you just have everyone running that one thingTuxedo Catfish posted:seagull_"there is literally no reason to play genji now".mp4 the tank meta being stupid doesn't make old dragonblade not also stupid. it wouldn't even do anything except give you more reasons to run tanks. it's a bad idea
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Dec 17, 2016 06:03
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I mean it's not even just to try and shift the meta. If Reaper isn't good when the other team frequently consists solely of tanks and supports then what possible meta could he be good in?
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Dec 17, 2016 06:07
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Irony Be My Shield posted:I mean it's not even just to try and shift the meta. If Reaper isn't good when the other team frequently consists solely of tanks and supports then what possible meta could he be good in? i think the thing here is that reaper's effectiveness as a tankbuster is somewhat exaggerated and he's actually good against the same targets as most flankers (but also against winston and roadhog, the former because of his enormous head and the latter because he has no armor)
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Dec 17, 2016 06:20
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ColHannibal posted:You sound like a silver player. You sound like a player in low gold saying that lol
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Dec 17, 2016 06:20
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Manatee Cannon posted:the tank meta being stupid doesn't make old dragonblade not also stupid. it wouldn't even do anything except give you more reasons to run tanks. it's a bad idea old dragonblade being perfectly reasonable in every previous meta except for the freak storm of zenyatta dominance is what makes it not stupid also, even if your supposition were true, it would give you more reason to play tanks and also more reason to play genji, which is already infinitely better than tanks and soldier 76
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Dec 17, 2016 06:22
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Tuxedo Catfish posted:seagull_"there is literally no reason to play genji now".mp4 Which pro player was it who thought that Soldier was absolutely going to be the top DPS pick over McCree back before his damage buff when all they did was give him a slight adjustment to his spread? Pro players in aggregate may give you an idea of which comps and techniques are successful but individual pro players are just as prone to dumb opinions as someone who paid $10 to post on an internet messageboard. Tuxedo Catfish posted:i think the thing here is that reaper's effectiveness as a tankbuster is somewhat exaggerated and he's actually good against the same targets as most flankers And Zarya. Unless she's at peak charge and sees you coming Reaper can absolutely shred her and it always baffled me why so many Reapers would get tickled by a half charge beam and instantly wraith away instead of shooting the 400 hitpoint character with no armor. So yeah, to be honest Reaper's a pretty good character against tanks barring maybe D.Va, the issue is that you can have one Reaper on a team but the other team can have as many tanks as they want and there's only so much a single Reaper can do against that much meat. Like, being good against Tanks doesn't mean you can effortlessly 1v4 the enemy lineup and that's sort of why Reaper isn't the answer to this meta, nor is buffing him.
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old dragonblade wasn't fine in every meta but that, genji himself was bad because mccree was so bullshit that it took a long time for people to start playing genji again in the first place. then they did and they discovered that it was good. blizzard isn't just gonna remove nanoboost either, so a decent genji will be killing like 4 people per ult on average against teams that aren't tank heavy it wouldn't give you more reason to play genji, it would just give you less reason to run things that aren't genji on the off chance a shadowburn is on the other team. if it's bad in this meta and too good in the rest of them, it's not a good change. it wouldn't fix anything and would only make things worse when they change something else. I don't get why you even want this
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Manatee Cannon posted:old dragonblade wasn't fine in every meta but that, genji himself was bad because mccree was so bullshit that it took a long time for people to start playing genji again in the first place. then they did and they discovered that it was good. blizzard isn't just gonna remove nanoboost either, so a decent genji will be killing like 4 people per ult on average against teams that aren't tank heavy a decent genji would be killing like 2 people per ult because anyone competent is going to run zenyatta against him even with 6 transcend vs. 8 dragonblade, plus on top of that genji's going to ult about half as often thanks to the ult charge changes
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Dec 17, 2016 06:36
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I guess you could argue the issue with Reaper is that D-Va fills the same niche better.
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Dec 17, 2016 06:37
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everything that made genji scary is nerfed and everything that made him risky is still basically the same (mccree, transcendence) or circumstantially better (roadhog thriving in an environment with fewer ults)
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Dec 17, 2016 06:38
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Tuxedo Catfish posted:a decent genji would be killing like 2 people per ult because anyone competent is going to run zenyatta against him even with 6 transcend vs. 8 dragonblade, plus on top of that genji's going to ult about half as often thanks to the ult charge changes biotic grenade. the real counter is just roadhog, fullstop Irony Be My Shield posted:I guess you could argue the issue with Reaper is that D-Va fills the same niche better. defense matrix shuts him down pretty hard tbh. he has to get close and d.va make it hard for him to do anything when he gets there, then he's just gotta run
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Dec 17, 2016 06:40
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Manatee Cannon posted:biotic grenade yeah, okay, fair point nerf ana
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Dec 17, 2016 06:41
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why the gently caress do tracer lucio mei and tjorb get the be the Main Faces of the update all of those skins suck rear end
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Dec 17, 2016 06:41
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Tuxedo Catfish posted:yeah, okay, fair point I think they were wrong to buff the range of that thing and it should be brought back to what it was
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1I2ngjo1D4 Not shown: the absurd amount of salt afterward at my zero-effort accidental PotG 
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Dec 17, 2016 06:43
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Reaper doesn't give a poo poo about armor. The meta right now isn't friendly to him but he doesn't need a buff. "He should be good against triple tanks" ignores that the two tanks he has the most trouble with are the most common picks right now, and that the offense character most picked is also a solid choice against him. Winston also doesn't need a buff, he's just the tank who is the weakest against tanks. He can tickle Reinhardt through his barrier and kill a mechless D.Va, that is the extent of his use against tanks. He's fine against 2/2/2 comps.
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Dec 17, 2016 06:46
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Tuxedo Catfish posted:a decent genji would be killing like 2 people per ult because anyone competent is going to run zenyatta against him even with 6 transcend vs. 8 dragonblade, plus on top of that genji's going to ult about half as often thanks to the ult charge changes To be honest, I think the idea of "well this character being hard-countered by someone running a support in large part to shut them down with their own ultimate ability is only killing 1/3rd of the enemy team by himself when he ults" like that's an example of how reasonable he was is kind of funny.
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Dec 17, 2016 07:04
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According to some eurogamerarticle with no link to the quote blizz is gonna redo meis winter skin since people think it sucks
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Dec 17, 2016 07:05
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Kai Tave posted:To be honest, I think the idea of "well this character being hard-countered by someone running a support in large part to shut them down with their own ultimate ability is only killing 1/3rd of the enemy team by himself when he ults" like that's an example of how reasonable he was is kind of funny. that's not any different from any of the other good ults in the game, and it's not as if even then getting two kills is in any way guaranteed
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to say nothing of genji's ult being as good as it is because non-ulting genji requires more work for less return than any other offense hero well, except sombra, she's kind of in the same boat he is
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