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theres a will theres moe posted:Well, it's actually the right to keep and bear bear arms in support of a "well regulated militia" necessary for the maintenance of a free state. Presumably 'free' includes freedom to vote. Ignoring even that, maybe it should be as easy to vote as it is to own a gun. 15th Amendment (1870): "The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of race, color, or previous condition of servitude." 19th Amendment (1920): "The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of sex." 23rd Amendment (1961): provides that residents of the District of Columbia can vote for the President and Vice President. 24th Amendment (1964): "The right of citizens of the United States to vote in any primary or other election for President or Vice President, for electors for President or Vice President, or for Senator or Representative in Congress, shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or any State by reason of failure to pay any poll tax or other tax." 26th Amendment (1971): "The right of citizens of the United States, who are eighteen years of age or older, to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of age." Or maybe you meant voting was a "right" in that abstract way people generally use it, which is to say "I feel it should be thus," regardless of whether or not it actually is thus, or should be, thus, or if your feelings on the matter have any bearing whatsoever. I generally agree that voting should be as easy and open as possible but this constant windmill tipping by the Ace of Baes posted:gently caress you. e. I should stop lumping the Left in with the Democrats sorry unlimited shrimp has issued a correction as of 19:03 on Dec 17, 2016 |
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SpaceGoku posted:I have no problem making it as easy to vote as it is to buy a shotgun let people vote at walmarts
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SpaceGoku posted:let people vote at walmarts Big Gulp / Extra Large Jorts 2020
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the part about "no poll taxes" means state IDs should be free if they are required for voting imo
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bump_fn posted:Big Gulp / Extra Large Jorts 2020 arguably better than current circumstances a pair of jorts wouldn't rubber stamp every fool idea coming out of a GOP congress
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deadgoon posted:the part about "no poll taxes" means state IDs should be free if they are required for voting imo 
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lmao avclub throwing shade
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etalian posted:
 
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You are sure to shut up any debate with a strong, well researched graph like that. According to it the Dems should have nominated Ronald Hitler, to match the raging fascist and neoliberal portfolio of LBJ, known today as "The Great Eviscerator" for his thorough destruction of the welfare system and the violent death of the great society.
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 It should be as easy as possible to vote. Anyone that talks about "sufficient motivation" needs to, uh, crawl back into the "Personal Responsibility" hole they came from.
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steinrokkan posted:You are sure to shut up any debate with a strong, well researched graph like that. This is what happens when you try to quantify ideology.
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deadgoon posted:the part about "no poll taxes" means state IDs should be free if they are required for voting imo
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Define "liberal"
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freckle posted:Define "liberal" LIE-BERAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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deadgoon posted:the part about "no poll taxes" means state IDs should be free if they are required for voting imo Sure, just pick it up at our office in another county on the fifth Wednesday of any month!
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poo poo liberal say: Hillary is more progressive than LBJ because she said she would things were not worth doing if they wouldn't end racism.
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Yes one Kevin Drum and his history of sharting all over his work desk. Source for Clinton being in the middle? Drum's mind.
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Dr. Arbitrary posted:Sure, just pick it up at our office in another county on the fifth Wednesday of any month! Office now closed every other month due to budget cuts.
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Captain_Maclaine posted:Office now closed every other month due to budget cuts. just fly to this specific place with the private jet you already own, so simple
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SpaceGoku posted:let people vote at walmarts That would probably be a better system than what we have
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SpaceGoku posted:let people vote at walmarts SHY NUDIST GRRL posted:That would probably be a better system than what we have "And in a stunning upset, the 'Outlaw Unions Forever and Also Make It Legal To Pay in Scrip and Shoot Labor Organizers If We Want (Which We Do)' ballot item passed with over 98% of the total vote."
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comedyblissoption posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JafSyi4ZZ7w Zach noooo
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loquacius posted:I don't think it's a worrying trend at all, I think it's human nature. Young people have put less of their own money into Social Security, and the point in time at which it will benefit them is further away. Those same people will probably have differing opinions on the subject when those conditions don't apply to them anymore. it'll be a problem if the young people stand by and let Congress repeal SS and Medicare as soon as the boomer lobby is too senile to stop it lmao the funniest part about this graph is that I could see any side of the Democratic civil war posting it
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I am 15 liberal
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the trump tutelage posted:If we're getting parsimonious about the wording of the Constitution then perhaps you can point to where the Constitution prohibits things like voter ID laws and restricted voting hours: Yeah yeah and the law doesn't say I can't murder someone on a Tuesday.
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logikv9 posted:I am 15 liberal that gives u a +2 modifier to poison damage
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theres a will theres moe posted:Yeah yeah and the law doesn't say I can't murder someone on a Tuesday. And that flag has a gold fringe so i shall take your wife as mine own bride.
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Any chart that has LBJ less liberal than Bill and Hillary Clinton should just be laughed at for the rest of eternity.
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Rand alPaul posted:Any chart that has LBJ less liberal than Bill and Hillary Clinton should just be laughed at for the rest of eternity. LBJ created Medicaid/Medicare and extended welfare benefits, while Bill Clinton tried to destroy it.
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NumberLast posted:lol if you believe the CIA "report." I believe the CIA more than I believe Trump and Russia, although that's just about the lowest bar you could possibly clear
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actually it might be better to say that I disbelieve Trump and Russia slightly more than I disbelieve the CIA
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ALL-PRO SEXMAN posted:I believe the CIA more than I believe Trump and Russia, although that's just about the lowest bar you could possibly clear You know who really liked sugar?
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etalian posted:LBJ created Medicaid/Medicare and extended welfare benefits, while Bill Clinton tried to destroy it. But imagine what Bill would have done if Congress hadn't held him back! And other complete bullshit.
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Rand alPaul posted:Any chart that has LBJ less liberal than Bill and Hillary Clinton should just be laughed at for the rest of eternity. It's actually a dick size chart.
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theres a will theres moe posted:maybe it should be as easy to vote as it is to own a gun.
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I genuinely can't read this chart. It either has LBJ or Sanders as the 'least liberal' candidates the dems have ever had and there's no right option there. Also what are the numbers? 35? 35 what? What does 35 mean on a 'liberal' chart?
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The paper cited in Drum's article has a bit of a different take on candidate liberalism. Also interesting that Drum decided to make the cutoff 1952 and label it "Post war". I guess 1948 doesn't count because....? Also, you might notice that there was a fairly liberal Democratic President who appears four times on the above chart. Pretty surprising that someone so liberal could win four times!
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Captain_Maclaine posted:"And in a stunning upset, the 'Outlaw Unions Forever and Also Make It Legal To Pay in Scrip and Shoot Labor Organizers If We Want (Which We Do)' ballot item passed with over 98% of the total vote." might still be an improvement depending on how the next 8 years go
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Joementum posted:Also interesting that Drum decided to make the cutoff 1952 and label it "Post war". I guess 1948 doesn't count because....? Also, you might notice that there was a fairly liberal Democratic President who appears four times on the above chart. Pretty surprising that someone so liberal could win four times! Irrelevant, FDR won at a time of an economic crisis and geo-political tensions that escalated into a protracted war. Nowadays, during a period of prosperity, peace and overall greatness, we need a candidate who can triangulate the best way of preserving what makes America so great.
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