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Man, what was even the point behind a slow, fat, poorly armored cruiser with light battleship guns? Germany: "It'll be a commerce raider, like our battleships!" 
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"It will be able to outfight anything it can't outrun." Then the 28-knot battleships hit the drawing board.
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Dec 16, 2016 23:52
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Astroniomix posted:Also if the Highschool Fleet colab thing someone mentioned earlier actually happens next year you'll probably be able to get an (almost) identical version of the ship without paying. So that's even less reason to buy it. At this point I'm wondering why they don't just go with the Kantai Collection collab that way too many players obviously want.
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Dec 17, 2016 00:25
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xthetenth posted:They're not actually testers at least in my experience, they're more people who try early builds and get asked about the gameplay as well as reporting bugs on the side. That's not the same as actual professional testers. Your right, but they're distinguished from public test; I take this to mean they (supertesters) are doing log term balance testing that normally a QA team would do.
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Sperglord Actual posted:At this point I'm wondering why they don't just go with the Kantai Collection collab that way too many players obviously want. I imagine there's some complications with that now, what with Kadokawa having licensed KC to Sega for making an arcade game for them in Japan. Or maybe WG doesn't even really know what KC is. It's unlikely as they knew what Arpeggio was however.
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Dec 17, 2016 00:38
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wdarkk posted:"It will be able to outfight anything it can't outrun." It was actually a reasonable assumption at the time. She was designed laid down at a time when the Washington Naval Treaty still meant that nobody was building any new battleships at all. Battleships of the line that were still in existence were basically top out at 25 knots. The only real threat she couldn't out punch or out run was the HMS Hood and Renown but given the Versailles Treaty restrictions, the Graf Spee was the best the Germans could do. Also if a German armored cruiser could tie up something like the Renown or Hood for an extended period of time trying to hunt her down while she was god knows where in the world doing commerce raiding, that is a huge win for the Kreigsmarine already.
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Dec 17, 2016 00:42
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ZombieLenin posted:Your right, but they're distinguished from public test; I take this to mean they (supertesters) are doing log term balance testing that normally a QA team would do. Except they don't. They are just first touch testers before public test.
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JuffoWup posted:Except they don't. They are just first touch testers before public test. I'm going to point out that testing new lines - and premiums, for that matter - is exclusively supertesters, as they're never accessible to test even in the public tests for everyone else. I don't know enough about the game testing environment to definitively weigh in on this dispute, but them being first touch testers before the public test is rather false for at least certain major new features.
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Dec 17, 2016 01:34
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Sperglord Actual posted:At this point I'm wondering why they don't just go with the Kantai Collection collab that way too many players obviously want. Kancolle doesn't have actual ships. It's just girls with rollerskates and torpedo launchers.
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Night10194 posted:Man, what was even the point behind a slow, fat, poorly armored cruiser with light battleship guns? Baltic superiority. It's a project that's pre-Nazi. So being able to clown the poo poo out of cruisers is all it really needs, and it doesn't need to be able to that without incurring major loss of capability.
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Dec 17, 2016 01:55
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So far as the Graf Spee goes, I encountered one a week or so ago - we sank each other with torpedoes after he lit me up with hydro, which is kind of a victory I guess?  Also I finally got to the Edinburgh - what should I know, if anything about that ship compared to the Fiji? And how does retraining work, anyway, assuming you don't just blow right through it with dubloons?
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Dec 17, 2016 01:57
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5 mil supercontainer!  Soup Inspector posted:And how does retraining work, anyway, assuming you don't just blow right through it with dubloons? You have to grind a bunch of captain XP with all skills handicapped or disabled. Paying with credits cuts the required XP in half.
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Soup Inspector posted:And how does retraining work, anyway, assuming you don't just blow right through it with dubloons? If you stick that captain in a premium ship he'll have full use of all his skills without penalty. Retraining captains is the big use of premium ships along with earning extra credits. Otherwise yeah you have to deal with some skills disabled or working at 50%, depending on the skill. Having Last Stand disabled on your DD captain sucks rear end. Speaking of, I tried to get a decent 100% first win today with a retraining DD captain.    That'll do, Atago. That'll do.
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Dec 17, 2016 02:11
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Apparently the shipgirls anime people really, really don't like filthy gaijin so all their poo poo is regionlocked and they dont really do deals with non-japanese companies.
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Dec 17, 2016 02:17
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Got my first supercontainer! It had 250 flags. 250 detonation flags! So, not bad? Could have been better but I'm definitely going to use 250 det flags.
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ranbo das posted:Apparently the shipgirls anime people really, really don't like filthy gaijin so all their poo poo is regionlocked and they dont really do deals with non-japanese companies. Well, I mean it is an anime fetishizing the WWII Imperial Japanese Navy (also little girls) and clearly regards the sinking of the ships as tragic without any sort of reflection on the "well maybe there was a reason the bad guys we portray as literal inhuman monsters sunk them".
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Dec 17, 2016 02:48
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I like getting det flags. In terms of things to get that are useful I think they are pretty high up.
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Redeye Flight posted:Got my first supercontainer! I'm starting to think that the det flag supercontainer is a sick joke wargaming plays on some people on purpose for their first supercontainers. Not saying they're not useful in removing that bit of RNG completely from the game, but before I got mine I already had way too many of them (150+) and I don't really even use them on anything that isn't cruisers and some DD's that get shot a lot. Even before I started paying attention to it, I think I got detonated once every fifteen games or so? It's extremely rare to begin with. Last time I even remember getting blown up was when I got hit by a single stray shell in my Myoko at the start of a match and got instantly Hood'ed, but that was more than thirty games ago. It's not a very fun supercontainer. Some silver, maybe a day or three of premium, some extra consumables, maybe some doubloons... the number of things that are more useful than 250 detonation flags is pretty big. It's not like you'll care too much about it if you're not playing a competitive mode anyway. But when I get 250 flags I barely use after rolling around ten times for my supercontainer, over the course of several days, it makes me not really want to roll for a super ever again. OSad fucked around with this message at 03:18 on Dec 17, 2016 |
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Trip report on the Shiratsuyu: this thing is such a huge upgrade over the Hatsuharu it's ridiculous. You don't even need to upgrade it to do well, it just feels a little sluggish with the stock hull rudder. Played only 4 games, stock and half with a retraining captain, and my lowest damage was 71k. It's pretty hilarious when an enemy DD smokes up at a cap (and sits still in it broadside to me) with 1-2 CAs right behind him trying to get into the smoke. 16 torps later they all regret their decisions.
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Redeye Flight posted:Got my first supercontainer! If you've got an Atlanta, they're pretty much a requirement. Every time I forget my det flag, there's a pretty good chance I'll detonate in it.
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Detonation flags are the rice and tofu of signal flags. You'll use them, you probably won't be thrilled. That said, put a detonation flag on every destroyer or you'll regret it later.
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ranbo das posted:Apparently the shipgirls anime people really, really don't like filthy gaijin so all their poo poo is regionlocked and they dont really do deals with non-japanese companies. Not so much. Kantai Collection has a problem with having girls that would almost assuredly be considered underage in western countries depicted in questionable outfits. I'm sure I don't need to paint a picture here. Lolicon stuff can get the Kantai devs in a lot of trouble if they tried to go overseas with it, so to shield themselves from any liability they soft block anyone outside the country from playing, though the workaround is extraordinarily easy and they won't ban you for playing from outside Japan. This necessarily precludes them from doing a collab with anyone who has a western market, like Wargaming. They'd have to clean up their stuff if they ever planned to, but I doubt they're in any hurry to expand outside of the japanese market. Warbadger posted:Well, I mean it is an anime fetishizing the WWII Imperial Japanese Navy (also little girls) and clearly regards the sinking of the ships as tragic without any sort of reflection on the "well maybe there was a reason the bad guys we portray as literal inhuman monsters sunk them". They gloss over a lot of the negative historical stuff (there are a number of ships in the game that participated in actual war crimes), but there are some very minor references to the Kaiten suicide torpedo, all of them negative. But to say they're anti-western is pretty silly, considering they've added Iowa, Saratoga, Warspite, and Commandment Teste, all allied ships, with plans to add more. Anyone telling you its some japanese nationalism thing is probably only looking at the small amount of users that ARE wackos, but every boat game has their wackos, IE: wehraboos.
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I hear KC got a bunch of Kriegsmarine ships before any other foreign ones. 
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So I jumped back into the game after a pretty long absence, and I ended up playing versus a few guys from SEAMN (who proceeded to kick my poo poo in because I'm bad). Did WG finally get the clan issue sorted out?
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How would they even add Kantai stuff into the game? Best case I can see would be a bunch of captains. Even the HS Fleet colab is reaching a bit because the anime only depicts like 3 useable ships.
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Soup Inspector posted:So far as the Graf Spee goes, I encountered one a week or so ago - we sank each other with torpedoes after he lit me up with hydro, which is kind of a victory I guess? How did you get to tier 8 without knowing how captain retraining works?
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Fperson1 posted:So I jumped back into the game after a pretty long absence, and I ended up playing versus a few guys from SEAMN (who proceeded to kick my poo poo in because I'm bad). Did WG finally get the clan issue sorted out? No, we'll be waiting until clans go into open beta (or full release or whatever they call it) to try again. Sperglord Actual posted:I hear KC got a bunch of Kriegsmarine ships before any other foreign ones. They got Italian ships too. You could definitely make the case that they were massive axis wehraboos up until Iowa dropped, at least.
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Aramoro posted:How did you get to tier 8 without knowing how captain retraining works? I'm not really unaware of it, it's more that I've generally been super lazy and just gone "gently caress it", getting a new captain each time because I couldn't be arsed going through what was probably a very painful grind. (Also don't tell anyone but I am still bad at botes  )I think I phrased my question very poorly - I knew what captain retraining is/how it works, it's more that I wasn't sure how to check how far along in the retraining process you were. I assume you just keep an eye on the commander XP bar as per normal, but it doesn't hurt to ask, right?
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2017 Preview I'm kind of disappointed that Soviet Destroyers are the next branch split, it's not like they need that much of a shakeup. It looks like the leaked commander skills are real.
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wdarkk posted:2017 Preview I don't get this. There was apparently a decent amount of annoyance in even the Russian base that heavily imaginary Russian lines were being released before actually powerful naval nations like England, France or Italy, and now they're releasing even MORE Russian ships before most of the actual relevant naval power lines are here? Who the gently caress makes these dumbass decisions? Let alone I'm really loving tired of certain nations getting '50s era ships, with generally extremely powerful AA comparatively, when most nations are stuck with '40s era ones. As for skills, we'll just have to wait and see. Even if most/all the names were real, the new ones may very well have been changed from the initial leak. Lord Koth fucked around with this message at 18:17 on Dec 17, 2016 |
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The below screenshot is a perfect example of why having good DDs is important. Our DDs got loving mauled. Two Bensons and a Roon sailed right up through B unopposed to found me flat footed outside of C where I was demolishing a NC. Inspite of my team being up in total ships after my side of the map collapsed, they had 4 DDs to our 2 DDs and proceeded to crush us. Hard. Games like this where you start out playing really good suck suck the worst. Also this game featured a Tirpitz on our team firing HE. At first I thought, well, he's trying to kill the DDs and well...that first salvo against the Roon can be forgiven because he didn't want to stop reloading and switch. But he kept firing HE. I counted 5 HE salvos. The count is important because his argument after he died was 'I didn't have 11 seconds to switch to AP'.
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Lord Koth posted:I don't get this. There was apparently a decent amount of annoyance in even the Russian base that heavily imaginary Russian lines were being released before actually powerful naval nations like England, France or Italy, and now they're releasing even MORE Russian ships before most of the actual relevant naval power lines are here? Who the gently caress makes these dumbass decisions? And it's another 6, 7, 8 branch too, because Smelyi is more or less a Gnevny, and that's gonna struggle at tier 6 already, while Neustrashimy and Kotlin/Project 56 only have the Ognevoi gun layout. How they need to exist and what they'll be armed with is anyone's guess.
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Ice Fist posted:
It's basically a New Mexico, and the New Mexico is good, so no surprise there. Except I imagine it does worse against CVs than the regular NM.
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  Is the molotov a fun ship? I'm thinking of picking up something to play with my buddy who's in T6 but I don't want to buy something that will be unfun when uptiered like my poor dusty murmansk.
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I've been trying to use the techniques that worked in the Fiji with my Edinburgh and it seems like every game, without fail, I'm getting completely slaughtered by the opposition. Of course, I also keep getting uptiered into tier IX games, but I don't know how much of an impact that's having.
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The Third Man posted:
It is a good ship, but it is still a cruiser with paper thin armor and a huge citadel in a metagame defined by battleships deleting cruisers.
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I'm finally starting to get the hang of hitting enemy destroyers semi consistently with HE from a cruiser. Now if I could just do it with a BB
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Sun Wu Kampf posted:I'm finally starting to get the hang of hitting enemy destroyers semi consistently with HE from a cruiser. Now if I could just do it with a BB There's actually a very specific trick to it in battleships. The trick is, hold ctrl and click on the destroyer, and let your secondaries do the work.
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