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logikv9 posted:three seconds looking at D&D simply confirms that the primary salt rule is actually very cool and good lol u looked at dnd
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Anime Schoolgirl posted:like if russia is a hill someone is willing to die on for three pages like someone did a few days ago they should take a break Why is Russia supposed to be our enemy again, like nobody gave a gently caress about them when they were shooting down airliners but now we're ready to gently caress them up because the IT guys for the DNC are incompetent products of nepotism? Seriously?
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Baloogan posted:is there anything worth watching about the EC?
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logikv9 posted:Also, define it for me so 'protection of property' = 'freedom from theft' but 'paying tax' = 'requirement to give' the problem is a) who gets to define freedom we could just as well say that food stamps = freedom from starvation, they both require taxes in order to actually work b) there's no rigorous philosophical difference between the two, nor a reason giving why we should care in terms of agency, between the requirement to do something and the requirement to not do something, they're both limiting in exactly the same way (they limit your total freedom of action), by drawing that line you're essentially making a distinction without a difference
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Anime Schoolgirl posted:the faithless electors getting bricks with swastikas or red hats thrown through their windows sooo fox news or msnbc?
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im serious i wanna know what / when i should be watching the news for EC coverage
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Baloogan posted:is there anything worth watching about the EC? when more electors defect from clinton than trump lol
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Nerses IV posted:Why is Russia supposed to be our enemy again, like nobody gave a gently caress about them when they were shooting down airliners but now we're ready to gently caress them up because the IT guys for the DNC are incompetent products of nepotism? Seriously?
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Anime Schoolgirl posted:and after the electoral vote tomorrow there is nothing that will change the outcome President Bartlet's personal pleas could still turn this around! 
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Baloogan posted:sooo fox news or msnbc?
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Baloogan posted:is there anything worth watching about the EC? a funny thing would be if there are faithless electors who abandon clinton 
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SpaceGoku posted:a funny thing would be if there are faithless electors the last great gently caress-you to the party
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Anime Schoolgirl posted:similarly to primary salt, the discussion goes nowhere due to the insistence of one or more parties involved in the discussion that one or more factors is either the sole determining factor of the election/are irrelevant or were actually beneficial to the outcome of the election How toxic can this conversation get? You already said that Russiachat consumed three pages, but was it somebody coming in trolling everybody or was it a non-stop flamewar that was only ended with probations? Productivity is important (and I would argue that it is still a marginally relevant topic as well, with that debate being the cornerstone of the DNC chair election / Russiachat) and it is important that the topic discussed as a chance to become something more than just a point of pure disagreement. That being said, while some topics related to the general election do seem very unproductive and a little bit stupid, I think to make it work you have to carve out very specific rules on whether or not some topics are allowed and some topics are not. For example, is bringing up Russiachat in the wider spectrum of "things that went wrong" probatable? Is it okay paired with other things? What if we are talking about the CIA/FBI report? It's not as clear-cut. On top of this, one of the more compelling reasons behind the "no primary salt" rule was the toxicity and flamewars. We completely "outlawed" a specific topic, and even then it was narrowly defined in how you must approach said topic. That's not something that forums should generally do unless you're Freep or /r/the_donald. What made it possible was the flamewars. Those things consumed two Hillary threads, 1 Bernie thread, and 3-4 Democratic Primary threads. What really pushed this rule forward (and I think I indicate a bit on this in the Rules Post) was that it wasn't just a very productive topic, but a very flammable one. It's a thing that can pop up apparently in any thread on the forums, and D&D is has two threads full of this that don't seem like very good things to read. C-SPAM's looser rules means that were are generally less capable of handling the topic, and to be fair this should be a cool and good place to post. Even then, we haven't outlawed primary chat, but primary salt. It's an ultra-thin line but the difference is that anybody can talk about it but have to walk a very careful line between "discussion" and "full blown flamewars" which is actually much harder than you think! Depending on who is reading that post, that line might not even exist  After all this, we are willing to stomp out causes of trouble, whether it be posters or in extreme extreme XULTRAX XEXTREMEX cases, topics. Unless the general election salt becomes more widespread, more specific, and really, really awful, I think it's something we have to deal with for now.
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logikv9 posted:How toxic can this conversation get? You already said that Russiachat consumed three pages, but was it somebody coming in trolling everybody or was it a non-stop flamewar that was only ended with probations? i think he's just trolling you because primary salt is banned
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Al! posted:i think he's just trolling you because primary salt is banned gently caress gently caress gently caress gently caress i wanted the large fries instead goddamn how do you eat this burger without fries it's a sin
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logikv9 posted:gently caress gently caress gently caress gently caress i wanted the large fries instead goddamn how do you eat this burger without fries it's a sin you ever go to a like new place and get a burger and they put chips in front of you instead? i consider that a fuckin high crime
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unless i guess if you're getting a gas station burger made on a grill in the middle of nowhere, those are pretty good
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Al! posted:i think he's just trolling you because primary salt is banned i do agree that we need to wait a bit, if only to see if the general salt lasts long enough
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Al! posted:unless i guess if you're getting a gas station burger made on a grill in the middle of nowhere, those are pretty good The flavor is enhanced by the tantalizing possibility of massive intestinal blowout half an hour down the road!
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Al! posted:you ever go to a like new place and get a burger and they put chips in front of you instead? i consider that a fuckin high crime i've been to places where i spent a decent amount of money on a sandwich or burger and to top it off they give me a choice of different flavored lays chips. it's a goddamn sin
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Anime Schoolgirl posted:i'm not, i'm actually kind of concerned about how long d&d imports will go making GBS threads up the trump or liberal tears thread before baloogan comes out of hibernation to notice i think cspam could use 1 more ik tbh
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logikv9 posted:i've been to places where i spent a decent amount of money on a sandwich or burger and to top it off they give me a choice of different flavored lays chips. it's a goddamn sin If a place actually makes their own chips I can sometimes give them a pass over offering them with the burger instead of fries.
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Baloogan posted:im serious i wanna know what / when i should be watching the news for EC coverage I don't think I've ever even seen EC coverage other than a story after the fact that was YUP THEY VOTED. Mind you, this year's a little different since instead of a 0% chance they won't just rubber-stamp the November vote there's a 0.0001% chance they won't. But I'd still be surprised if coverage were anything but a bunch of reporters hanging round outside the Fortress of Electitude* waiting for a sign. ___ *I assume that is the official name for where they hold the vote, and if it's not, it should be
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Nerses IV posted:Why is Russia supposed to be our enemy again, like nobody gave a gently caress about them when they were shooting down airliners but now we're ready to gently caress them up because the IT guys for the DNC are incompetent products of nepotism? Seriously? The current sanctions were a direct result of their moves in Crimea and Ukraine; it's pretty ballsy for any country to just annex whole areas of sovereign states and not expect any pushback from the West. Plus, even before that, Russia was using it's enormous oil and gas reserves to outright blackmail Western Europe into submission. Add in the fact that Putin has jailed or assassinated political rivals and is basically a dictator, with the acquiescence of the Russian people, you get a scenario where Russia is really not anybody's friend or ally; everything for Russia is a partnership of convenience. The only thing worse than a Russia under Putin will be a Russia under the hard right wing ideologue that takes over after him.
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docbeard posted:But I'd still be surprised if coverage were anything but a bunch of reporters hanging round outside the Fortress of Electitude* waiting for a sign. white smoke!! we have white smoke!!
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https://twitter.com/paulkrugman/status/810539127783518208 https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/810511398912610304 Really looking forward to Hillary 2020.
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Montasque posted:https://twitter.com/paulkrugman/status/810539127783518208
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Montasque posted:https://twitter.com/paulkrugman/status/810539127783518208 lolling how Clinton bootlickers like Krugman are now turning on her because she lost to Trump
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That reads like he's criticizing people saying anything was her fault ever
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Anime Schoolgirl posted:looking forward to the dissolution of the democratic party in 2020 good
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SpaceGoku posted:a funny thing would be if there are faithless electors You probably are joking but Colorado's electors are threatening to do just that and the state is not amused e: They are trying to vote for a repub alternative but still
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Do you guys think Hillary fainting on 9/11 was a bad omen
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merry exmarx posted:Do you guys think Hillary fainting on 9/11 was a bad omen She was just overheated, because it was so warm.
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merry exmarx posted:Do you guys think Hillary fainting on 9/11 was a bad omen I thought she was literally going to die because it was like "oh no problem just a li'l pneumonia  " and it's like, well, pneumonia's not really a diagnosis, it's a symptom and it kills a fuckload of people
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