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Serf
May 5, 2011


*EXT. - Night, Castle Clinton (not that one). A car pulls up to the grand double doors and a hooded figure sweeps up the steps into the marble foyer. Down hallways of dark wood and windows with curtains drawn against the silent electric eyes floating out there in the night. The figure is ushered into a room by a pair of men in suits, their weapons held at the ready. The figure kneels before a canopy bed. A hand, so thin and skeletal that one questions whether it is alive or animated by unearthly forces draws back the curtain. Inside, the figure rises up as best she can. She is Hillary Rodham Clinton, kept alive somehow, whether by machines or magics we do not know.*

CLINTON: It is good you have come to me. I knew you would... daughter...

*beneath the hood, CHELSEA CLINTON bows her head further in deference or disgust, we do not know*

CLINTON: The primaries are coming... There must always be a Clinton in Washington...*

CHELSEA: As you wish.

*Inception horns*

ED: Balls

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Captain_Maclaine
Sep 30, 2001

Every moment that I'm alive, I pray for death!

The Nastier Nate posted:

Bernie Sanders has spent his life keeping a seat in a blue state OUT of democratic hands, and if Hillary had won, then the democrats could have told him to gently caress off back to Vermont as proof they didn't need his progressive wing in the party.

Bernie has a pretty good relationship with the VT Democratic Party and while he and they aren't 100% aligned, both tend to back one another in what elsewhere would be a rare case of solidarity against the right. I wouldn't say his career has been at Democratic expense.

HiHo ChiRho posted:

I'm sorry for your loss :(

He'd been wheelchair-bound and just this side of paralyzed for years before we even met, but still it sucks. He was a good guy.

Concerned Citizen
Jul 22, 2007
Ramrod XTreme

loquacius posted:

Sheldon Whitehouse sucks though

what do you have against sheldon whitehouse??

Thoguh
Nov 8, 2002

College Slice
Focusing on how Hillary almost won and might have pulled it off if she'd done a couple of things different ignores the fact that the person she lost to was Donald J Trump. And that the democrats were firmly rejected at almost all levels, not just the presidency. The problem is both the messenger and the message itself.

Thoguh has issued a correction as of 19:10 on Dec 20, 2016

Anime Schoolgirl
Nov 28, 2002

Serf posted:

*EXT. - Night, Castle Clinton (not that one). A car pulls up to the grand double doors and a hooded figure sweeps up the steps into the marble foyer. Down hallways of dark wood and windows with curtains drawn against the silent electric eyes floating out there in the night. The figure is ushered into a room by a pair of men in suits, their weapons held at the ready. The figure kneels before a canopy bed. A hand, so thin and skeletal that one questions whether it is alive or animated by unearthly forces draws back the curtain. Inside, the figure rises up as best she can. She is Hillary Rodham Clinton, kept alive somehow, whether by machines or magics we do not know.*

CLINTON: It is good you have come to me. I knew you would... daughter...

*beneath the hood, CHELSEA CLINTON bows her head further in deference or disgust, we do not know*

CLINTON: The primaries are coming... There must always be a Clinton in Washington...*

CHELSEA: As you wish.

*Inception horns*

ED: Balls

:five:

Captain_Maclaine posted:

Bernie has a pretty good relationship with the VT Democratic Party and while he and they aren't 100% aligned, both tend to back one another in what elsewhere would be a rare case of solidarity against the right. I wouldn't say his career has been at Democratic expense.
also wasn't he constantly denied entry to the party back in the 80's because he just wasn't what they were looking for (reaganites)?

Lastgirl
Sep 7, 1997


Good Morning!
Sunday Morning!

crazy cloud posted:

Nobody has been able to, deservedly, factually, or otherwise, claim that they lost because Russia interfered. Podesta declined to call the election free and fair as recently as a few days ago, if they're allowed to make the loss about Russia being dicks instead of their own r-bomb strategies and algorithms, she could totally run for the nom in 2020 and win the primary




keyword being primary (with connects)

Fritz Coldcockin
Nov 7, 2005

crazy cloud posted:

Nobody has been able to, deservedly, factually, or otherwise, claim that they lost because Russia interfered. Podesta declined to call the election free and fair as recently as a few days ago, if they're allowed to make the loss about Russia being dicks instead of their own r-bomb strategies and algorithms, she could totally run for the nom in 2020 and win the primary

I'd argue it wasn't free and fair because several states passed voter ID laws that prevented "undesirables" from voting.

Russia didn't hack the vote counts, it simply took advantage of the Clinton campaign's idiocy and poured lemon juice on some self-inflicted wounds.

sexpig by night
Sep 8, 2011

by Azathoth

loquacius posted:

Sheldon Whitehouse sucks though


no it was a shitpost, this is C-SPAM

I couldn't back that up and wouldn't say it in D&D, it was intentional hyperbole

I do legit think she wouldn't have given him a cabinet job if she'd won though

sorry man but that's kinda in line with your actual serious posts so I got confused. My bad, though.

I do agree she wouldn't have given him a job but honestly I think that's a pretty good thing considering where he is in the senate and all. You can afford to get good 'mercy' points with people like Clinton because you're not taking her out of a seat or whatever, with Sanders you'd lose a progressive voice with some actual authority in the senate when you can probably find a similar aligned person to take a cabinet seat and leave him where he is. Like, remember the hilarious attack ad of 'If Clinton wins, BERNIE SANDERS will be in charge of the budget' or whatever.

Concerned Citizen
Jul 22, 2007
Ramrod XTreme

Captain_Maclaine posted:

Bernie has a pretty good relationship with the VT Democratic Party and while he and they aren't 100% aligned, both tend to back one another in what elsewhere would be a rare case of solidarity against the right. I wouldn't say his career has been at Democratic expense.

chuck schumer actually cleared the field for bernie to take that senate seat in the first place, ensuring no democrat ran to split the vote.

loquacius
Oct 21, 2008

Concerned Citizen posted:

what do you have against sheldon whitehouse??

He got his Senate seat by running in 2006 and pointing out repeatedly that Lincoln Chafee was not a Democrat, and since then has been thoroughly bland and roughly centrist

Also for all I don't think Chafee should have gone anywhere near a federal-level campaign I like the big lug and am prone to defending him irrationally

sexpig by night
Sep 8, 2011

by Azathoth
Also yea, Sanders 'keeps' the seat away from a democrat' literally only in party ID only. The dude caucuses with Democrats and has tons of connections with the DNC leadership helping him keep his seat. It's a Dem seat that makes some people in Vermont feel a little smug about being able to say 'actually I voted INDEPENDENT :smug:'

crazy cloud
Nov 7, 2012

by Cyrano4747
Lipstick Apathy

Concerned Citizen posted:

what do you have against sheldon whitehouse??

wheldon



shite house

Lastgirl
Sep 7, 1997


Good Morning!
Sunday Morning!
[chews on nib of glasses while scribbling on notepad]

i think we made some progress with the democrat therapy thread

hell last month we were like "clinton is toxic for the party, she'll never run again lmbo" to "she can run in 2020"

[steeples fingers]

big step today, keep up the good work

HiHo ChiRho
Oct 23, 2010

Serf posted:

*EXT. - Night, Castle Clinton (not that one). A car pulls up to the grand double doors and a hooded figure sweeps up the steps into the marble foyer. Down hallways of dark wood and windows with curtains drawn against the silent electric eyes floating out there in the night. The figure is ushered into a room by a pair of men in suits, their weapons held at the ready. The figure kneels before a canopy bed. A hand, so thin and skeletal that one questions whether it is alive or animated by unearthly forces draws back the curtain. Inside, the figure rises up as best she can. She is Hillary Rodham Clinton, kept alive somehow, whether by machines or magics we do not know.*

CLINTON: It is good you have come to me. I knew you would... daughter...

*beneath the hood, CHELSEA CLINTON bows her head further in deference or disgust, we do not know*

CLINTON: The primaries are coming... There must always be a Clinton in Washington...*

CHELSEA: As you wish.

*Inception horns*

ED: Balls

Somehow I am imagining Bram Strokers Dracula and Mook plays a whinier version of Tom Waits character.

GlyphGryph
Jun 23, 2013

Down came the glitches and burned us in ditches and we slept after eating our dead.

loquacius posted:

Also for all I don't think Chafee should have gone anywhere near a federal-level campaign I like the big lug and am prone to defending him irrationally

Anime Schoolgirl
Nov 28, 2002

Lastgirl posted:

[chews on nib of glasses while scribbling on notepad]

i think we made some progress with the democrat therapy thread

hell last month we were like "clinton is toxic for the party, she'll never run again lmbo" to "she can run in 2020"

[steeples fingers]

big step today, keep up the good work
we're not saying that as if it's a good thing though it's more like "she might run in 2020 :cripes:"

paranoid randroid
Mar 4, 2007

crazy cloud posted:

wheldon



shite house

scoop, if true

Captain_Maclaine
Sep 30, 2001

Every moment that I'm alive, I pray for death!

Anime Schoolgirl posted:

:five:

also wasn't he constantly denied entry to the party back in the 80's because he just wasn't what they were looking for (reaganites)?

I dunno, probably? That's far enough back that though I've been a political nerd my whole life I wasn't paying close enough attention.

Concerned Citizen posted:

chuck schumer actually cleared the field for bernie to take that senate seat in the first place, ensuring no democrat ran to split the vote.

That too.

Nonsense
Jan 26, 2007

I'm not even hostile towards Hillary's money-minded fan base. I'm hostile towards people like Hillarys who smell their own farts and hire Mooks, because how could she lose? Oh and she gets to make Mook's daddy or mommy proud and doing the Mook family a favor she can call in later, since the guy would have had her WIN on his resume. There was no other reason for him to have been chosen.

Sheldon Whitehouse has a redundant name, and could never be president.

Lastgirl
Sep 7, 1997


Good Morning!
Sunday Morning!

Anime Schoolgirl posted:

we're not saying that as if it's a good thing though it's more like "she might run in 2020 :cripes:"

hrmm

[scribbles out something in notepad, crumples up paper and throws it into the waste bin. Folds glasses and puts it on shirt collar with a deep sigh. Pauses for a moment to rub temples then works way to squeeze bridge of nose with index and thumb]

Well only you can help yourself at the end of the day.

Here's a prescription for valium because you seem unusually calm about this, so its just a precaution once the creeping realization sets in that she doomed the party again with her selfish ambition.

[scribbles allover the notepad furiously]

Segmentation Fault
Jun 7, 2012

Elephant Ambush posted:

I'm the guy telling all the black families with dead unarmed teenagers that we have to make sure the poor rural white people get taken care of first before we can think about addressing the killings of unarmed black teenagers.

I'm the guy ignoring that income inequality disproportionately effects people of color and that in aggregate black people will benefit more than white people will through wealth redistribution, in order to make some hackneyed point about race relations because racism is completely separate from class you guys, im an idpol idiot a durrhurrhurr gently caress you shitcunt

(USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)

Lastgirl
Sep 7, 1997


Good Morning!
Sunday Morning!
"You're a motherfucker."

"That's PRESIDENT Motherfucker to you!!!!"

Ace of Baes
Jul 7, 1977
Please lock Hillary in a shipping container and send her to a deserted island with only food, water, and the books that are going to be written about how badly she hosed the country. But not her glasses

paranoid randroid
Mar 4, 2007
im the guy making a post in this kind of Carlos Mencia voice where i imitate a big ol dummy

tower time
Jul 30, 2008




GlyphGryph posted:

I honestly wouldn't mind if raising children was genuinely a state-sponsored "job" and it was seen as acceptable for people to receive money in exchange for dedicating their lives to raising the next generation of our countrymen.

Is this something leftists are supposed to oppose? I'm not really sure.

In the past certain branches of marxist and socialist feminism proposed the state pay women to raise children/act as homemakers as it provides a social contribution. It largely fell out of favor for the left under criticisms that it would reinforce women's role as primary caretaker of children, materially favored heterosexual women, and/or would culturally be used to keep women out of the workplace and in a subservient role.

GlyphGryph
Jun 23, 2013

Down came the glitches and burned us in ditches and we slept after eating our dead.
I'm the guy requesting that all posts in this thread start with "I'm the guy"

Anime Schoolgirl
Nov 28, 2002

i'm the guy who should be preparing for a trip to :japan: but instead i just sit at the computer typing posts because motivation deficit

Concerned Citizen
Jul 22, 2007
Ramrod XTreme

loquacius posted:

He got his Senate seat by running in 2006 and pointing out repeatedly that Lincoln Chafee was not a Democrat, and since then has been thoroughly bland and roughly centrist

Also for all I don't think Chafee should have gone anywhere near a federal-level campaign I like the big lug and am prone to defending him irrationally

i mean he's certainly not exciting, but i don't see how he's centrist. off the top of my head, i can't think of a single time he's voted anything but with the left. and though it's not a high standard, he's certainly the best elected official in rhode island.

logikv9
Mar 5, 2009


Ham Wrangler
name your children president so that they are already president

paranoid randroid
Mar 4, 2007
itt we are the guy

Concerned Citizen
Jul 22, 2007
Ramrod XTreme

logikv9 posted:

name your children president so that they are already president

President Whitehouse for President.

Ace of Baes
Jul 7, 1977

tower time posted:

In the past certain branches of marxist and socialist feminism proposed the state pay women to raise children/act as homemakers as it provides a social contribution. It largely fell out of favor for the left under criticisms that it would reinforce women's role as primary caretaker of children, materially favored heterosexual women, and/or would culturally be used to keep women out of the workplace and in a subservient role.

Couldn't you solve that be allowing either gender to be entitled to the "parent" job? I mean were going to get to maternity/paternity leave well before we subsidize raising children, so the pregnancy aspect seems kind of moot in relation to it.

loquacius
Oct 21, 2008

Tatum Girlparts posted:

sorry man but that's kinda in line with your actual serious posts so I got confused. My bad, though.

I do agree she wouldn't have given him a job but honestly I think that's a pretty good thing considering where he is in the senate and all. You can afford to get good 'mercy' points with people like Clinton because you're not taking her out of a seat or whatever, with Sanders you'd lose a progressive voice with some actual authority in the senate when you can probably find a similar aligned person to take a cabinet seat and leave him where he is. Like, remember the hilarious attack ad of 'If Clinton wins, BERNIE SANDERS will be in charge of the budget' or whatever.

Yeah it's cool, it was kind of a borderline post. And I agree he'd probably do more damage in the senate but I've been thinking that a unity ticket might have done wonders for HRC's credibility (and kept Trump from trying to use Bernie's primary loss as a weapon against her) and she should have at least given him a call to chat about the possibility (he has said in interviews that he received no such call). I don't think she would have given Obama that courtesy, either.

tower time posted:

In the past certain branches of marxist and socialist feminism proposed the state pay women to raise children/act as homemakers as it provides a social contribution. It largely fell out of favor for the left under criticisms that it would reinforce women's role as primary caretaker of children, materially favored heterosexual women, and/or would culturally be used to keep women out of the workplace and in a subservient role.

see, social justice and economic justice ARE fundamentally opposed :shepface:

logikv9
Mar 5, 2009


Ham Wrangler
i only assign part of the blame to Hillary, mostly for hiring people based on loyalty vs absolute skill (although most people do this and judging from her history with hires deciding to go all nuts on her I'm not surprised)

Thoguh
Nov 8, 2002

College Slice

Lastgirl posted:

"You're a motherfucker."

"That's PRESIDENT Motherfucker to you!!!!"

Please don't doxx Trump's internal monologue like that.

Serf
May 5, 2011


*INT. - THE DNC HEADQUARTERS - DAY. Our heroes BERNIE SANDERS and KEITH ELLISON are being led down the hall by newfound ally CHUCK SCHUMER.*

SCHUMER: So you see we're a small operation. We're hoping that you can change that, Keith. We're very open to hearing your ideas.

SANDERS: So you're going to keep the election fair?

SCHUMER: Yes, of course. Why wouldn't we?

*the group arrives at the doors to the conference room*

ELLISON: Aren't you afraid that I'll change things too much and scare off your Wall Street investors?

SCHUMER: That's always a danger looming over our heads. But things have developed that will insure security. I've just made a deal that will keep us safe forever.

*the doors open, revealing BARACK OBAMA standing at the head of the table, with TOM PEREZ standing off to his side. Faster than the blink of an eye ELLISON attempts to appeal to the working class, but OBAMA raises a hand, deflecting the argument harmlessly into the wall.*

OBAMA: We would be honored if you would join us.

SCHUMER: I'm sorry, I had no choice. They've been here all along!

ELLISON: I'm sorry too.

Lastgirl
Sep 7, 1997


Good Morning!
Sunday Morning!

logikv9 posted:

i only assign part of the blame to Hillary, mostly for hiring people based on loyalty vs absolute skill (although most people do this and judging from her history with hires deciding to go all nuts on her I'm not surprised)

im the girl that consistently imagined hillary surrounded by a team of hotshot people on fancy bluetooths, suits, and briefcases yes-manning the hell out of her the entire year.

logikv9
Mar 5, 2009


Ham Wrangler
pence seems like the type of guy who would totally try and engineer trump's downfall if his approval ratings really crashed and burned

Rangpur
Dec 31, 2008

logikv9 posted:

i only assign part of the blame to Hillary, mostly for hiring people based on loyalty vs absolute skill (although most people do this and judging from her history with hires deciding to go all nuts on her I'm not surprised)
Not that I really need an excuse to bag on the Clintons' hiring practices but I'm morbidly curious about what you mean by that.

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sexpig by night
Sep 8, 2011

by Azathoth

Lastgirl posted:

im the girl that consistently imagined hillary surrounded by a team of hotshot people on fancy bluetooths, suits, and briefcases yes-manning the hell out of her the entire year.

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