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OldMemes posted:For me, Star Wars has always been about the characters - not the ten billion EU characters, but the main ones. I mean, there's lots of great fun stuff in the original films, but we get to like Luke as he grows from frustrated farm boy to hero, or Han as he grows from selfish hustler to a rogue with a heart of gold. That's what TFA nailed - Finn, Rey and Poe are likable characters and enjoyed watching their adventures and I'm interested in seeing what happens to them next in Episode 8. The prequel films had dull characters who had no personality, aside from being annoying or angry. For about the hundredth time in this thread alonethat's why KOTOR II is still so good. The plot is fine and solid except the ending literally being non-existent but its all the characters that really, really drive it. Pretty much everyone, even T3, has a shitload of personality and are wonderful to interact with and get to know better. Though it's par for the course that Obsidian would write some of the best characters ever in any game. And like you said, it's the characters that have always driven Star Wars. I sort of agree with them too about the action in IV, V and VI being the least memorable stuff. I always remember Old Ben and how he talked with reverence about Anakin, the wonderful and fun romance with Leia and Han in ESB and the lightsabers honestly being the least important part of the duel between Vader and Luke in RotJ, all their character dynamics plus the Emperor trying to pull the strings, Anakin's redemption, etc. OldMemes posted:Rogue One looked pretty, and the third act was really good with the battle stuff, but the characters weren't interesting. We were given reasons and character moments to care about Rey, what was Jyn's character? What made her team special? They weren't a ragtag group of colourful misfits, they felt like faceless random people shoved together. It's a shame, because it was a really well made film with a great cast, but it felt filler-y and I found myself not caring that much until the final act. If you haven't watched it Star Wars Rebels does an excellent job with characters too. Sort of usual fare for Star Wars stuff but it's a really drat solid show.
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Neddy Seagoon posted:The real surprise of the comic is that Tracer can take that chest-mounted rig off. The general implication til now has been that that's the only thing keeping her from phasing randomly through time and space. Tracula posted:I was expecting Zarya to be lesbian or possibly Sombra but it being Tracer is definitely out of left-field in a good way. Am curious though if they're gonna make any of the male characters bi/gay at some point.
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Dec 21, 2016 02:33
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I'm on team Zarya/Mei except one of them is also trans and I don't care which.
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OldMemes posted:Can anyone explain the AVGN Christmas special? I don't get the joke at all, and I normally really like the AVGN Christmas episodes. The joke is Keith Apicary's shtick, which is falling over a lot.
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Tracula posted:If you haven't watched it Star Wars Rebels does an excellent job with characters too. Sort of usual fare for Star Wars stuff but it's a really drat solid show. The real surprise of Star Wars: Rebels has been the overarching antagonist of Season 3, even if he hasn't popped up much yet; It's motherfucking Grand Admiral Thrawn  .(He hasn't been seen much because he's not a villain to be clowned on weekly. He's the guy a tier up where, if he gets involved/turns up in person, just getting away alive is a win.)
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cat doter posted:yeah, tracer being the unexpected gay character actually owns? she's practically a symbol of the game's entire aesthetic ideals, that they would make her gay is unexpected and cool She is also the poster child of the entire franchise, this is a huge HUGE deal, there is a LGBT character on the box of the game of the year. who cares if she is not scaring men. Cyron fucked around with this message at 04:19 on Dec 21, 2016 |
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also framing a female character's sexuality around a male's reaction to it is really stupid?
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Neddy Seagoon posted:The real surprise of the comic is that Tracer can take that chest-mounted rig off. The general implication til now has been that that's the only thing keeping her from phasing randomly through time and space. There's been a bunch of obvious changes in the lore as the shorts and other materials came out. Like the comic shows Widowmaker mourning her husband when it was originally established she's completely mindwiped (in general they've dialled back Reapers section of Talon from straight cartoon villains to well intentioned extremists of a sort with silly hints of a true evil organization working in the background)
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I had to see it in 3D, which mutes the color and puts a haze on everything. With that look the cg Cushing looked pretty good. I was confused into shock for a moment seeing him turn around. Politically speaking, I'm not too thrilled about hollywood being able to make credible-looking puppets out of the dead. I love Peter Cushing. I don't want some MBA scum driving him around. Carrie Fisher still looked like poo poo.
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cat doter posted:also framing a female character's sexuality around a male's reaction to it is really stupid? as is framing the treatment of lgbt people around whether or not it is challenging to straight men, rather than around being positive for lgbt people like common loving sense dictates mcintosh is a dummy
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Jack Gladney posted:I had to see it in 3D, which mutes the color and puts a haze on everything. With that look the cg Cushing looked pretty good. I was confused into shock for a moment seeing him turn around. Politically speaking, I'm not too thrilled about hollywood being able to make credible-looking puppets out of the dead. I love Peter Cushing. I don't want some MBA scum driving him around. God. At least it wasn't young P. Stew from the bad Wolverine movie. That was creepy as poo poo. (might be off but I -think- that's where they did some strange de-aged bullshit?)
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They did a pretty good job for the terrible 3rd movie. He looked like he just walked off the set of Star Trek or Dune or Zack Snyder's favorite film Excalibur.
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I know this is sad, but I was reading the comments for Jim Sterling's GOTY video and goddamn Jim saying if he gave Uncharted 4 GOTY he would have to give it to Quantum Break too since they are the same game. 
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Do not even ask posted:The joke is Keith Apicary's shtick, which is falling over a lot. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAtrkMGNp0o
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McIntosh is still right on the money about Tracer being the safest choice for not offending the straight male fanbase. Zarya would have been worse in terms of stereotyping, but I think what McIntosh is getting at is that it would have been a more interesting move if, say, one of the cool badass dudes had been revealed as non-straight. Like, give Reaper a boyfriend, and people would have unholy conniptions.
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DStecks posted:McIntosh is still right on the money about Tracer being the safest choice for not offending the straight male fanbase. Zarya would have been worse in terms of stereotyping, but I think what McIntosh is getting at is that it would have been a more interesting move if, say, one of the cool badass dudes had been revealed as non-straight. Like, give Reaper a boyfriend, and people would have unholy conniptions. while not wrong, it's stupid and counter-intuitive to bitch about a good thing for not going far enough EDIT: Roth posted:I think framing everything around how straight males will react to it is kinda missing the point of representation entirely. exactly Augus fucked around with this message at 05:58 on Dec 21, 2016 |
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I think framing everything around how straight males will react to it is kinda missing the point of representation entirely.
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Roth posted:I think framing everything around how straight males will react to it is kinda missing the point of representation entirely. we must show our wokeness by thinking 'what about the straight white guys though' in response to everything, only then will we...stop designing things around straight white guys???
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Which Best of the Worst episode had Mike and Rich having a huge struggle in the background for almost ten minutes while Jay and the others talked without noticing? I think it was one with Jim and Colin on it.
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Arcsquad12 posted:Which Best of the Worst episode had Mike and Rich having a huge struggle in the background for almost ten minutes while Jay and the others talked without noticing? I think it was one with Jim and Colin on it. If it's what I think you mean, Rich and Mike fight over Mike's giant flask while Jay and Josh talk about how much Robert Ginty wants to gently caress his sister. Jim and Colin are not involved.
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Alacron posted:If it's what I think you mean, Rich and Mike fight over Mike's giant flask while Jay and Josh talk about how much Robert Ginty wants to gently caress his sister. Jim and Colin are not involved. Yes, it's that one. Thanks!
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DStecks posted:McIntosh is still right on the money about Tracer being the safest choice for not offending the straight male fanbase. Zarya would have been worse in terms of stereotyping, but I think what McIntosh is getting at is that it would have been a more interesting move if, say, one of the cool badass dudes had been revealed as non-straight. Like, give Reaper a boyfriend, and people would have unholy conniptions. OTOH, a lot of my lesbian buds are celebrating this because there's almost no lesbian representation for protags in most nerd media, outside of straight up porn, and here it's the mascot, in a very sweet, normal couple. Like yeah, there are more daring options, but there's enough of a dearth that throwing people a more prosaic bone is still pretty freaking welcome. The whole thing stinks of the problem I keep seeing in a lot of social justice criticism, where things always need to be better, and we're not allowed to be happy that things got slightly better, because they're not better enough. (They will never be better enough, because better enough would require reality to warp so that social justice movements were no longer necessary.) (Also OH NO LADIES INTO LADIES NOW HAVE REPRESENTATION OF SOMEONE HOT THEY MIGHT WANT TO BE/SMOOCH SOMEONE TELL THEM THEY CAN'T ENJOY IT BECAUSE DUDES INTO LADIES ENJOY IT.)
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I still wish it had been a dude both for one, gay rear end homo reporting, two, it'd still be funnier to watch terrible shitheads sperg out even harder. Really though I just wish they'd gone for a double whammy of Roadhog + Junkrat for maximum Road Warrior gay  Roth posted:It's not over yet Yesssssssssss Yardbomb fucked around with this message at 08:16 on Dec 21, 2016 |
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Yardbomb posted:I still wish it had been a dude both for one, gay rear end homo reporting, two, it'd still be funnier to watch terrible shitheads sperg out even harder. Don't worry https://www.pinknews.co.uk/2016/12/20/overwatch-officially-reveals-first-lgbt-character-after-saying-there-are-multiple-in-the-game/ It's not over yet 
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achillesforever6 posted:I know this is sad, but I was reading the comments for Jim Sterling's GOTY video and goddamn Jim saying if he gave Uncharted 4 GOTY he would have to give it to Quantum Break too since they are the same game. Sterling has, for reasons I don't understand, decided that Uncharted fans need to be trolled at every turn and has filled this year by saying bizarre things about Uncharted 4 despite actually liking the game and giving it a positive review.
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Yardbomb posted:I still wish it had been a dude both for one, gay rear end homo reporting, two, it'd still be funnier to watch terrible shitheads sperg out even harder.
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Deport The Irish posted:Sterling has, for reasons I don't understand, decided that Uncharted fans need to be trolled at every turn and has filled this year by saying bizarre things about Uncharted 4 despite actually liking the game and giving it a positive review. he has a storied history of giving the games positive reviews and then fans getting pissed at him for not being positive enough
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Deport The Irish posted:Sterling has, for reasons I don't understand, decided that Uncharted fans need to be trolled at every turn and has filled this year by saying bizarre things about Uncharted 4 despite actually liking the game and giving it a positive review.
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You don't remember how people gave critics massive poo poo for rating uncharted 3 lower than 2's score? Naughty Dog's fan base is full of crazies. They don't crop up too much because ND takes some time between releases but they howl hard when they see a supposed foul.
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Terrible Opinions posted:I'd prefer not if only because I hate companies playing into the whole dumb "if two characters are friends that means thy must secretly be loving" thing the Internet does. Like if either or both of them are gay that's fine, but I'd prefer if that didn't also mean they were romantically involved. One opinion I heard was that it was a good idea to make Tracer's GF a one-off side character rather than another member of Overwatch, and that it might not hurt to follow suit with the rest of the cast. Also, since it bears repeating: Augus posted:mcintosh is a dummy Max Wilco fucked around with this message at 09:59 on Dec 21, 2016 |
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Terrible Opinions posted:I'd prefer not if only because I hate companies playing into the whole dumb "if two characters are friends that means thy must secretly be loving" thing the Internet does. Like if either or both of them are gay that's fine, but I'd prefer if that didn't also mean they were romantically involved. Blizzard actually fired two shots at the fandom with the latest comic; The second being Pharah off having a pleasant romantic Christmas dinner with one of her comrades-in-arms during the single-panel vignettes at the end, in stark contrast to the fanbase's rabid obsession about her and Mercy being an item.
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Neddy Seagoon posted:Blizzard actually fired two shots at the fandom with the latest comic; The second being Pharah off having a pleasant romantic Christmas dinner with one of her comrades-in-arms during the single-panel vignettes at the end, in stark contrast to the fanbase's rabid obsession about her and Mercy being an item. There's also a subtle implication that Mercy and Genji are at least somewhat close as you see her writing a letter earlier than him reading one on the same xmas stationary.
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Terrible Opinions posted:It' a running joke in response to one particularly bombastic angry comment to his Uncharted review. He gave it the same score he had previously given to one of the okay recent Sonic games and so the commenter went on for a big about how that made them the same game in Jim's eyes. Something people gave Jim poo poo for YEARS was that he didn't care for Mario Kart 7 as much as other critics (7/10 I think?) and thought Vanquish was mediocre but he loved Modern Warfare 3. It was amusing to see every goddamn article he posted on Destructoid have the same comments trying to invalidate his opinion because he gave X game Y score therefore he's wrong forever.
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Neddy Seagoon posted:Blizzard actually fired two shots at the fandom with the latest comic; The second being Pharah off having a pleasant romantic Christmas dinner with one of her comrades-in-arms during the single-panel vignettes at the end, in stark contrast to the fanbase's rabid obsession about her and Mercy being an item. A lot of the early pairings tended to be in line with the dynamics of the characters in game, since there wasn't much in the way of story for a lot of people.
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Tracula posted:Something people gave Jim poo poo for YEARS was that he didn't care for Mario Kart 7 as much as other critics (7/10 I think?) and thought Vanquish was mediocre but he loved Modern Warfare 3. It was amusing to see every goddamn article he posted on Destructoid have the same comments trying to invalidate his opinion because he gave X game Y score therefore he's wrong forever. People are also furious with him for recently not liking Last Guardian, and even more blasphemous in their eyes, giving Dead Rising 4 a higher score on the same day.
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Mokinokaro posted:There's also a subtle implication that Mercy and Genji are at least somewhat close as you see her writing a letter earlier than him reading one on the same xmas stationary. im not into overwatch lore but isnt mercy the person that gave genji his magical robot body?
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