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logikv9 posted:can we get a liberal version of infowars, this stuff would look great on the homepage Its called CNN i think e: ed balls ed balls eduardo pelotas
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personally i dont see what point there is in immediately assuming that signs of support from moderates are insincere and cynical, because that immediately sabotages your ability to accomplish anything, even by the narrow standards of working within the political establishment
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Tight Booty Shorts posted:Its called CNN i think oh i'm sorry i meant leftist usuncut is probably the best bet
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i forgot there are differences in terms that are incredibly important that 85% of americans are unaware of and don't give a gently caress
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Dec 21, 2016 21:51
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GlyphGryph posted:If Ellison somehow manages to lead the party to success I think Schumer will continue to back him all the way though. If you're going to engage, take the same approach one would when replying to obdicut: Be as clear and concise as absolutely possible to minimize the ways in which your poo poo can be misread. If you don't then it's your own fault what happens.
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logikv9 posted:i forgot there are differences in terms that are incredibly important that 85% of americans are unaware of and don't give a gently caress Yikes I wasn't even talking about the different terms lol
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GlyphGryph posted:If Ellison somehow manages to lead the party to success I think Schumer will continue to back him all the way though. RENEGADE CUCKSKY posted:someone quote me in like 3 years: also bonus quote from some weirdo assigning random motivations to future events that won't even happen but he's just gotta churn out this fanfic quote:Perez seems like that sort of person, so if he wins I expect a lot of folks to be whinging constantly about how we're "turning" on a "progressive friend of labour" a lot, and then pushing Booker as the solution since obviously even the left has rejected "progressives".
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Dec 21, 2016 21:53
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logikv9 posted:can we get a liberal version of infowars, this stuff would look great on the homepage isn't it democracy now!
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like jeez even if the basic principle of the relationship is both parties expecting the other to shank them, grab real tight hold of them so that if you go down you take them with you. dont just slap their hand aside and shout gently caress YOU PIG.
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GlyphGryph posted:If Ellison somehow manages to lead the party to success I think Schumer will continue to back him all the way though. Agreed, because he's a politician and knows which side his bread is buttered on. But as soon as any whiff of actually progressivism that could have a tiny chance of possibly impacting the bottom line of his corporate sponsors hits the scene, watch how fast the knives come out. paranoid randroid posted:personally i dont see what point there is in immediately assuming that signs of support from moderates are insincere and cynical, because that immediately sabotages your ability to accomplish anything, even by the narrow standards of working within the political establishment is there some reason I can't see them as insincere parasites and yet still say that we should work with them?
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Lastgirl posted:isn't it democracy now! ugh you guys need to work on better news branding
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logikv9 posted:can we get a liberal version of infowars, this stuff would look great on the homepage its called rachal maddow
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paranoid randroid posted:like jeez even if the basic principle of the relationship is both parties expecting the other to shank them, grab real tight hold of them so that if you go down you take them with you. dont just slap their hand aside and shout gently caress YOU PIG. well i mean that's half the point of putting that stuff out there to me. gotta be prepared to cuff yourself to them when the knife goes in.
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Oh Snapple! posted:If you're going to engage, take the same approach one would when replying to obdicut: Be as clear and concise as absolutely possible to minimize the ways in which your poo poo can be misread. Gene Hackman Fan posted:PSA: Stop engaging with tastrom garmprats. wow you guys need... rules of engagement
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Baloogan posted:wow you guys need... rule #1: there are no rules! *starts shooting* https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0ZUfyLWrSE&t=39s
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RENEGADE CUCKSKY posted:
There's a lot of truth to the bolded part. Unfortunately, there's not a lot of rabid racist paranoid delusional hatred on the left, like there was and is on the right that created the current political climate. Your base has to be absolutely scared shitless and desperate to accomplish the sort of wave election that elected Trump and that sort of desperation just doesn't exist on the left; mainly because most people just don't understand how modern politics affects their lives. Trump's policies are going to have to actually hurt a lot of people before they are going to be convinced to become active.
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radical meme posted:Trump's policies are going to have to actually hurt a lot of people before they are going to be convinced to become active. well boy have i got good news for you
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Dec 21, 2016 21:59
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Tatum Girlparts posted:also bonus quote from some weirdo assigning random motivations to future events that won't even happen but he's just gotta churn out this fanfic That doesn't say what you think it does
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Dec 21, 2016 22:01
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GlyphGryph posted:That doesn't say what you think it does were you not just weirdly assuming that if Perez wins (he won't) those whiny babies will complain about anyone criticizing him until they make it acceptable to just run booker like apparently they deeply deeply want to do?
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paranoid randroid posted:personally i dont see what point there is in immediately assuming that signs of support from moderates are insincere and cynical, because that immediately sabotages your ability to accomplish anything, even by the narrow standards of working within the political establishment How does it sabotage our ability to accomplish, that's a weird assertation considering the conclusion to "assuming support from moderates (as if) are insincere and cynical" should be "so keep fighting, keep working on gaining power you can leverage, keep an eye on them and hold them accountable, and if you get a leadership role then try your best to lead the party to victory". Like where is the actual sabotage.
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logikv9 posted:ugh you guys need to work on better news branding i like the Now part what if we  there
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Dec 21, 2016 22:05
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RENEGADE CUCKSKY posted:just a quick history lesson for y'all: I think it might actually be possible because of how they barley crushed Sander's disorganized campaign in the primaries. i think if we organize from the ground up we can take over the structures of the party.
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Tatum Girlparts posted:were you not just weirdly assuming that if Perez wins (he won't) those whiny babies will complain about anyone criticizing him until they make it acceptable to just run booker like apparently they deeply deeply want to do? the whiny babies was you and yeah I expect if he wins (I'm not going to assume victory because doing that is dumb, see: Hillary Clinton) you're gonna be whining a lot about us criticizing Perez. Are you gonna claim you won't whine about us criticizing Perez should that happen?
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logikv9 posted:ugh you guys need to work on better news branding dont look at me, im independent for a reason 
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GlyphGryph posted:Like where is the actual sabotage. if ur attempting to organize within the party and go around assuming that enemies constantly surround you and your prima facie is that betrayal is inevitable, ur never going to accomplish anything and will probably only succeed in marginalizing yourself
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paranoid randroid posted:if ur attempting to organize within the party and go around assuming that enemies constantly surround you and your prima facie is that betrayal is inevitable, ur never going to accomplish anything and will probably only succeed in marginalizing yourself I'm not buying it, even the way you're warping it, in a world where Nixon got to be President. GlyphGryph has issued a correction as of 22:11 on Dec 21, 2016 |
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GlyphGryph posted:the whiny babies was you and yeah I expect if he wins (I'm not going to assume victory because doing that is dumb, see: Hillary Clinton) you're gonna be whining a lot about us criticizing Perez. I mean, I'm not gonna sign some blood oath to agree with every criticism you have about him in this parallel universe but I'm pretty neutral on Booker, I don't really give enough of a poo poo about him to have some elaborate whine based conspiracy to support him.
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GlyphGryph posted:I'm not buying it, even the way you're warping it, in a world where Nixon got to be President. jesus
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Pretty cool how the fate of the entire world now hinges on what kind of opposition the crippled "left" wing of the United States can put against in the next 4 years against the likes of Exxon Mobil executives in charge of the State Department, Rick Perry in charge of the Dept. of Energy, etc....
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GlyphGryph posted:I'm not buying it, even the way you're warping it, in a world where Nixon got to be President. nixon was unique in a lot of ways
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paranoid randroid posted:if ur attempting to organize within the party and go around assuming that enemies constantly surround you and your prima facie is that betrayal is inevitable, ur never going to accomplish anything and will probably only succeed in marginalizing yourself But enough about the Hillary campaign...
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GlyphGryph posted:How does it sabotage our ability to accomplish, that's a weird assertation considering the conclusion to "assuming support from moderates (as if) are insincere and cynical" should be "so keep fighting, keep working on gaining power you can leverage, keep an eye on them and hold them accountable, and if you get a leadership role then try your best to lead the party to victory". sabotage implies malice, cunning, and forethought on behalf of the left the left is going to see moderate support, assume its insincere and cynical because reasons, and go bungle the gently caress out of it with identity politics while the centrist wing discredits them and proposes republican-lite you don't accuse the keystone kops of sabotage, you accuse them of being incompetent GlyphGryph posted:I'm not buying it, even the way you're warping it, in a world where Nixon got to be President. nixon didn't fundamentally change the party until he was already in power and his policy shifts weren't going to kill the goose that lays the golden parachutes
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Tatum Girlparts posted:I mean, I'm not gonna sign some blood oath to agree with every criticism you have about him in this parallel universe but I'm pretty neutral on Booker, I don't really give enough of a poo poo about him to have some elaborate whine based conspiracy to support him. Hahahahahah. It's not a loving conspiracy you dingbat, but you've convinced me it's absolutely true.
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RENEGADE CUCKSKY posted:gonna lol when Ellison gets elected DNC chair and the Dems still get murdered in 2018 Looking at the senate seats that are up, that's inevitable.
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people will totally whine about criticisms of Perez if he becomes DNC chair. thats not a conspiracy theory thats just observing recorded history.
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Tight Booty Shorts posted:Pretty cool how the fate of the entire world now hinges on what kind of opposition the crippled "left" wing of the United States can put against in the next 4 years against the likes of Exxon Mobil executives in charge of the State Department, Rick Perry in charge of the Dept. of Energy, etc.... lmao yeah we're pretty screwed, but since when has that not been true? the neolithic?
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GlyphGryph posted:Hahahahahah. im not crazy, everyone around me MADE me crazy!!!!!!
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redneck nazgul posted:the left is going to see moderate support, assume its insincere and cynical because reasons, and go bungle the gently caress out of it with identity politics while the centrist wing discredits them and proposes republican-lite 
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paranoid randroid posted:nixon was unique in a lot of ways more progressive than fdr and johnson combined, i heard. did you know he created the epa, the wpa, and the ccc????
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redneck nazgul posted:nixon didn't fundamentally change the party until he was already in power and his policy shifts weren't going to kill the goose that lays the golden parachutes I was just referring to the bit about thinking you couldn't trust lots of people somehow marginalizing you in politics.
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