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Cojawfee posted:They only have one gun and it's banned. I love how Odo only knew how a bullet wound would look forensically because someone loaned him a trash detective novel.
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When did Romulans get their really pronounced forehead ridges? I guess TNG. I really prefer them looking much closer to Vulcans. Really though I just prefer this:  Also I'm really a sucker for any scify that has decent skylines/landscapes/MAGNIFICENT CITIES. I'm enjoying this romulan drone episode just because they went to the trouble of having a nice little romulan skyline out the window. It's so rare to get big open shots in scify, it's always cramped ships or stations or cave planets. I understand the budget/effects/sets reasons but drat give me some big public squares in some futuristic mega city once in a while, or more establishing shots and windows with cool views. Baronjutter fucked around with this message at 07:08 on Dec 22, 2016 |
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Dec 22, 2016 07:04
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Star Trek Beyond did a good job with the future city thing.
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Kegslayer posted:I got hooked from a mate showing me 'The Visitor' and spent the last 10 months slowly through DS9. The original series is amazing and only the poo poo episodes feel like slogs. You can get an episode guide, but really it's pretty easy to spot the crap episodes in Star Trek because they usually have poo poo all actually happen in the first five minutes, whereas almost all of the classic episodes get the plot moving ASAP. TOS is a little tricky because they liked to have a redshirt die or whatever early on to make you think an otherwise dull episode was exciting, but it's fairly transparent when they're doing this and my advice is to just watch random episodes (there's barely any continuity, but it is good to start with the first season and go on from there because the character dynamics do change a bit) and if an episode has a boring start, just skip it. Also don't try watching the third season until you're hooked on the show. It's mostly poo poo because they had no budget. FWIW, the slow start=bad episode rule works even better for TNG and Voyager, so start noticing if they start on the planet or on the way to the planet and you can save yourself a lot of pain. Other bad episode red flags: the ship's latest visitor is a girl, bad actors (especially kids), you're ten minutes in and they haven't left the ship yet (Balance of Terror and Corbomite Maneuver are exceptions), the script is "off" (dialog is stiff, characters don't sound like themselves, the technobabble is blatantly nonsensical, etc.), prime directive/non-interference hand wringing, bullshit space magic (it's like alcohol, but also affects robots!), and, of course, gratuitous staff meetings (especially in TNG). e: 8one6 posted:I love how Odo only knew how a bullet wound would look forensically because someone loaned him a trash detective novel. It was powder burns, iirc. Baronjutter posted:When did Romulans get their really pronounced forehead ridges? I guess TNG. I really prefer them looking much closer to Vulcans. Yeah, the forehead ridges were a TNG thing and never made sense. TNG only had Vulcans in a few episodes though, so at least it wasn't too jarring (except in Reunification), but I really hate the Berman era makeup teams' lazy overuse of huge latex forehead ridges for half their aliens. Nu-Trek toned the ridges way down and I think it works better. Also, I echo the love for TOS' serious matte painting game. The burned out colony in Arena is incredible. Duckbox fucked around with this message at 08:50 on Dec 22, 2016 |
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Baronjutter posted:When did Romulans get their really pronounced forehead ridges? I guess TNG. I really prefer them looking much closer to Vulcans. If you want magnificent cities, have I got a Voyager episode for you.
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Baronjutter posted:When did Romulans get their really pronounced forehead ridges? I guess TNG. I really prefer them looking much closer to Vulcans. I really wish they would let Vulcan and Romulan women have long hair again. T'Pol looked so much better with the long hair in the mirror episode. And I don't mean more attractive, I mean not dopey.
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cenotaph posted:I really wish they would let Vulcan and Romulan women have long hair again. T'Pol looked so much better with the long hair in the mirror episode. And I don't mean more attractive, I mean not dopey. NO EVERYBODY MUST HAVE A SPOCK HAIRCUT SO WE KNOW THEY ARE VULCAN (some producer, probably)
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Sub commander Spack, this is commander Spork. In this mission, you will take Spick, Spank, and Sponk to the romulan neutral zone.
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cenotaph posted:I really wish they would let Vulcan and Romulan women have long hair again. T'Pol looked so much better with the long hair in the mirror episode. And I don't mean more attractive, I mean not dopey. Well, it's only logical I should have a utilitarian haircut, I am an enlightened, practical individual with no desire to indulge my vanity or attract a mate outside my species, let alone procreate more than once a decade. *Squeezes her D-cups into a skin suit, slaps on her lipstick and heels, and struts her fine rear end up to the bridge*
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Vulcanians should just all be bald. Hair is illogical.
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Man, if I took a drink every time this happened in The Fifty Year Mission, I'd be dead: Writer: Gene was an rear end. Producer: Gene was an rear end, and personally screwed me over. Another Writer: Gene was super nice to me, but you didn't work there and not see him being an rear end and screwing people over. Rod: I don't understand why everyone says my dad was an rear end.
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Considering it was his father Rod has a more nuanced view of his dad than most people would of theirs.
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In book 2 it's basically the same but with Rick. Except it's more Writer: Don't get me wrong, I think rick had a passion for trek and saw him self as a sort of guardian of it, but he shot down so many interesting stories and plots that it could be infuriating at times. Cast Member: I had this great scene they wrote for me, but rick vetoed it because he said the scene wasn't proper trek or something, I was pretty upset but I guess his heart was in the right place? Guest Writer: Rick wasn't all bad, but it was weird that he hired us to write something fresh and new and then would shut down everything because it wasn't exactly like TNG. Producer: Everyone hated this thing rick did, everyone, but he wouldn't budge and it got ugly, but uhh, he wasn't all bad really. RICK Berman: DS9 isn't real trek and I'm sort of ashamed it got made under my watch by these terrible people who wanted to pervert trek with imperfect characters and non-white leading men! The enterprise theme is fantastic! I'm the only one who gets it!
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My favorite Roddenberry personality quirk described in that book was his weird "been in LA too long" view on sex and sexuality.
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Baronjutter posted:RICK Berman: DS9 isn't real trek and I'm sort of ashamed it got made under my watch by these terrible people who wanted to pervert trek with imperfect characters and non-white leading men! The enterprise theme is fantastic! I'm the only one who gets it! I really enjoyed interviews while Entperprise was on the air when fans were begging him to change the theme, and he would basically say "Yeah, well even thought it's hugely unpopular I think it's kind of nice so I'm keeping it."
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"Mr. Berman, what do you say to these fans who don't like the Enterprise theme?" "Yeah well you know what? It's been a long road getting from there to here. It's been a long time, but my time is finally here. I WILL see my dreams come alive at night. I can touch the sky. And they're not going to hold me down no more. They are NOT going to change my mind. Because I've got faith of the heart." - Rick Berman.
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Cojawfee posted:"Mr. Berman, what do you say to these fans who don't like the Enterprise theme?" You Gotta Have Faith
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Drink-Mix Man posted:You Gotta Have Faith Baaaaaaaaaaby, I know you're asking me to stay Oh wait wrong song. It really does sound like almost everyone who is in charge of Trek at some point goes mad with power and wants everything to conform to an specific, and very personal vision. That's probably why pop culture that appears in Trek shows tend to be weirdly outdated and not exactly what it's target audience would identify with. I guess it could be what the writers thought was high culture and classy, but it still comes off as weird. Though also most classical music and Irving Berlin are public domain now.
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I'm maybe halfway into the first 25-year book and I gotta say, don't get it in audiobook format.
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twistedmentat posted:That's probably why pop culture that appears in Trek shows tend to be weirdly outdated and not exactly what it's target audience would identify with. I guess it could be what the writers thought was high culture and classy, but it still comes off as weird. Though also most classical music and Irving Berlin are public domain now. Did Trek ever show any kind of "modern" (again, for their time) entertainment? The only thing I can think of is Klingon opera. Which I assume is recent, but could just be as much of a throwback for Klingon culture as everything human was. E: I guess there's also Quark's sex programs. Lord Hydronium fucked around with this message at 20:07 on Dec 22, 2016 |
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Lord Hydronium posted:I'm reading the latest Expanse book, and one of the neat world-building things is characters talking about and listening to contemporary (for their time) music and entertainment. It's nice to see pop culture that isn't centuries ancient for its environment. Voyager had 'Photons be free' The Doctor's holonovel. And the red disc VR game Wesley has to save the day from in TNG 
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I think it's really hard to depict future culture and music and fashion well. They either play it safe by having it some how closely mirror what's in style today, which results in those futures looking extremely dated. Or they come up with something actually legitimately different and weird because poo poo is 200 years in the future, and then viewers bitch about how the hair and fashion is so dumb and weird. Or they go the trek route and just pretend culture doesn't even exist. The civilian fashion gives it away. Early TNG civilian poo poo is 80's as gently caress. Nelix's patterns and colours are 90's as gently caress. DS9 does a better job at not dating its self though, so cudos to ds9 as always. In my mind good scify should be very hard to place when it was made beyond the effects quality. I think DS9 pulls this off the best of any trek, mostly by having it filled with alien fashion rather than human. Jake rocks some good outfits too. Baronjutter fucked around with this message at 20:39 on Dec 22, 2016 |
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Baronjutter posted:I think it's really hard to depict future culture and music and fashion well. They either play it safe by having it some how closely mirror what's in style today, which results in those futures looking extremely dated. Or they come up with something actually legitimately different and weird because poo poo is 200 years in the future, and then viewers bitch about how the hair and fashion is so dumb and weird. Or they go the trek route and just pretend culture doesn't even exist. I thought Hunger Games did a pretty good job of inventing a different and weird fashion sense that seems plausible.
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Eh, Babylon 5 did this right, I'd argue. They had the human characters love a form of humor that the audience wouldn't get, on the basis that of course you wouldn't get it. You're siding with the aliens going  over zooty-zoot-zoots and stuff.
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MisterBibs posted:Eh, Babylon 5 did this right, I'd argue. They had the human characters love a form of humor that the audience wouldn't get, on the basis that of course you wouldn't get it. You're siding with the aliens going Though at the same time it punted on most of the rest of culture and just made it the same thing as present-day, with Daffy Duck and sports on TV and reading newspapers and so on. It kind of copped an attitude about it, like "Yeah it's the future, and we still have money and we still use imperial units and use Earth time zones, wanna fight about it?  "
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Zore posted:Voyager had 'Photons be free' The Doctor's holonovel. And don't forget Anbo-jyutsu, the ultimate evolution of the martial arts!®  I will never tire of this image.
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Lord Hydronium posted:Did Trek ever show any kind of "modern" (again, for their time) entertainment? The play Riker is acting in (in Frame of Mind) appears to not be an old play but something we can assume was relatively recent. Doggles posted:And don't forget Anbo-jyutsu, the ultimate evolution of the martial arts!® Also there's that other Holodeck game that Picard and Guinan play.
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Data Graham posted:Though at the same time it punted on most of the rest of culture and just made it the same thing as present-day, with Daffy Duck and sports on TV and reading newspapers and so on. It kind of copped an attitude about it, like "Yeah it's the future, and we still have money and we still use imperial units and use Earth time zones, wanna fight about it? 
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We get a few bits of info about Parrises Squares, too.
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Pakled posted:We get a few bits of info about Parrises Squares, too. I know it was intentionally obscured, but part of me really wanted a concrete answer to what the gently caress that game was. Not just to cross ts and dot is, but we got just enough that I never figured out how the crumbs we knew connected together to form a game that folks regularly treated as dangerous.
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MisterBibs posted:I know it was intentionally obscured, but part of me really wanted a concrete answer to what the gently caress that game was. Not just to cross ts and dot is, but we got just enough that I never figured out how the crumbs we knew connected together to form a game that folks regularly treated as dangerous. Just picture it as Future Calvinball.
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Lord Hydronium posted:Did Trek ever show any kind of "modern" (again, for their time) entertainment? Kazon music/goofy fanfare. Data's original poetry.
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They had that Bajoran guy who played the theme song in Quark's once.
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WampaLord posted:The play Riker is acting in (in Frame of Mind) appears to not be an old play but something we can assume was relatively recent. If we're counting games, Dabo?
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Lord Hydronium posted:I'm reading the latest Expanse book, and one of the neat world-building things is characters talking about and listening to contemporary (for their time) music and entertainment. It's nice to see pop culture that isn't centuries ancient for its environment. Q Junior threw a dank rave in the engine room
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I'm listening to that Bobby Lee podcast episode with Margaret Cho because of the Tilda Swinton feud, and one thing I found amusing is how Cho said she once dated Garrett Wang who "played Sulu from The Next Generation".
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I dropped off some cat food at the no-kill shelter here for their Christmas drive, and I saw the damndest thing.  These cats cannot go back to Cheron, because Cheron was destroyed.  
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Gonz posted:I dropped off some cat food at the no-kill shelter here for their Christmas drive, and I saw the damndest thing. Let That Be Your Last Cattlefield.
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I want those cats. Those are the best cats since all these cats that look like Hitler that are apparently walking around
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