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zen death robot posted:The 80s are back in nuclear arms race form! except trump is racing with nobody to stockpile nukes because he's not allowed to use them
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comedyblissoption posted:i'm still laughing that this was one of the terrible and ineffective slogans they were pushing Neeksy posted:If you were tasked with selling Clinton to the public, there's not much that could be used beyond idpol or a superficial listing of her resume. Charisma and sincerity in the "most progressive platform in history" were out, especially with her touting Kissinger, finance assholes, and Republican endorsements. So it's not surprising the DNC polished that electoral turd with a sweaty desperation that became itself a problem in the eyes of the Democratic constituency. The reason why that "Most Qualified Candidate Ever" horseshit kept getting thrown around was because all the lanyard-wearing technocrats that infest the DNC fundamentally believe that politics is a meritocracy and that the presidential campaign is basically a job interview.
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CrumFUNist! posted:You thought Clinton's "Pokemon Go to the polls" was bad? Kerry would shoehorn in terrible pop culture references to shows like The Sopranos and The OC (this was 2004) in his speeches and it was very obvious he had no idea what those shows were. Also he used Trump's "You're Fired!" from The Apprentice because irony hates us all. Kerry always talked like he never met another human before. My favorite was when he ordered a philly cheesesteak and asked the press not to take photos of him awkwardly trying to eat a commoner's sandwich.
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Reddit's embraced the Democratic party as the true conservative party now, and are pumping Zell Miller for 2018 lol
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Nonsense posted:Reddit's embraced the Democratic party as the true conservative party now, and are pumping Zell Miller for 2018 lol what what
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Nonsense posted:Reddit's embraced the Democratic party as the true conservative party now, and are pumping Zell Miller for 2018 lol armed with what? spitballs?!
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VirtualStranger posted:The reason why that "Most Qualified Candidate Ever" horseshit kept getting thrown around was because all the lanyard-wearing technocrats that infest the DNC fundamentally believe that politics is a meritocracy and that the presidential campaign is basically a job interview. i mean that's what it's ostensibly supposed to be, but certainly is not
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so just to be clear, the Dem political and media establishment are under absolutely no circumstance going to let Ellison be chair, right? I'm paging through think progress and mother jones and there's very little mention of the guy or the race, my guess is editorial is making sure their loving him over gets buriedYinlock posted:i mean that's what it's ostensibly supposed to be, but certainly is not it wasn't supposed to be anything, the founders couldn't agree on how the government should work and this is the compromise we got icantfindaname has issued a correction as of 14:50 on Dec 24, 2016 |
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icantfindaname posted:so just to be clear, the Dem political and media establishment are under absolutely no circumstance going to let Ellison be chair, right? I'm paging through think progress and mother jones and there's very little mention of the guy or the race, my guess is editorial is making sure their loving him over gets buried huffpo is having a televised debate that seems like the opposite of keeping things under wraps but if perez wins at this point... ugh it is not gonna be good for the democrats
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GlyphGryph posted:huffpo is having a televised debate that seems like the opposite of keeping things under wraps I don't read HuffPo but my impression is that in their commitment to producing clickbait they'll say things that other outlets won't? TP and MJ are the two outlets most closely controlled by/closest to the party's official line and they're saying nothing icantfindaname has issued a correction as of 15:27 on Dec 24, 2016 |
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who gives a poo poo who's in charge of the dnc it's like getting invested in who's gonna be the next coach for the cleveland browns
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The Muppets On PCP posted:who gives a poo poo who's in charge of the dnc The coach gets say over whos on the team. The DNC chair doesn't even get that Tbqh the DNC chair is best used for getting people to the polls. however, that must be backed by good and honest policy and rhetoric. nobody wants to turn out for Clinton.
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The Muppets On PCP posted:who gives a poo poo who's in charge of the dnc The chair determines how the party's resources are utilized. If we aren't careful, we could get one who, let's say, siphons most of it off to the presidential campaign at the expense of downticket races.
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Right now the DNC chairmanship is a mostly symbolic response to Clinton's loss. It matters because people care.
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NumberLast posted:Right now the DNC chairmanship is a mostly symbolic response to Clinton's loss. It matters because people care. Whoever becomes DNC chair will be blamed for the inevitable 2018 and 2020 electoral losses, so it's actually a smart move to bury Ellison by having him drink from the poisoned chalice.
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The DNC chair matters because they represent the head of a political network, which is why the Obama/Clinton people want Perez and not Ellison. Ellison is going to favor progressive candidates.
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Horseshoe theory posted:Whoever becomes DNC chair will be blamed for the inevitable 2018 and 2020 electoral losses, so it's actually a smart move to bury Ellison by having him drink from the poisoned chalice. although the 2018 senate map looks pretty bad, i wouldn't be so sure that it will be a poor year for dems under any dnc chair.
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Any good summaries of this Ellision v. Perez business? Also, what the gently caress: 
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https://twitter.com/BernieSanders/status/708481603815677952 *"Bernie would have won" whispers on the wind*
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The Muppets On PCP posted:it's like getting invested in who's gonna be the next coach for the cleveland browns I am very invested in the management of the factory of sadness as I would like production to greatly increase
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Accretionist posted:Any good summaries of this Ellision v. Perez business? A typical day for MIGF.
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CrumFUNist! posted:You thought Clinton's "Pokemon Go to the polls" was bad? Kerry would shoehorn in terrible pop culture references to shows like The Sopranos and The OC (this was 2004) in his speeches and it was very obvious he had no idea what those shows were. Also he used Trump's "You're Fired!" from The Apprentice because irony hates us all. Kerry always talked like he never met another human before. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7MDa2omHT8
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Accretionist posted:Any good summaries of this Ellision v. Perez business? They're both in the running for the next head of the DNC. Perez is favored by Obama and is thus seen as an establishment favorite. Ellison, in addition to having been an early supporter of Bernie Sanders, is one of the most progressive members of Congress, and is thus favored by that group. Setting factional bickering aside, Perez was a great Secretary of Labor but Ellison has been doing ground-level organizational stuff basically his entire career, is extremely popular in his district (where I live), and just basically has both the skill set and the passion to be good at all the stuff a DNC head does. Also MIGF doesn't like him if you needed a further endorsement. e. On the other hand, Ellison recently hinted that Hillary may not actually be a literal skin-suit for Rk'tar the Violator, certain peoples' reactions to which prompted our current thread title.
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If Perez wins, I'm out. I jumped ship from Republicans because I was tired of holding my nose when I went to the voting booth, and I'll be goddamned if the first time I voted in a general as a Democrat I had to hold my nose and vote for Clinton. I have no faith in the current DNC leadership that they can actually provide anything different from the stale, centrist third-way assholes pretending that economic issues don't exist because would it solve racism. They keep acting as if there isn't any alternative, and at the moment there isn't much in that way. But they've shown that they're more than willing to burn the rest of the country down if it means they keep their little clubhouse. TL;dr: Obama bad, Clinton bad, Perez bad by extension, and imma start my own better political party with hookers and blackjack and better meltdowns.
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Gene Hackman Fan posted:If Perez wins, I'm out. I jumped ship from Republicans because I was tired of holding my nose when I went to the voting booth, and I'll be goddamned if the first time I voted in a general as a Democrat I had to hold my nose and vote for Clinton. Same. Ill never vote Dem again if Perez wins.
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Gene Hackman Fan posted:If Perez wins, I'm out. I jumped ship from Republicans because I was tired of holding my nose when I went to the voting booth, and I'll be goddamned if the first time I voted in a general as a Democrat I had to hold my nose and vote for Clinton. http://www.rentistoodamnhigh.org/
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The notion that there was no alternative to the Democratic party was predicated on the idea that they could win elections, and keep Republicans out of the White House.
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Wagesaretoodamnedlow.net
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Phi230 posted:Same. Ill never vote Dem again if Perez wins. You definitely will.
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:The notion that there was no alternative to the Democratic party was predicated on the idea that they could win elections, and keep Republicans out of the White House. All that brand association, infrastructure, and resources just to continually loving lose. Absolutely disgraceful.
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Zoq-Fot-Pik posted:You definitely will. No I actually have a spine and if centrists win this poo poo Im writing in Eugene V. Debs every election till I die
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docbeard posted:They're both in the running for the next head of the DNC. Perez is favored by Obama and is thus seen as an establishment favorite. Ellison, in addition to having been an early supporter of Bernie Sanders, is one of the most progressive members of Congress, and is thus favored by that group. i don't really think the frame of an establishment vs. progressive fight is accurate. if that is the case, then perez has this all locked up - it's a vote by dnc members, and they're the same people who all endorsed hillary overwhelmingly. there is probably more a split on ideological grounds, as i suspect moderate democrats will overwhelmingly support perez, but even that is fairly mixed up and i wouldn't say at the moment that there's really clear battle lines.
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Gene Hackman Fan posted:If Perez wins, I'm out. I jumped ship from Republicans because I was tired of holding my nose when I went to the voting booth, and I'll be goddamned if the first time I voted in a general as a Democrat I had to hold my nose and vote for Clinton. this thread is fascinating
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:The notion that there was no alternative to the Democratic party was predicated on the idea that they could win elections, and keep Republicans out of the White House. "don't vote for ______, you're just throwing it away!" "But I voted for Hillary" "oh"
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The Muppets On PCP posted:who gives a poo poo who's in charge of the dnc thats literally what they thought when DWS was DNC chair~ that turned out so well for em~  Concerned Citizen posted:this thread is fascinating why? it's just a disillusioned voter not really a hard concept because our 2 party system is rear end hows that party loyalty workin out for you? [turns ear towards you and cups it with hand] no? thought so Lastgirl has issued a correction as of 17:35 on Dec 24, 2016 |
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:The notion that there was no alternative to the Democratic party was predicated on the idea that they could win elections, and keep Republicans out of the White House. Nah, it's because under first-past-the-post the plurality takes all so you ultimately whittle down the option to two viable options and a bunch of guys that'll never aggregate a plurality and therefore siphon votes from the big two.
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