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bean_shadow posted:And now Trump will be in charge of that stuff! I think I will learn how to stop worrying and just love the bomb. There are no checks and balances for armageddon. http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/06/2016-donald-trump-nuclear-weapons-missiles-nukes-button-launch-foreign-policy-213955
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I think the generals can outright ignore an illegal order. Actually I think any soldier can ignore an illegal order in the US. We'll need a military goon to confirm, but that's what my military friends have told me.
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Nobody will ever admit to any impediment to the President launching a nuclear attack, because it would damage MAD.
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MAD has already been undermined by Moscow's development of nuclear de-escalation as a tactic.https://www.ft.com/content/03dfeb98-aa88-11e6-9cb3-bb8207902122 posted:Russia’s worries about its conventional weakness during its post-communist 1990s economic slump led it to adopt a concept called “nuclear de-escalation”. This says if Russia faces defeat in a conventional conflict, it might respond with a limited nuclear strike, even with a single weapon. This would aim to shock its opponent — Nato — into backing down, or otherwise risking all-out destruction through nuclear retaliation. Russia has incorporated a limited, knockout, nuclear strike into military exercises since 2000.
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I mean we could just NOT launch nukes at each other yeah?? hahahaha 
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Solice Kirsk posted:I think the generals can outright ignore an illegal order. Actually I think any soldier can ignore an illegal order in the US. We'll need a military goon to confirm, but that's what my military friends have told me. No one in the chain, by design, know if it's a real launch order or a drill.
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I just have this mental image of the secret service guy in charge of the nuclear football that day running full tilt away from a pissed off Trump.
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pienipple posted:I just have this mental image of the secret service guy in charge of the nuclear football that day running full tilt away from a pissed off Trump. As "Yakkety Sax" plays in the background. I am embracing gallows humor as my coping mechanism right now.
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Dec 24, 2016 18:17
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duz posted:No one in the chain, by design, know if it's a real launch order or a drill. Don't the guys who push the literal red button in the launch silos/SSBNs know?
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Does that mean that they've been told to launch before? That must gently caress with your head, knowing you made the decision to go along with it.
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I always assumed that if the president tries to nuke pakistan for no reason, one of his "aides" shoots him.
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LUBE UP YOUR BUTT posted:Don't the guys who push the literal red button in the launch silos/SSBNs know? I thought the drill worked such that you put in the drill-meaning code and then pushed the button. Because of the code you use, pushing the button does nothing. Or maybe plays a sad trombone sound, I suppose.
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Subjunctive posted:I thought the drill worked such that you put in the drill-meaning code and then pushed the button. Because of the code you use, pushing the button does nothing. Or maybe plays a sad trombone sound, I suppose. Yeah, they only know after they press the button, because they don't hear the missile take off. Xibanya posted:Does that mean that they've been told to launch before? That must gently caress with your head, knowing you made the decision to go along with it. They apparently drill twice a day. The goal is that if they have to push the button, it's a reflex, no time to delay as they might not survive long enough. Remember this whole thing was designed under the fear of the USSR and the belief they'd attack us without notice and we'd have to respond in kind.
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duz posted:Yeah, they only know after they press the button, because they don't hear the missile take off.  that would sure as poo poo make me a crazy person. Also not sure if it means anything to atheistgoons but as someone who vaguely attempts to follow the teachings of Jesus, given what he said about how intent to sin is as bad as actually doing that sin jfc, no pun intended
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No no, the intent is to drill, even when you get a live code.
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Danaru posted:The amount of times the earth was nearly destroyed in a nuclear hellfire by accident during the cold war is horrifying and frankly baffling that we're all still alive  would probably be better without that last panel, or with a "christ, what an rear end in a top hat" instead
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It's also fun to explain to people that the plot of Peace Walker nearly happened a bunch of times except instead of someone rigging an AI, it was just human negligence
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Fanky Malloons posted:Forgive me if this got posted already, but I'm pretty sure it didn't. Apparently some burgeoning potential serial killer has been going around mutilating and posing animal corpses in London, ON , and they've been doing so for at least two years. It's extra unnerving to me, because I used to live a couple hours south of there until fairly recently, and have visited London a bunch of times. At least one criminologist believes that London, ON was the per-capita serial killer capital of the world from the end of the 50s through to the mid 80s. Maybe this guy's getting ready to help take the title back.
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Fanky Malloons posted:Forgive me if this got posted already, but I'm pretty sure it didn't. Apparently some burgeoning potential serial killer has been going around mutilating and posing animal corpses in London, ON , and they've been doing so for at least two years. It's extra unnerving to me, because I used to live a couple hours south of there until fairly recently, and have visited London a bunch of times. This reminds me of Dawson Creek, B.C where they found a cat frozen in a block of ice. It's almost certainly deliberate, seeing as it's not the first time an animal had been encased in ice. NSFW
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cloudchamber posted:MAD has already been undermined by Moscow's development of nuclear de-escalation as a tactic. Oh great. If the US and Russia ever get into a light military skirmish and Putin uses a small nuke, Trump will also use one because "gently caress you, i'm trump." To be a fly on the wall to hear Trump and Putin arguing over the Red Phone. "You don't want to see me use another one, Putin. We've got good bombs. Wonderful bombs. People tell me all the time how good our bombs are."
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cloudchamber posted:MAD has already been undermined by Moscow's development of nuclear de-escalation as a tactic. MAD is BAD Bad And Dumb
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"If the president had his way," Kissinger growled to aides more than once, "there would be a nuclear war each week!" This may not have been an idle jest. The CIA's top Vietnam specialist, George Carver, reportedly said that in 1969, when the North Koreans shot down a US spy plane, "Nixon became incensed and ordered a tactical nuclear strike... The Joint Chiefs were alerted and asked to recommend targets, but Kissinger got on the phone to them. They agreed not to do anything until Nixon sobered up in the morning." I guess this is a step removed from demanding the football, but god drat.
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DogonCrook posted:"If the president had his way," Kissinger growled to aides more than once, "there would be a nuclear war each week!" This may not have been an idle jest. The CIA's top Vietnam specialist, George Carver, reportedly said that in 1969, when the North Koreans shot down a US spy plane, "Nixon became incensed and ordered a tactical nuclear strike... The Joint Chiefs were alerted and asked to recommend targets, but Kissinger got on the phone to them. They agreed not to do anything until Nixon sobered up in the morning." I firmly believe Trump will be our most Nixonian President since, well, Nixon. Nixon was off his rocker most of the time. If history is any indication, then Pence will eventually be President because Trump will not be able to stop himself from loving up, like Nixon, even when things are going fine. Merry Christmas! 20 years ago today was the death of JonBenet Ramsey! Newest theory is that her brother killed her accidentally and the parents covered it up. quote:The Case of: JonBenét Ramsey, broadcast on CBS on September 18 and 19, 2016, used a group of experts to evaluate the evidence and asserted that Burke hit his sister in the head with a heavy object, perhaps not intending to kill her. The ransom letter was an attempt to cover up the circumstances of JonBenet's death.[76] The Ramsey family lawyer, L. Lin Wood, threatened to sue CBS for libel (defamation) based on its conclusion that JonBenét was killed by Burke.[77] From the page about the CBS special: quote:The team used modern equipment and an interview with the 911 dispatcher, Kimberly Archuleta, to examine the 911 call and claimed that there were three voices on the tape: Patsy, John and Burke.[2] They believed one of the three voices was a boy.[6] At the end of the call, the 911 dispatcher heard Patsy say "OK, we've called the police, now what?" By slowing down the last six second of the recording of the call, they heard three people talking. Patsy was deemed to have said "What did you do?" and "Help me, Jesus." John saying "We're not speaking to you." A child, likely Burke, saying "What did you find?"[4] The Ramseys had claimed that Burke was asleep during the time that the 911 call was made.[2] So why did Burke kill his sister? Pineapple. Seriously. quote:The Daily Mail Australia reported that, according to Jim Clemente, JonBenét 's nine-year-old brother Burke had a "history of scatological problems". Investigators claimed that Burke had covered his sister's walls and her Christmas present with feces, which was found when her room was sealed off and examined as a crime scene. The team speculate that Burke had become angry when JonBenét took a piece of pineapple, which angered her brother, in the middle of the night. They further contend that their parents, John and Patsy Ramsey, then covered up the reason for the death of their daughter.[2][b] It was a chilling case and rather sad, and aggravating how much the Boulder police just hosed everything up from the start.
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Chromatic posted:Oh great. If the US and Russia ever get into a light military skirmish and Putin uses a small nuke, i dont know how to tell you this man but there's no scenario on earth, under any president, in which any armed conflict between the US and Russia remains limited to 'a light military skirmish', let alone after the deployment of 'a small nuke' (lmao) turkey and isis have 'light military skirmishes'. the US and Russia have global nuclear conflicts. quote:Trump will also use one because "gently caress you, i'm trump." i wish i had the kind of magical thinking necessary to believe that clinton would not respond to the deployment of 'a small nuke' on american soil with, i guess peace overtures? instead of 'a barrage of large nukes' chernobyl kinsman has a new favorite as of 17:13 on Dec 25, 2016 |
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Friend of mine at work said the election was largely going to determine whether we were Russia's enemies during WW3 or their allies during WW3.
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bean_shadow posted:I firmly believe Trump will be our most Nixonian President since, well, Nixon. Nixon was off his rocker most of the time. If history is any indication, then Pence will eventually be President because Trump will not be able to stop himself from loving up, like Nixon, even when things are going fine. I literally just read The Cases That Haunt Us which goes into as much detail as an educated outsider can when it comes to this case. It's from before the CBS special, but John Douglas made no mention of feces in the room. He was asked by the Ramsey's lawyers to provide his opinion which included interviewing the Ramseys several times and interviewing them both separately and together. He came to the conclusion that the family had absolutely nothing to do with what happened to JonBenet. It's a good read!
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moonsour posted:I literally just read The Cases That Haunt Us which goes into as much detail as an educated outsider can when it comes to this case. It's from before the CBS special, but John Douglas made no mention of feces in the room. He was asked by the Ramsey's lawyers to provide his opinion which included interviewing the Ramseys several times and interviewing them both separately and together. He came to the conclusion that the family had absolutely nothing to do with what happened to JonBenet. It's a good read! Yeah, I remember that. He said it was much more likely it was from a break in, possibly one of the father's disgruntled employees. And yes, as far as I can recall, the DNA found didn't match anybody.
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Varkk posted:Wasn't there some DNA found on her body which did not come from a family member? There has been no one linked to that DNA so far. The CBS special said that outside DNA (meaning not from a family member) could have been transferred when the panties were made and packaged. Similar, I read a book years ago about the Lindbergh Baby Kidnapping that theorized that Charles Jr. wasn't kidnapped but accidentally killed by his father and covered up. I'm not sure I believe Hauptmann did it, but he knew about it and was given a very raw deal because of the sensationalism of the case and anti-German attitudes of the time. Either way, Anthony Hopkins did a pretty good job playing Hauptmann in the made-for-tv movie about the case in the late 1970s. bean_shadow has a new favorite as of 23:42 on Dec 25, 2016 |
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No one will ever know who did these crimes but plausible deniability means we shouldn't consider anyone merely possible to be guilty.
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bean_shadow posted:The CBS special said that outside DNA (meaning not from a family member) could have been transferred when the panties were made and packaged. That seems really unlikely. If this were a thing, I think it would have shown up as plot device in one of the MANY procedurals on TV or on any one of the almost as numerous true-crime shows. I mean, I'd love to be proven wrong because it's just such a bizarre thing, but I am highly skeptical that this is the case.
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flosofl posted:That seems really unlikely. If this were a thing, I think it would have shown up as plot device in one of the MANY procedurals on TV or on any one of the almost as numerous true-crime shows. It came up earlier in the thread, I think, but https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phantom_of_Heilbronn For a decade and a half, police in Europe try to track a mysterious female serial killer whose DNA appears at a wide array of sites...until they also discover the same DNA trying to identify the body of a burn victim. They then, apparently, track down the contamination to a single factory manufacturing most of the cotton swabs they use. The swabs are technically sterile, but still ended up with small traces of DNA contamination. This didn't come out until 2009, after many years of this going on.
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Shady Amish Terror posted:It came up earlier in the thread, I think, but https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phantom_of_Heilbronn OK, I actually *do* remember reading about that at the time. I will accede that's it's possible, but I still think in this case it's wildly unlikely. Once it's washed for the 1st time, I don't think any trace from the factory would remain. And I don't know about anyone else, but one of the first things I do after buying clothes is run them through a quick wash. But ultimately, the whole thing was doomed thanks to an incompetent and flawed investigation from the start. Barring a confession, I don't think we'll ever get anything more than speculation.
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flosofl posted:OK, I actually *do* remember reading about that at the time. I don't think they washed the q-tips before using them. Are you reading this right? It isn't the same cotton clothes with the DNA, it's the swabs used to collect samples.
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The Fuzzy Hulk posted:I don't think they washed the q-tips before using them. Are you reading this right? It isn't the same cotton clothes with the DNA, it's the swabs used to collect samples. Oh, Jesus I'm an idiot. Shutting up now.
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bean_shadow posted:I firmly believe Trump will be our most Nixonian President since, well, Nixon. Nixon was off his rocker most of the time. If history is any indication, then Pence will eventually be President because Trump will not be able to stop himself from loving up, like Nixon, even when things are going fine. Politics has changed in forty years. These days, a president would have to do something far worse than orchestrate/cover a burglary to face impeachment.
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flosofl posted:That seems really unlikely. If this were a thing, I think it would have shown up as plot device in one of the MANY procedurals on TV or on any one of the almost as numerous true-crime shows. Ah yes, procedurals and true-crime shows. The authoritative and informed final word on any thing vaguely relating to criminal law, forensics, science and procedure.
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flosofl posted:OK, I actually *do* remember reading about that at the time. The underpants had never been washed. They had been purchased as a gift for a cousin, and the others from the set were still in the packaging. Re: the Lindbergh kidnapping, this book makes a very cogent case that Hauptmann was involved, but was only one of several people involved, and that he was not the originator of the plan. AlbieQuirky has a new favorite as of 14:43 on Dec 26, 2016 |
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Whitlam posted:Ah yes, procedurals and true-crime shows. The authoritative and informed final word on any thing vaguely relating to criminal law, forensics, science and procedure. The implication is that it's surprising that even the reaching, conspiracy-minded writing on those shows hasn't floated the idea, which I agree is mildly surprising. Given how much it stumped investigators in the real-world scenario we know of for pre-contaminated DNA testing, and for how long, it's probably reasonable that the public consciousness and conspiracy theorists haven't been batting the idea around much. Note that I don't mean to imply it isn't a valid theory when I point out conspiracy theorists there; it's just that the details of the case as they are known don't really lend themselves to further insight or exploring theories like that, and short of the guilty party (if any?) supplying a very detailed, verifiable confession, I doubt the case will ever be solved at this point.
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Shady Amish Terror posted:The implication is that it's surprising that even the reaching, conspiracy-minded writing on those shows hasn't floated the idea, which I agree is mildly surprising. Given how much it stumped investigators in the real-world scenario we know of for pre-contaminated DNA testing, and for how long, it's probably reasonable that the public consciousness and conspiracy theorists haven't been batting the idea around much. Fair enough, and I do take the point, but there are a lot of crime shows, and I'm sure at least one has done it at least once. I've definitely read crime thrillers where it's been a plot device/red herring so maybe it's just more common in books.  For what it's worth, I agree that the case will probably never be officially 100% conclusively solved, but I also think the immediate family probably knows what happened, and will take the secret to their graves. Well, those who are still alive. We can all agree that child beauty pageants where the five year olds are wearing more make-up than most people do in a month and are dressed in bikinis or whatever are unnerving though, right?
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